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Social Security survivor benefits confusion - mother's benefits, student benefits and income limits

Hi everyone, I'm struggling to understand my complicated survivor benefits situation with my kids. My husband passed away several years ago, and we have two children - my oldest just turned 18 last October and is receiving survivor benefits directly until high school graduation this May. My younger child is 13. Currently, the kids split the full 150% family maximum survivor benefit. Social Security told me to apply for "mother's benefits" (I think that's the proper term?) this spring since my 18-year-old graduates soon. They mentioned the same benefit amount would then be split three ways instead of two. Should I apply for this now or wait until closer to graduation? I have so many other questions: 1. Does my 18-year-old need to claim these survivor benefits on her 2024 and 2025 tax returns? 2. About the mother's/caretaker benefits - I work full-time and know earnings over $28,750 reduce benefits $1 for every $2 earned. But is there also a monthly earnings limit? Some people mentioned about $2,470/month but is that just for retirement benefits? 3. My income drops for 2 months during summer but is steady the rest of the year. How do I report these fluctuations to SSA? 4. My employer adds their health insurance premium contributions ($7,500/year) to my W-2 as taxable income. Will SSA count this as "earnings" when calculating benefit reductions even though it's not wages for work I performed? Sorry for the long post! My last attempt calling SSA was a disaster - I had to hang up after waiting 75+ minutes because I couldn't stay on hold while working.

I'm so sorry for your loss and can really empathize with how overwhelming this whole process is. I lost my spouse a few years ago and navigating SSA with two kids was one of the most stressful parts of an already difficult time. A couple of things that helped me that others haven't mentioned: **Local SSA office appointments**: You can actually schedule appointments online at ssa.gov rather than just showing up. This saved me from waiting in long lines and gave me dedicated time with someone who could look at my specific case. **Appeal rights**: If SSA makes any decisions you disagree with (like benefit amounts or eligibility dates), you have 60 days to request reconsideration. I learned this the hard way when they initially calculated my family maximum incorrectly. **State benefits**: Don't forget to check if your state has any additional survivor benefits programs. Some states have small programs that can help with things like college expenses that federal SSA doesn't cover. **Tax planning**: Since you're entering a phase where you'll have benefit income subject to earnings limits, consider meeting with a tax professional who understands SSA benefits. The interplay between benefit reductions and tax implications can be tricky, especially in years where your income fluctuates. You're asking all the right questions and being proactive. That's exactly what your kids need right now. The bureaucracy is frustrating, but you've got this - and this community is here to help when you need it.

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Thank you so much for these additional insights! The online appointment scheduling tip is incredibly helpful - I had no idea that was even an option. I've been dreading the thought of taking time off work just to sit in a waiting room for hours, so being able to schedule a dedicated appointment makes this much more manageable. The point about appeal rights is really important too. It's good to know I have options if something doesn't seem right with their calculations. Given how complex my situation is with the family maximum and earnings limits, I want to make sure everything is calculated correctly. I hadn't thought about checking for state benefits either - that's definitely worth looking into. Every little bit helps, especially with my oldest heading to college soon. Your suggestion about meeting with a tax professional is probably wise. I've been trying to figure out the tax and benefit interactions on my own, but you're right that the interplay can get really complicated, especially with my fluctuating income. It's so reassuring to connect with people who have actually walked this path. When I'm dealing with SSA's phone system or trying to interpret their letters, it sometimes feels like I'm the only person who has ever had to figure this out. Knowing that others have successfully navigated these challenges gives me hope that I can too. Thank you for the encouragement and practical advice!

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Jacob Lee

I'm so sorry for your loss, and I want to commend you for being such a diligent advocate for your children during this difficult time. Navigating survivor benefits is complicated even under the best circumstances. A few additional points that might help: **Retroactive benefits**: When you apply for mother's benefits, SSA can pay up to 6 months of retroactive benefits if you're eligible. So if there's any delay in processing, you won't necessarily lose those months completely. **Direct deposit setup**: Make sure to set up direct deposit for your mother's benefits when you apply. Paper checks can get delayed, and with your work schedule, having reliable electronic payments will be one less thing to worry about. **Annual review process**: Once you're receiving benefits, SSA will send you an annual earnings report form to complete. Keep all your pay stubs and tax documents organized throughout the year - it makes this process much smoother. **College transition planning**: While survivor benefits don't continue for college, there are other financial aid opportunities specifically for children who have lost a parent. Organizations like the Children of Fallen Patriots Foundation and local community foundations sometimes have scholarships available. The system is definitely not intuitive, but you're asking all the right questions and getting good advice from this community. Your persistence in working through these details will pay off for your family in the long run. Don't hesitate to come back here if you run into any issues during the application process!

