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Survivor benefits confusion - Will my wife's SS benefit be reduced even though I'm claiming at 62?

I'm trying to make sense of survivor benefits with early retirement. Here's our situation: I'm planning to claim SS at 62 and expect about $2,800/month (reduced amount). My wife plans to claim at 63 and might get around $1,500/month. After 10 years, with COLA, my benefit could grow to approximately $3,400/month. My question is about what happens if I pass away when we're both in our 70s. Would my wife: 1) Get my FULL $3,400 monthly amount since she'd be past her FRA? 2) Get a REDUCED amount because she initially claimed early at 63? 3) Or would she get a benefit based on my ORIGINAL $2,800 amount rather than the $3,400 it grew to? I've read conflicting information online. Some sources suggest her early claiming would reduce her survivor benefit permanently. Others say the amount would be based on my original benefit, not the COLA-adjusted amount. This is crucial for our retirement planning - need to understand which scenario is correct!

Your wife would get your CURRENT benefit amount at the time of your death (so the $3,400), NOT your original benefit amount. However, since she claimed her own benefit early, there will be a reduction to her survivor benefit. The reduction is based on her age when she becomes eligible for survivor benefits, not when she initially claimed her retirement benefit. It's complicated though - the reduction isn't always straightforward.

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Thanks for the reply. So you're saying even though she'd be well past her FRA when I die (in this scenario), she'd STILL have a reduction because she originally claimed her own benefit early? That doesn't seem right... I thought the reduction only applies if you take survivor benefits before FRA?

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This is a common misconception. Here's the correct information: If your wife is at or past her FRA when she claims survivor benefits, she would receive 100% of your benefit amount at the time of your death (including all COLAs) - so the $3,400 in your example. The fact that she took her OWN retirement benefit early does NOT affect her survivor benefit amount if she's claiming survivor benefits at or after her FRA. The two benefits are calculated separately. The only reduction would be if she claims survivor benefits before her FRA.

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Wait, are you sure about that? I thought there was something called the RIB-LIM rule that could limit survivor benefits if someone took their retirement benefits early? Maybe I'm misunderstanding how it works...

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You're thinking of the RIB-LIM rule (Retirement Insurance Benefit Limitation), but it doesn't apply the way you think. The RIB-LIM only applies if someone is claiming survivor benefits BEFORE their FRA. If a widow/widower waits until their FRA to claim survivor benefits, they get the full amount regardless of when they claimed their own retirement benefit. In this scenario, since the wife would be in her 70s (past FRA) when claiming survivor benefits, she'd get the full $3,400 - not reduced because of her early retirement claim.

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That's a huge relief! So to be 100% clear: If my wife is 70 when I pass away (assuming I'm getting $3,400/month at that point), she'll get the full $3,400 even though she originally claimed her own benefit at 63? And this amount includes all the COLAs that were applied to my benefit over the years?

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Yes, she'll get your full benefit including all COLAs if she's past FRA when you pass away. I just went through this with my mom. One thing to consider though - the month of death is tricky. If you die early in the month, SSA might not pay for that month. Also, there's a one-time death benefit of $255 (ridiculous amount that hasn't changed in forever).

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the $255 death benefit is a JOKE!!! hasn't changed since like the 1950s! won't even cover a fraction of funeral costs. the system is broken!!!

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Max Reyes

i claimed at 62 and my husband at 63 too... what happens with medicare premiums after one person dies? do they take the higher premium out of the survivor benefit? our combined income pushes us into IRMAA brackets but individually we wouldn't be. this stuff is SO complicated!

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Medicare IRMAA is recalculated based on the survivor's tax situation. You can file for an IRMAA redetermination using Form SSA-44 if your income decreases due to a life-changing event like the death of a spouse. So your premium would likely go down if your individual income is lower.

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Your wife's survivor benefit would be based on your benefit amount at the time of your death ($3,400), not your original amount. And since she'd be past her FRA when collecting survivor benefits in your scenario, she'd get the full 100%. There's a lot of confusion about this online, but I've dealt with SSA on this exact situation. By the way, have you tried calling SSA directly for confirmation? If you can't get through (which is super common), check out Claimyr.com - it helped me reach an agent in under 20 minutes after trying for days on my own. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU

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Thanks for confirming! I've tried calling SSA twice and gave up after being on hold forever. Will check out that service if I need to call again. For now, I'm relieved to hear consistent answers about my wife getting the full benefit amount.

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My mom took SS at 62 and dad at 65. When he died at 82 she got his full benefit which had grown with COLAs. No reduction even tho she took her own benefit early. SSA got it right the first time for us but still a stressful process during a hard time.

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Thank you for sharing your real-world experience. That's exactly what I'm hoping will happen in our situation. I appreciate everyone's help clearing this up!

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Max Reyes

Something nobody mentioned - if your wife's own benefit PLUS the spousal top-up is higher than your benefit amount when you die, she might not get the survivor benefit at all since they don't stack. SSA will give her whichever is higher. Just something to consider in your planning.

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That's incorrect. You're confusing spousal benefits with survivor benefits. Spousal benefits max out at 50% of the worker's PIA, while survivor benefits can be up to 100% of the worker's benefit amount including COLAs. In this scenario, the survivor benefit of $3,400 would almost certainly be higher than her own benefit or any spousal top-up.

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Did you know if you die in the first 15 days of the month, your spouse doesn't get your benefit for that month AT ALL? But if you die on the 16th or later, they get to keep your payment for that month. makes NO sense!!! the whole system needs to be simplified!! too many ridiculous rules!!

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Yeah it's rough. My dad passed on the 3rd and mom had to return his payment for that month. Just one more thing to deal with during grief.

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