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I'm also navigating this same situation as a divorced woman trying to figure out retirement planning! Reading through everyone's experiences has been so helpful. One thing I learned recently that might be useful - if you're worried about the phone wait times with SSA, you can also try calling first thing in the morning (like right at 8 AM when they open) or later in the month rather than right after people get their benefits. I finally got through after trying this approach and the representative was incredibly helpful in explaining my options. Also, since you mentioned being stressed about making ends meet, don't forget to look into whether you might qualify for SNAP benefits or other assistance programs once you do start receiving Social Security. Every bit helps when you're rebuilding financial security later in life. The fact that you're asking these questions now at 60 shows you're being smart about planning ahead - you've got this!

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Thank you for the tip about calling timing! I'll definitely try the early morning approach - that's such a practical suggestion. And you're absolutely right about looking into other assistance programs. I think when you're dealing with divorce and starting over financially, it's easy to feel like you should be able to handle everything on your own, but there's no shame in using available resources to help bridge the gap. I really appreciate the encouragement - sometimes it feels like everyone else has their retirement figured out and I'm just scrambling to catch up. But reading all these responses has shown me I'm definitely not alone in this situation, and there are more options available than I initially thought!

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I'm so glad you posted this question because I'm in almost the exact same boat - divorced after a long marriage with limited work history and feeling completely overwhelmed by Social Security planning! Reading through all these responses has been incredibly educational. One thing that really stands out to me is how many people confirmed that the old "file and switch" strategy is no longer available, but also that your ex taking benefits early doesn't hurt your potential benefit at all. That's huge relief! From everything I'm reading here, it sounds like your best bet is to get those concrete numbers from SSA comparing what you'd receive at different ages. Whether you use one of those callback services people mentioned or brave the phone lines, having real dollar amounts instead of just estimates will probably make this decision so much clearer. Also, don't underestimate the value of those two years you have left to work - every bit of additional earnings can help boost your own benefit calculation. You're definitely not alone in feeling like you're playing catch-up on retirement planning. Wishing you the best as you figure this out!

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Thank you so much for posting - it really does help to know there are others going through this exact situation! I've been feeling so isolated trying to figure all this out on my own. You're absolutely right about getting those concrete numbers being the key. I think I've been avoiding it because I'm scared of what I might find out, but uncertainty is probably worse than knowing the reality. I'm definitely going to try calling SSA early in the morning like someone suggested, and if that doesn't work, maybe try one of those callback services. The reassurance that my ex taking his benefits early doesn't hurt me has been huge - I was really worried about that! And yes, I'm trying to stay motivated about these next two working years making a difference. Every little bit helps when you're starting from such a limited work history. Thanks for the encouragement and solidarity!

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After you get those extra credits, ask SSA for a benefit verification letter that shows both amounts - what you'd get on your own record and what you get as an ex-spouse. That way you can make an informed decision about which is better. Sometimes the difference is smaller than people expect.

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good advice!! that's exactly what i did. turns out my own benefit will be about $180 more per month than the ex-spouse benefit once i hit my 40 credits. worth the switch for sure!

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Just wanted to add another perspective here - I'm a retired SSA claims specialist and your strategy is absolutely valid. What you're describing is sometimes called "restricted application" or "file and switch" strategy, though those terms are more commonly used for other scenarios. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you should also consider survivor benefits down the line. If your ex-spouse passes away before you do, you could potentially switch to survivor benefits (which can be up to 100% of his benefit amount) rather than your own retirement benefit, if that would be higher. Also, when you do go back to work, make sure your employer is reporting your earnings correctly to SSA. You can check this annually by creating a my Social Security account online and reviewing your earnings record. Any errors should be corrected as soon as possible since they become harder to fix after 3 years. Good luck with your application - you're making a smart financial move given your circumstances!

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Thank you so much for this professional insight! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who worked at SSA that this strategy makes sense. I hadn't even thought about the potential survivor benefits aspect - that's definitely something to keep in mind for the future. I'll make sure to set up that my Social Security account to monitor my earnings record once I start working again. Question - when you say errors become harder to fix after 3 years, does that mean impossible or just more paperwork involved? I want to make sure I'm staying on top of everything from the start. Also, do you happen to know if there are any red flags or common mistakes people make when applying for ex-spouse benefits that I should watch out for?

