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i think ur getting confused bc SSA uses too many terms for same things!!! my ssa worker told me death benefits survior benefits child benifits mother-with-child benefits child-in-care dependent benefits ARE ALL THE SAME THINGS just diff words!! its all just money for when someone dies, dont worry about the names

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Actually, that's not correct. These are different benefit types with different eligibility rules and payment structures. Child's benefits and mother's/father's benefits are calculated differently and have different termination points. It's important to understand which is which for financial planning.

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well thats what they told me when i applied but mayb my worker was wrong idk the whole system is so confusing

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I've been through this exact situation and it's a complete mess to understand! Here's what my experience was: I got mother's benefits (aka spousal child-in-care) until my youngest hit 16, then BOOM - nothing for me until I hit retirement age. Each child got their own benefit until 18 (19 if still in high school). The WORST thing is that they don't warn you about the cliff when the youngest turns 16! Start planning NOW for that income drop. My family's finances took a major hit because I didn't understand this would happen.

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Thank you for sharing your experience. That sudden drop at 16 sounds scary. My youngest is only 6, so I have time, but I need to make sure I'm prepared for that change. I wish SSA would make this clearer in their communications.

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wait ur blind? how r u typing all this?? just curious

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Legal blindness doesn't always mean total blindness. I use screen reading software plus high contrast settings. Some legally blind people can still see shapes, light, and even read with strong magnification. But I'm blind enough that I can't drive, can't read normal print, and qualify for SSDI.

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Have you received any update on this situation? Were you able to reach someone at SSA to explain the payment?

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Finally got through yesterday! The agent confirmed what some of you suggested - it's a retroactive payment for the difference between my SSDI benefit and my dad's higher benefit rate (which I'm now receiving as a disabled adult child). The check is legitimate and I can deposit it. They're sending formal documentation explaining everything. Thanks everyone for your help and advice!

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My dads going thru this right now! His SSDI is converting at FRA (hes 66yrs10mo) but the letter they sent was sooo confusing, he thought they were cutting his benefits lol. But when he finally got thru to someone they explained its just changing categories not changing the $$.

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That's exactly what I was worried about! Their letters can be so confusing. I'll make sure to read any notices extra carefully when I get closer to FRA. Thanks for sharing your dad's experience.

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One additional thing to know: if you're receiving SSDI and you have dependents who receive benefits based on your record, their benefits will also continue unchanged when yours converts to retirement benefits at FRA. This includes benefits for a spouse caring for children, minor children, or disabled adult children. The conversion is truly just an internal bookkeeping change at SSA - from their disability trust fund to their retirement trust fund. For you as the beneficiary, everything continues without interruption.

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Wait so if my wife gets a spousal benefit from my SSDI, will her amount change when I convert to retirement? I'm confused because I thought spousal benefits were different percentages for disability vs retirement?

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Spousal benefits are generally calculated the same way whether they're based on a disability or retirement record - typically 50% of the worker's primary insurance amount if claimed at the spouse's full retirement age. If your wife is receiving a spousal benefit now, it should remain the same after conversion.

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When I was going thru my divorce 15 years ago, my lawyer actually warned me about this 10-year rule and suggested delaying the divorce by a few months to hit the 10-year mark. He said it wouldn't affect anything else in our settlement but would preserve my right to claim on my ex's record. I wonder if your dad's lawyer never mentioned this? Most divorce attorneys know about this rule if they're experienced.

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That's really interesting! I have no idea if his lawyer mentioned it or not. This was back in 2000 so it was a long time ago. Maybe they didn't consider it or maybe they didn't care about it at the time. I bet a lot of people don't think about Social Security implications during divorce, especially when they're younger. Good to know that lawyers do sometimes advise on this!

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THIS IS WHY THE SYSTEM IS SO UNFAIR!!!! Someone married 9 years 364 days gets NOTHING while someone married 10 years and 1 day gets FULL BENEFITS!!! Makes no sense!!! They should prorate it or something!!!

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While I understand your frustration with the seeming arbitrariness of a strict cutoff, benefit eligibility rules often need clear lines. A prorated system might seem fairer but would be much more complex to administer. The 10-year duration requirement was established to ensure a substantial relationship existed before entitlement to benefits on another person's record. Without some defined threshold, determining eligibility would become subjective. It may help to remember that someone who doesn't qualify for divorced spouse benefits can still receive benefits based on their own work record, and there are other safety nets like SSI for those with limited resources.

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One more thing to consider - will you still be 64 for all of 2025 or will you reach FRA during the year? The month you reach full retirement age, the earnings test goes away completely. So if you'll reach FRA in 2025, that changes the calculation quite a bit.

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I was born in October 1960, so I'll turn 65 in October 2025. My full retirement age is 67, so I won't reach that until 2027. So I'll definitely be subject to the earnings test for all of 2025 and 2026.

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Based on everything in this thread, it seems like your best strategy would be: 1. Work full-time January-June 2025 2. Start benefits in July 2025 3. Reduce your work hours to stay under the monthly limit ($1,860) for July-December 4. For 2026, decide whether to continue working reduced hours or stop working entirely based on the annual limit This maximizes your total income from both work and Social Security. Plus, any benefits withheld will eventually be returned to you as increased monthly payments after you reach full retirement age in 2027.

