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I'm in a very similar situation - turning 67 in October 2025 and still working full-time. After reading through all these responses, I want to share what I learned from my own research that might help clarify things further. The key insight is that SSA uses what's called the "earnings test exempt amount" which is different for the year you reach FRA versus other years. For 2024, the regular annual limit was $22,320, but the special higher limit for your FRA year was $59,520. The 2025 amounts should be announced in October, but they'll likely be around $62,760 as others mentioned. What really helped me understand this was looking at SSA Publication 05-10069 "How Work Affects Your Benefits" - it has clear examples of exactly how they calculate this for people in our situation. One thing I'd add is to keep detailed records of your monthly earnings throughout 2025, especially if you have any irregular income like bonuses or overtime. This will make it much easier to provide accurate information to SSA and avoid any confusion later.
Thanks for mentioning that SSA publication! I just looked it up and it really does have much clearer examples than what I found on the main SSA website. The scenarios they show are exactly like our situations. I'm also going to start tracking my monthly earnings more carefully - my pay varies a bit due to overtime and I want to make sure I have accurate records if SSA ever asks. It's reassuring to know there are others in similar situations working through these same questions. The October announcement of the 2025 limits can't come soon enough!
One additional consideration that might be helpful for your planning - since you're making $85,000 annually and turning 67 in September, you should also think about the tax implications of when you start your benefits. Starting benefits in September versus January could affect your tax liability for 2025, especially since you'll have both earned income and Social Security benefits in the same year. Up to 85% of your Social Security benefits could be taxable depending on your "combined income" (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of SS benefits). With your salary level, you'll likely hit the higher taxation threshold. You might want to run some tax projections for both scenarios - starting benefits in January versus September - to see which timing works better for your overall financial situation. Sometimes the earnings test considerations are just one piece of the puzzle, and the tax impact can be significant enough to influence your decision even when you're under the earnings limits.
This is such an important point that I hadn't considered! The tax implications could really change the math on when to start benefits. At $85k salary plus Social Security, you're definitely going to be in the higher taxation range. I'm wondering if it might actually make sense to start benefits in January to spread the tax impact across more months, or if bunching them into fewer months (Sept-Dec) might be better for tax planning purposes. Do you happen to know if there are any strategies for managing the provisional income calculation, like timing other retirement account withdrawals or charitable contributions? This is getting complicated enough that I'm thinking I should probably talk to a tax professional in addition to calling SSA!
I'm new to this community but have been reading through this incredibly detailed and helpful thread. As someone who works in Medicare advocacy, I want to add a few additional points that might help everyone dealing with these double-payment situations: 1. **Document the financial impact**: Keep track of any late fees, interest charges, or other costs you incurred because of the tied-up funds. While SSA doesn't typically pay interest on refunds, having this documentation can be helpful if you need to escalate. 2. **State Insurance Assistance Program (SHIP)**: If you continue having trouble getting through to SSA, your state's SHIP program can sometimes advocate on your behalf for Medicare-related billing issues. They're free and know the system well. 3. **Congressional inquiry**: For cases involving large amounts (like @Ryan Andre's $2,300+ situation), contacting your Congressional representative's office can sometimes expedite resolution. They have dedicated staff who handle SSA issues for constituents. 4. **Tax implications**: Make sure you're not double-counting these premium payments on your tax returns. Only count what you actually paid out-of-pocket, not the duplicated amounts. The fact that so many people are experiencing identical issues really does point to a systemic coordination problem between CMS and SSA systems. Hopefully sharing all these experiences will help others avoid the months-long waiting game that clearly doesn't work. Thanks to everyone for contributing such detailed timelines and advice!
This is incredibly helpful additional information, thank you @Andre Dupont! As someone new to this community and dealing with a similar Medicare premium double-payment issue, these advocacy tips are exactly what I needed to hear. I hadn't thought about documenting the financial impact or contacting my state's SHIP program - those are really valuable suggestions. The point about Congressional inquiry for larger amounts is also something I'll keep in mind if the direct approach doesn't work. The tax implications point is especially important - I definitely want to make sure I'm not accidentally double-counting these payments when filing. It's really reassuring to have an advocate's perspective confirming that this is indeed a systemic coordination problem rather than just isolated cases. This whole thread has been such an education on how to properly navigate this bureaucratic mess. Between the specific language to use when calling, the documentation requirements, and now these additional advocacy resources, I feel much more prepared to tackle my own case. Thanks for adding your professional insights to help all of us dealing with this frustrating situation!