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This is such comprehensive and practical advice! The retroactive benefits information is especially reassuring - I was worried that any delays in processing might mean losing out on payments completely, so knowing there's a 6-month window helps ease that concern. The direct deposit tip is great too. With everything else I'm juggling, the last thing I need is to worry about whether a check got lost in the mail or delayed. I'll definitely make sure to set that up when I apply. Thank you for mentioning the college scholarship resources! I hadn't heard of the Children of Fallen Patriots Foundation before, and with my oldest graduating soon, exploring these options could really help with college costs. It's good to know there are organizations out there specifically designed to help families in our situation. Your point about keeping organized records for the annual earnings report is well-taken. I've been somewhat haphazard with my paperwork organization, but knowing that I'll need to complete annual reports gives me motivation to get more systematic about it. I really appreciate how supportive this community has been. When I posted this question, I was feeling pretty overwhelmed and frustrated with the whole system. Reading everyone's responses has not only given me practical guidance but also reminded me that I'm not alone in dealing with these challenges. Thank you for the encouragement to come back if I need help - I have a feeling I might need it as I work through the application process!

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Mei Wong

Thanks everyone for all the helpful responses! What a relief to know I have complete flexibility between FRA and 70. I think I'll probably wait at least a year past my FRA since I'm still working, but it's great to know I can claim anytime if circumstances change. Really appreciate all the insights about delayed retirement credits being calculated monthly too - that wasn't clear from what I was reading online.

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Just want to add another perspective as someone who claimed at 67 and 8 months. I originally planned to wait until 70, but my employer offered an early retirement package that was too good to pass up. The flexibility to claim Social Security at exactly the right time for my situation was invaluable. One tip I'd share - when you do decide to claim, apply about 3 months before you want your first payment. There can be processing delays, and you want to make sure everything goes smoothly. Also keep detailed records of when you apply because that date determines your exact benefit calculation with the delayed retirement credits. The monthly calculation really does make a difference. In my case, those extra 20 months of delayed credits added about $280 to my monthly benefit compared to claiming at FRA. Over a lifetime, that's a substantial amount!

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One more thing to consider: if you return to work, especially at a good salary like $55,000, you'll be adding to your lifetime earnings record. Social Security calculates your benefit amount based on your highest 35 years of earnings. If this new job would replace a lower-earning year or a zero in your calculation, you could actually increase your benefit amount going forward, beyond just the adjustment for withheld benefits.

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I hadn't even thought about that aspect! I do have a couple of zero years in my record from when I was raising kids, so this could actually improve my benefit calculation. Sounds like this job might be worth taking even with the temporary reduction. Thank you all for the helpful information!

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Just want to add one practical tip that helped me when I was in a similar situation: consider asking your potential employer if there's any flexibility in when you start or how your compensation is structured. Some employers are willing to delay a start date by a few months if it helps with your Social Security situation, or they might be able to structure part of your compensation as benefits rather than salary (which wouldn't count toward the earnings test). It's worth having that conversation since many employers these days are more understanding about Social Security considerations for older workers. Good luck with whatever you decide!

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That's really smart advice about discussing compensation structure with the employer! I never would have thought to ask about that. Do you know what kinds of benefits wouldn't count toward the earnings limit? Like if they offered more health insurance coverage or retirement contributions instead of straight salary, would that help reduce the amount that gets counted against my Social Security?

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This is such valuable information, thank you for sharing! As someone who recently started receiving Social Security disability benefits, I can absolutely relate to the frustration of getting conflicting information from different representatives. What really helped me was keeping a detailed log of every conversation - date, time, representative's name (when they'd give it), and exactly what was discussed. I also started asking representatives to email me a summary of what we discussed, which many were willing to do through the secure messaging system. One thing I learned is that you can also request to speak with a "Technical Expert" if you're dealing with complex eligibility questions. These are typically more experienced staff who specialize in specific benefit programs. It might save others from having to go through multiple representatives like you did. I'm so glad you trusted your instincts and got the correct information! That $14,500 difference really shows how crucial it is to advocate for ourselves, especially during already difficult times. Your experience will definitely help others who read this know they have the right to question information and ask for supervisors when something doesn't sound right.