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This is extremely helpful, thank you! I think this is exactly the strategy I'll follow. I'll talk to my employer about reducing my hours starting July 2025, and I'll file my application a few months before that. Really appreciate everyone's advice here - this was much more helpful than I expected!

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Just make sure you keep an eye on the benefit amounts after your ex files!!! Print out or screenshot the current benefit statement so you have proof of the before amount in case something goes wrong. Trust me on this one.

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That's very good advice - I'll definitely document everything. Better safe than sorry. I really appreciate the tip!

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One additional point worth mentioning: While your ex-spouse's claim won't affect your son's benefits, if you have any other current family members receiving benefits on your record (like a current spouse or other children), all of you would be subject to the family maximum limit. In that case, benefits might be adjusted proportionally among current beneficiaries to stay within the maximum - but again, this would never include your ex-spouse's benefits, which are calculated separately.

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Thankfully it's just my son receiving benefits on my record right now. My current wife has her own Social Security from her work history. This all makes much more sense now - I really appreciate everyone's help!

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WAIT I just realized - are we talking about SSI or regular Social Security retirement?? Because I think the rules are different for each one!! My mom was on SSI and those rules were completely different from what people are saying here!!!

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Good question for clarification, but the rule about not being entitled to benefits for the month of death actually applies to both regular Social Security retirement/survivors/disability (OASDI) and SSI. The main difference is in how they handle payments already made. For SSI, payments are for the current month, while regular Social Security payments are for the previous month.

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Thank you everyone for the helpful information. My sister-in-law was receiving regular Social Security retirement benefits, not SSI. Based on your responses, it sounds like we should: 1. Not expect any January payment 2. Make sure we notify SSA about her passing (already done) 3. Be aware that even the December payment might need to be returned if it was received after her death I really appreciate all the guidance during this difficult time. Dealing with all these administrative tasks while grieving isn't easy.

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You've summarized it perfectly. And yes, these administrative tasks are incredibly challenging during a time of grief. Just take it one step at a time. Remember to check if there are any other potential survivor benefits that might apply to her immediate family members, if applicable.

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my sister works for social security and she says they're super backed up with letters right now could take up to 3 weeks!!!!

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UPDATE: You were all right! I finally got the letter today (7 business days after the deposit). It was indeed a Medicare IRMAA adjustment based on my 2024 tax return showing lower income. They refunded me for the higher premium I'd been paying since January. Mystery solved! Thanks everyone for your help and reassurance.

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knew it!! exact same thing happened to me. glad you got your answer!

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Great news! IRMAA adjustments are one of the most common reasons for unexpected deposits. For anyone else reading this in the future: if your income drops due to a life-changing event (retirement, death of spouse, divorce, etc.), you can file Form SSA-44 to request an IRMAA reduction without waiting for your next tax return to be processed.

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Liam Duke

Can I ask why you're taking SS at 62? Just curious because I'm trying to decide when to start mine. I'm leaning toward waiting until FRA (67 for me) but sometimes I think I should just take it early like you're doing.

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Harold Oh

For me, it's a combination of factors. First, I have some health concerns that run in my family, so longevity isn't guaranteed. Second, I've run the calculations and determined that my break-even point is around age 80 - meaning I'd need to live past 80 for waiting to claim later to pay off. Third, I have other retirement savings I can draw from, so I'm planning to use SS for basic expenses and preserve my other investments. But everyone's situation is different!

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Liam Duke

Thanks for sharing! Those are good points to consider. I'm still healthy at 61 but who knows what the future holds. Maybe I should rethink my strategy...

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Another option to consider: if the timing works out, you could potentially delay your SS application until January 2026 (assuming your finances allow it). That way, your 2025 earnings including severance won't matter for the earnings test, and you'd only lose 8 months of benefits compared to your original plan. The earnings limit is applied on an annual basis, so if you have high earnings in one year, it can make sense to wait until the following year to start benefits. Just something to consider as you weigh your options.

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Harold Oh

That's a really good point I hadn't considered. I'll have to look at my budget to see if I can stretch my savings for those extra months. It might be worth it to avoid dealing with benefit reductions and potential overpayments. Thanks for the suggestion!

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Wait I'm confused about something. Does SSA always take back the payment for the month someone dies? My mom died on Jan 31st last year and they didn't ask for that money back. Is it different if they die at end of month vs beginning??

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OH! That makes sense now, thanks for explaining. So the person who started this thread, their dad died in January and the January payment (received in January) was actually for December so they should be able to keep it? Or am I still confused?

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No, that's not quite right. The payment received in January is for December (which they're entitled to keep). But if SSA sent a payment in February (for January), that's the one that would need to be returned since the person wasn't alive for the entire month of January. In the original poster's case, it sounds like their father received the January payment (for December) before he died on January 18th, and that's the payment SSA would reclaim because payments are paid in arrears.

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Update: I finally got through to SSA today. You all were right - I needed to call them and explain the situation with the new estate account. They're sending me a form to complete and return with a copy of the death certificate and my court appointment papers. They said once they process that paperwork, they'll send instructions for returning the payment. Thanks everyone for your help!

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Glad you got it resolved! Did you end up having a long wait time to speak with someone?

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Yes, I was on hold for over an hour and got disconnected twice before finally getting through. Wish I'd known about that Claimyr service you mentioned before I spent half my day on this! But at least it's handled now.

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