I'm new to this community and facing a very similar Medicare premium double-payment situation. I started Medicare in January 2025 and began Social Security benefits in March, so I've been double-charged for March through November - that's about $2,610 I'm owed back over 8+ months! Reading through this entire thread has been both frustrating and incredibly helpful. Like so many others here, I was initially told by a Medicare representative that the refund would happen automatically within 6-8 weeks. It's now been over 8 months with absolutely nothing appearing on my credit card. What's really struck me is how consistent everyone's experiences have been - the "automatic" refund system clearly doesn't work as advertised, and being proactive with calling is essential. The specific language from @Aisha Abdullah about requesting a "Medicare Part B premium refund for duplicate payment during benefit transition" seems to be the key to getting routed correctly. The additional advocacy tips from @Andre Dupont about SHIP programs and Congressional inquiry are also really valuable to know about, especially for larger amounts like mine. I'm planning to start with the direct SSA call approach this week, but it's good to know there are escalation options if needed. This thread has been an incredible resource - thank you to everyone who shared their timelines and experiences. I'll definitely update once I make progress on my case. Having over $2,600 tied up this long is really impacting my finances, but at least now I have a clear roadmap for getting it resolved!
Welcome to the community @Mateo Perez! $2,610 over 8+ months is an absolutely staggering amount to have tied up in this bureaucratic mess - I can only imagine the financial stress that must be causing. Your situation really demonstrates just how severe this systemic coordination failure between Medicare and SSA has become. What's particularly striking about your case is that you have 9 months of documented duplicate payments, which makes it one of the most clear-cut refund situations I've seen in this thread. Given both the substantial amount involved and the extended timeline, I'd strongly recommend following @Andre Dupont s'advice about having Congressional inquiry as a backup option if the direct SSA approach doesn t'work quickly. The consistency across everyone s'experiences really is eye-opening - it s'clear that the 6-8 "week automatic refund timeline" that Medicare representatives are giving people is completely inaccurate in practice. The specific language from @Aisha Abdullah and the documentation tips from others should definitely help you get this moving in the right direction. With that much money involved, I d also'suggest asking for a supervisor immediately when you call rather than working with a general customer service representative. Your case deserves immediate attention given the amount and duration. Looking forward to hearing how your call goes - and thanks for adding to this incredibly valuable discussion that s helping'so many of us navigate this frustrating process!
I'm so sorry for your loss, Chloe. I went through this exact situation when my mother passed away last year, and the confusion you're experiencing is unfortunately very common with SSA representatives who aren't properly trained on these distinctions. You are absolutely correct to question the representative payee designation - that's completely wrong for your situation. What you need is Form SSA-1696 (Appointment of Representative), which simply allows you to communicate with SSA on your mother's behalf without taking control of her finances. Regarding the payment that appeared in your mom's account - that's definitely your father's final monthly Social Security payment. Since SSA pays one month behind, this would be his payment for the month before he passed. Do NOT let your mother spend this money, as SSA will automatically reclaim it through their bank recovery process, typically within 30-60 days. Here's what I recommend: Stop waiting for that appointment letter and call SSA back immediately. Ask to speak with a supervisor if necessary, and use these specific terms: "I need to schedule an appointment for SURVIVOR BENEFITS application and I want to complete Form SSA-1696 to become my mother's APPOINTED REPRESENTATIVE." Make sure to ask about retroactive survivor benefits dating back to February (the month after your father's death) - they won't automatically mention this but she's entitled to it if she applies within the timeframe. The process is frustrating, but once you get that appointment scheduled and use the correct terminology, things should move much more smoothly. Hang in there!
Lorenzo, thank you so much for this clear and detailed explanation! It's incredibly frustrating that multiple people have gone through the same experience with poorly trained SSA reps giving out wrong information about representative payee vs appointed representative. I really appreciate you emphasizing the specific terminology to use - "SURVIVOR BENEFITS application" and "APPOINTED REPRESENTATIVE" - it seems like using the exact right words makes all the difference when dealing with SSA. I'm definitely going to call first thing tomorrow and ask for a supervisor if the first person I talk to doesn't seem to understand what I need. The point about retroactive benefits back to February is so important and something I definitely wouldn't have known to ask about otherwise. It sounds like SSA won't volunteer this information, so I need to be very specific about requesting it. I'm done waiting for that appointment letter that may never come. Time to be more assertive and get this scheduled properly. Thank you for the encouragement and for sharing your experience - it really helps to know that others have successfully navigated this process even though it's overwhelming when you're in the middle of it.