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Thank you for mentioning the Technical Expert option - I had no idea that was even available! That could have saved me a lot of time and stress. Your advice about keeping detailed logs is spot on too. I wish I had started documenting everything from my very first call instead of just trusting that the information would be accurate. It's really eye-opening to see how many people in this thread have had similar experiences with conflicting information. It makes me wonder how many folks just accept the first answer they get and end up missing out on benefits they've earned. The fact that we even need to become experts on SSA procedures just to get accurate information from their own representatives is pretty concerning, but I'm grateful for communities like this where we can share real experiences and help each other navigate the system.

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This is absolutely infuriating but so important to share! I'm going through something similar right now with my late husband's benefits. The first representative told me I had to choose between my own retirement benefits OR widow's benefits, but couldn't receive both. That didn't sound right to me based on what I'd researched online. When I called back and got a different rep, they explained that I can actually receive widow's benefits now and then switch to my own higher retirement benefits later if they're larger. The difference in my monthly income would be significant! It's scary how confident these representatives sound even when they're completely wrong. I'm learning to always ask "Can you point me to the specific regulation or publication that covers this?" and to request they document their answer in my file. Thank you for encouraging others to push back - it really can make a life-changing financial difference.

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As someone who works in Social Security disability advocacy, I want to emphasize that the automatic recalculation process at FRA is one of the most misunderstood aspects of the system. I've seen countless clients panic when they receive notices about benefit withholdings, thinking they're losing money permanently. The key thing to understand is that this isn't a penalty - it's essentially an involuntary delay of benefits that gets corrected later. The system tracks every dollar withheld and converts it into additional monthly income starting at your FRA. In most cases, if you live to average life expectancy, you'll actually come out slightly ahead due to the compounding effect of the higher monthly payments. One tip I always give clients: keep copies of all your SSA correspondence regarding earnings-related withholdings. While the process is supposed to be automatic, having documentation can be helpful if there are any discrepancies when the recalculation happens. Also, don't hesitate to contact SSA directly if you have questions - they're usually quite helpful in explaining how your specific situation will be handled.

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Thank you for sharing your professional perspective, Aisha! This is exactly the kind of reassurance I needed to hear from someone who works directly with the SSA system. The way you explained it as an "involuntary delay of benefits" rather than a penalty really helps reframe how I'm thinking about this situation. Your advice about keeping documentation is particularly valuable - I've been saving all my SSA letters but wasn't sure if it was necessary. Now I'll definitely make sure to keep everything organized, especially any notices about earnings-related withholdings. I'm curious - in your experience working with clients, do you find that most people who go through this process are satisfied with how the recalculation works out when they reach FRA? And have you seen cases where the automatic system missed something that required manual intervention? Also, when you mention that people "come out slightly ahead" due to the compounding effect - is that because the higher monthly payments continue for life, so the longer someone lives past FRA, the more they benefit from having had those early benefits withheld?

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I'm in almost the exact same situation as the original poster! Started collecting at 62 this past year and just realized I'm going to exceed the earnings limit by quite a bit. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful - especially learning that the recalculation is automatic and that it's not really a "penalty" but more like a delayed benefit. One thing I'm still trying to wrap my head around though is the timing. If I exceed the earnings limit this year (2025) and have benefits withheld, but don't reach my FRA until 2030, will I have to wait all the way until 2030 to see any adjustment? Or does SSA make any interim adjustments along the way? Also, I keep seeing references to keeping documentation, but what exactly should I be saving? Just the SSA letters about withheld benefits, or do I need to track my pay stubs and earnings reports too? I want to make sure I have everything I need in case there are any issues down the road. Thanks to everyone who has shared their experiences - it's made this whole process much less scary!

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Hi Luca! I'm new to this community but have been following this thread closely since I'm in a very similar boat - just started benefits at 62 and trying to figure out all the earnings limit implications. From what I've gathered from everyone's responses, you do have to wait until your FRA (2030 in your case) to see the benefit adjustment. There don't seem to be any interim adjustments along the way - it all happens at once when you reach 67. That's a long time to wait, but at least knowing it's automatic helps with the peace of mind. For documentation, I think the consensus here is to keep all SSA correspondence about benefit withholdings, plus it probably doesn't hurt to save your annual earnings statements and any pay stubs that show you've exceeded the limit. @Aisha Rahman mentioned that having documentation can help if there are discrepancies, so better to have too much than too little! One question I have for the group - has anyone dealt with this situation where you have variable income from year to year? I do contract work so my earnings fluctuate quite a bit. Some years I might be way over the limit, others I might be under. Does SSA handle each year separately when they do the final recalculation at FRA?

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