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As a newcomer to this community, I want to thank everyone for this incredibly detailed and helpful discussion! I'm 64 and recently divorced after 22 years of marriage, so I'm right in the middle of making these exact decisions myself. Reading through all these experiences has been both educational and sobering. The stories about the 2016 deemed filing rule changes really highlight how much the Social Security landscape has shifted - it's clear that many of the old strategies people used to rely on simply don't work anymore. @Madison Tipne, after reading everything here, I'd strongly echo what others have said about taking your time with this decision. The stories from @Kyle Wallace and others about getting stuck with permanently reduced benefits due to incorrect advice from SSA reps are genuinely frightening. It really shows how critical it is to get everything in writing and possibly seek professional guidance. One thing I've learned from my own research that might help - when you do schedule that SSA appointment, ask them to show you the specific regulation numbers for anything they tell you. I've found that asking for the actual rule references helps ensure you're getting accurate information and gives you something to verify independently later. The break-even analysis suggestion from @Natalie Chen is excellent too. In my case, I calculated that waiting until my FRA would mean about 14 years to break even, but given my family's longevity history, the math clearly favors patience. Thank you to everyone for sharing your experiences so openly - this thread should definitely be bookmarked by anyone facing these complex Social Security decisions!

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Welcome to the community, @Ian Armstrong! As another newcomer who's been learning so much from this discussion, your suggestion about asking for specific regulation numbers is brilliant - I hadn't thought of that approach but it makes perfect sense given all the stories about incorrect verbal advice. Your break-even analysis is really helpful too. It's encouraging to see someone actually work through the math and reach a clear conclusion based on their specific situation and family history. That kind of concrete example really helps the rest of us understand how to approach these calculations. @Madison Tipne, seeing @Ian Armstrong s'systematic approach - asking for regulation numbers, running detailed break-even analyses, considering family longevity patterns - really reinforces all the advice that s'been shared throughout this thread. The consensus from both experienced members and newcomers like us is remarkably consistent: this decision is too important and too permanent to rush through without careful research and documentation. What I find most valuable about this entire discussion is how it s'shown that while the rules are complex, there are concrete steps we can take to make informed decisions. The collective wisdom here - from the cautionary tales to the practical strategies - has given me a clear roadmap for when I face similar decisions in a few years. Thank you to everyone who s'contributed to making this such an invaluable resource!

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As a newcomer to this community, I want to thank everyone for this incredibly comprehensive and enlightening discussion! I'm 58 and going through a divorce after 16 years of marriage, so I'll be facing these exact same decisions in a few years. What really stands out to me from reading all these experiences is how dramatically the 2016 deemed filing rule changes affected Social Security strategy, yet there's still so much confusion - even among SSA representatives themselves. The personal stories from @Kyle Wallace and others about getting permanently stuck with reduced benefits due to incorrect advice are genuinely alarming and really emphasize why this decision requires such careful research and documentation. @Madison Tipne, the collective wisdom from both experienced members and fellow newcomers seems overwhelmingly clear: take your time, get all benefit estimates in writing from SSA, run detailed break-even calculations considering your family's longevity history, document every interaction with SSA representatives, and seriously consider investing in a qualified Social Security claiming strategist given the potentially life-changing financial implications. The "practice run" suggestion with the online application is fantastic - I had no idea SSA offered that option to see actual benefit amounts before committing. @Ian Armstrong's tip about asking for specific regulation numbers is also brilliant for ensuring you get accurate information. For other newcomers following this thread, the key lessons seem to be: 1) The 2016 deemed filing rules eliminated the ability to switch strategies after filing, 2) Early filing reductions are permanent, 3) Never rely solely on verbal advice from SSA without written confirmation, 4) Professional consultation may be worth the cost given what's at stake financially, and 5) This decision requires careful consideration of health, longevity expectations, current financial needs, and personal risk tolerance. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences so openly and honestly - both the successes and the cautionary tales. This discussion has become an invaluable resource that should help many people navigate these complex and consequential decisions with greater confidence!