I'm so sorry for your loss, Chloe. I went through something very similar when my father passed away last year, and I completely understand your frustration with the SSA representative giving you incorrect information. You are absolutely right to question the "representative payee" designation - that's completely wrong for your situation. A representative payee is for people who cannot manage their own finances due to mental incapacity or other severe limitations. What you actually need is Form SSA-1696 (Appointment of Representative), which simply allows you to speak with SSA on your mother's behalf without taking control of her money. Regarding the payment that appeared in her account - that's definitely your father's final Social Security payment. Since SSA pays one month behind, this would be his benefit for the month before he passed away. Whatever you do, don't let your mom spend that money! SSA will automatically reclaim it through their bank recovery process, usually within 30-60 days. My advice: Stop waiting for that appointment letter and call SSA back immediately. When you call, use these exact terms: "I need to schedule an appointment for my mother's SURVIVOR BENEFITS application, and I need to complete Form SSA-1696 to become her APPOINTED REPRESENTATIVE." If the first person doesn't understand, ask for a supervisor. Also, make sure to ask about retroactive survivor benefits going back to the month after your father's death. They won't automatically mention this, but she's entitled to it. The whole process is incredibly frustrating when you're grieving, but once you get the right appointment with someone who knows what they're doing, it should move much more smoothly. You've got this!
Thank you so much, William! It's reassuring (though frustrating) to hear that so many people have dealt with the same confusion from SSA reps who don't seem to understand the difference between representative payee and appointed representative. I'm definitely going to call tomorrow morning and use those exact terms you mentioned - "SURVIVOR BENEFITS application" and "APPOINTED REPRESENTATIVE." At this point I'm ready to ask for a supervisor right away if needed, since it seems like the frontline reps often give out incorrect information. The retroactive benefits point is so crucial - I had no idea that was something I needed to specifically request. It sounds like SSA won't mention it unless you bring it up yourself, which seems backwards but good to know. I'm done waiting for that mystery appointment letter. Time to take control of this process and get mom the benefits she's entitled to. Thank you for sharing your experience and for the encouragement!
I'm 61 and will be eligible next year, so I've been following this discussion with great interest! The advice about creating your Social Security account first to review earnings history seems crucial - I had no idea that was even possible. Based on all the success stories shared here, it really sounds like the online route works well when you're properly prepared. The 3-month timing recommendation keeps coming up consistently, which gives me confidence that's the sweet spot. I'm planning to start gathering all my documents now so I'll be ready when the time comes. One thing I'm curious about - for those who applied online, did you find it helpful to print out a copy of your completed application for your records, or is the electronic confirmation sufficient? Thanks to everyone for sharing such detailed experiences - this thread is going to save me a lot of research time!
Great question about keeping records! I definitely recommend printing/saving a copy of your completed application along with the confirmation page. When I applied online last month, I saved everything as PDFs in a dedicated folder on my computer - the completed application, confirmation page with the application number, and copies of all documents I uploaded. This turned out to be really helpful when I needed to reference details during a follow-up call. The electronic records in your Social Security account are great, but having your own backup copies gives you peace of mind and makes it easier to track your progress. Plus, if you ever need to call about your application status, having that confirmation number handy speeds things up significantly!
I applied online in February 2025 and just received my first payment last week - total time was about 6 weeks from application to payment! Like everyone else has mentioned, preparation was absolutely key. I spent time beforehand creating my Social Security account to review my earnings history (found a missing quarter from 2019 that I was able to get corrected), gathered all my documents, and applied exactly 3 months before I wanted benefits to start. The online process was surprisingly smooth - much better than I expected from a government website! The email updates kept me informed throughout the process, and when they requested one additional document, I was able to upload it the same day. For anyone on the fence, I'd say definitely try online first if your situation is straightforward. Having backup options like Claimyr for phone support is smart, but you probably won't need it if you're well-prepared. One small tip: double-check your direct deposit info multiple times - I almost made an error with my routing number that could have delayed my first payment!
Kaylee Cook
Thank you all for the helpful responses! This has cleared up so much confusion for me. I appreciate the technical details and real-life experiences shared here. I'm going to go ahead with my plan to claim at 62, and my husband will still plan to work until his FRA of 67. Knowing that my early filing won't impact potential survivor benefits gives me peace of mind. I'm also relieved to learn about being able to switch between benefits if circumstances change. Social Security really should make this information clearer on their website and publications!
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Keisha Robinson
Just wanted to add one more consideration that might be helpful - since you're planning to claim at 62 and your husband will continue working until 67, make sure you're aware of the earnings test that might apply to your benefits. If you're still working and earning over the annual limit ($22,320 for 2024), Social Security will temporarily withhold some of your benefits until you reach your FRA. However, those withheld benefits aren't lost forever - they get added back to your benefit amount once you reach FRA through a recalculation. Just something to keep in mind as you finalize your plans!
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Miguel Ortiz
•That's a really important point about the earnings test! I wasn't planning to work after claiming at 62, but it's good to know about the recalculation if circumstances change. Do you happen to know if that earnings limit applies to both spouses, or just the person who's claiming benefits? My husband will obviously still be earning his $125k salary, but since he won't be claiming benefits yet, I assume that doesn't affect my payments?
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