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Welcome to the community, @Romeo Quest! As another newcomer who's been following this incredibly informative discussion, I'm amazed at how much valuable insight has been shared here. I'm 55 and anticipating my own divorce proceedings after 14 years of marriage, so I'm trying to educate myself early about these Social Security decisions I'll eventually face. What strikes me most about this entire thread is the consistent message from both experienced members and newcomers about how irreversible these decisions have become since 2016. The stories from @Kyle Wallace and others about getting permanently locked into reduced benefits due to misinformation are truly sobering and have convinced me that when my time comes, I ll'definitely be investing in professional guidance and getting absolutely everything documented in writing. @Madison Tipne, I hope seeing this outpouring of support and advice from the community - with so many people sharing similar situations and concerns - has been helpful rather than overwhelming! The remarkable consistency in everyone s'recommendations really speaks to the importance of approaching this decision methodically and patiently. One thing I m'curious about that I haven t'seen mentioned - are there any online resources or calculators that people have found particularly reliable for running these break-even analyses? As someone trying to prepare for future decisions, I d'love to start familiarizing myself with tools that could help model different scenarios when the time comes. Thank you to everyone who s'made this such an educational discussion. This thread should definitely be required reading for anyone approaching these complex Social Security decisions!

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Thanks everyone for all the detailed explanations! This has been incredibly helpful. I was really stressed about accidentally going over some limit and losing benefits, but it sounds like I'm completely in the clear now that I've passed my FRA month in April. My HR department was definitely giving me wrong information - they kept saying I'd be penalized for the entire year if I earned too much at any point. It's frustrating how many people don't understand these rules! I feel much more confident now about my earnings for the rest of the year. Really appreciate this community for breaking it down so clearly.

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I'm so glad you found this helpful! As someone new to navigating Social Security rules, I found this thread incredibly informative too. It's really concerning how many HR departments seem to misunderstand these earnings test rules - you're definitely not alone in getting conflicting information from your workplace versus what SSA actually says. The clarity everyone provided here about the three different phases (before FRA year, FRA year before birthday month, and after FRA month) really helped me understand how this all works. It's such a relief to know that once you hit that FRA month, you're completely free from earnings limits forever!

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This is such valuable information! As someone approaching my own FRA in a few months, I'm bookmarking this entire thread. The three-phase breakdown that Oliver provided is incredibly clear - I had no idea about the different limits and rules for each phase. It's really frustrating how common it seems to be for HR departments to give incorrect information about Social Security earnings rules. I've been getting mixed signals from my own workplace too. One quick question for the group: when they calculate those pre-FRA monthly earnings, do they include things like overtime pay and shift differentials, or just base salary? I work in healthcare and sometimes pick up extra shifts, so I want to make sure I'm calculating everything correctly for my planning.

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Great question about overtime and shift differentials! Yes, SSA includes ALL earned income when calculating against the earnings limit - that means your base salary, overtime pay, shift differentials, bonuses, commissions, and any other compensation for work. They look at your total gross earnings from employment. So when you're planning for those months before your FRA, make sure to factor in all those extra shifts and overtime hours. It sounds like you're being smart to plan ahead - healthcare workers often have variable income that can make this tricky to calculate!

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After reading through this thread, I'd suggest scheduling an appointment at your local SSA office if possible. For complex situations involving survivor benefits and optimal claiming strategies, speaking face-to-face with a claims specialist is often more productive than phone calls. Bring as much documentation as possible: your husband's death certificate, both SSNs, marriage certificate, recent tax returns, and employment information. These appointments can be booked through the SSA website or by phone, though waits for appointments can be 2-3 weeks in some areas.

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That's great advice. I didn't realize I could schedule an in-person appointment. I'll try to do that and gather all those documents you mentioned. Thank you!

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I'm a newcomer here but wanted to share what I learned when I went through this exact situation last year. The strategy your coworker mentioned absolutely works - I started taking my deceased husband's survivor benefits at 62 (with reduction) while continuing to work as a nurse. Yes, some benefits were withheld due to the earnings test, but like others mentioned, you get that back through higher payments once you reach FRA. The key is running the numbers first. I used the my Social Security account online to see my projected benefit at 70, then called SSA (took forever to get through!) to get my survivor benefit amounts. In my case, my own benefit at 70 would be about $2,800/month vs. my husband's unreduced survivor benefit of $2,400/month. So taking the reduced survivor benefit early and switching to my own at 70 made financial sense. Just make sure to keep detailed records of everything - SSA paperwork can get confusing and you want documentation of what they promised you!

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Welcome to the community! Your real-world example is incredibly helpful - it's exactly the kind of specific numbers and experience I was hoping to hear about. The fact that your own benefit at 70 ($2,800) is higher than your husband's unreduced survivor benefit ($2,400) makes the strategy very clear cut. I'm curious - when you called SSA to get the survivor benefit amounts, did they give you both the reduced amount you'd get now and the full amount at FRA? Also, you mentioned keeping detailed records - any specific tips on what documentation to save? I'm feeling much more confident about moving forward with this approach after reading everyone's advice here.

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