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Harold Oh

Will severance package count against Social Security earnings limit after taking SS at 62?

I'm planning to start collecting Social Security in May 2025 at age 62. I know there are pros and cons to claiming early, but for my personal situation, 62 makes the most sense financially. Here's my concern - I was laid off in December and my company is finalizing a severance package based on my 18 years with them. The package will likely be distributed AFTER I start receiving my SS benefits. Will this severance amount count toward the 2025 earnings limit ($22,320 I think)? I won't actually be working or earning wages in 2025, but I'm worried this lump sum might trigger a reduction in my benefits even though it's for past work. Has anyone dealt with this situation before? My severance will be around $45,000 which obviously exceeds the limit if it counts as 2025 earnings. Don't want to start SS and then get hit with unexpected benefit reductions!

Amun-Ra Azra

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The treatment of severance pay depends on how it's classified. In most cases, severance is considered "wages" for Social Security purposes in the year you receive it, not when you earned it. So if you get $45K in severance after starting benefits in May 2025, it would likely count against your earnings limit. However, there can be exceptions. Some types of payments might be attributable to the year the work was performed rather than when paid. You should definitely call SSA directly to discuss your specific situation before making your filing decision. You might be able to negotiate with your employer about the timing of the severance payment if possible - receiving it in 2024 before you start benefits would avoid the earnings test issue entirely.

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Harold Oh

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Thanks for the quick response! I was afraid of that. Do you know if there's any specific language or classification in the severance agreement that would help determine how it's counted? I wonder if I could request they structure it differently.

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Summer Green

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I went thru something similar when i took early SS. my severence was counted in the year i got it and it KILLED my benefits that year!! they took back almost half my SS payments for those months. its becuz the earnings limit is so low until u hit full retirement age. Wish id known that before filing!!!!

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Harold Oh

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Oh no, that's exactly what I'm worried about! Did they reduce your benefits for the entire year or just for the months after you got the severance?

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Summer Green

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they took $1 for every $2 i went over the limit spread across the whole year. so i got less each month. you should really try getting ur money in 2024 if possible!!!

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Gael Robinson

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I want to clarify something important here. How your severance affects the earnings test depends on what type of severance it is: 1. Standard severance pay is typically counted as wages in the year received 2. However, if your severance can be classified as "special payments" (payments for work done in previous years), it might not count toward the earnings test You should request Form SSA-131 (Employer Report of Special Wage Payments) from your employer. If they complete this form properly, your severance might be excluded from the 2025 earnings test. You can find more info about this in SSA's Program Operations Manual System (POMS) section RS 02505.001.

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Harold Oh

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This is incredibly helpful information! I had no idea about Form SSA-131. I'm going to contact HR tomorrow to see if they'd be willing to classify the severance as a special payment for past work. Thank you so much for this specific advice.

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Have u tried calling the SSA about this????? I spent FOUR DAYS trying to get through to them last month and kept getting disconnected or put on hold for hours!!! So frustrating when u just need a simple answer to plan your retirement!!! The system is BROKEN!!

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Dana Doyle

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my neighbor had somethin similar happen and he just spent the money real quick before SSA found out lol

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Amun-Ra Azra

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This is actually terrible advice. The SSA will still count the income since employers report it, and they can withhold future benefits to recoup overpayments. They can also charge penalties if they determine you intentionally concealed income. Please don't suggest people try to hide income from the SSA.

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Dana Doyle

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jeez it was just a joke calm down

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Liam Duke

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Can I ask why you're taking SS at 62? Just curious because I'm trying to decide when to start mine. I'm leaning toward waiting until FRA (67 for me) but sometimes I think I should just take it early like you're doing.

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Harold Oh

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For me, it's a combination of factors. First, I have some health concerns that run in my family, so longevity isn't guaranteed. Second, I've run the calculations and determined that my break-even point is around age 80 - meaning I'd need to live past 80 for waiting to claim later to pay off. Third, I have other retirement savings I can draw from, so I'm planning to use SS for basic expenses and preserve my other investments. But everyone's situation is different!

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Liam Duke

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Thanks for sharing! Those are good points to consider. I'm still healthy at 61 but who knows what the future holds. Maybe I should rethink my strategy...

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Gael Robinson

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Another option to consider: if the timing works out, you could potentially delay your SS application until January 2026 (assuming your finances allow it). That way, your 2025 earnings including severance won't matter for the earnings test, and you'd only lose 8 months of benefits compared to your original plan. The earnings limit is applied on an annual basis, so if you have high earnings in one year, it can make sense to wait until the following year to start benefits. Just something to consider as you weigh your options.

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Harold Oh

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That's a really good point I hadn't considered. I'll have to look at my budget to see if I can stretch my savings for those extra months. It might be worth it to avoid dealing with benefit reductions and potential overpayments. Thanks for the suggestion!

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Anna Kerber

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One more thing to consider - if you do end up having benefits withheld due to the earnings test, it's not necessarily money lost forever. Once you reach full retirement age, Social Security will recalculate your benefit amount to give you credit for the months when benefits were withheld due to excess earnings. So while it's still better to avoid the earnings test if possible, just know that those "lost" benefits aren't completely gone - they get factored back in later when you reach FRA. That said, I'd still recommend pursuing the Form SSA-131 route that Gael mentioned or trying to get the severance paid in 2024 if your employer is flexible on timing.

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Mei Chen

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That's really reassuring to know! I was worried that any withheld benefits would just be gone forever. It's good to hear they get recalculated later - that takes some of the pressure off. I'm definitely going to pursue the Form SSA-131 option first and see if my employer will work with me on classifying the severance as a special payment. If that doesn't work out, at least I know the withheld benefits aren't completely lost. Thanks for explaining how that works!

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I'm in a similar situation - took early retirement at 62 last year and had to navigate the earnings test. One thing that really helped me was keeping detailed records of all communications with my employer about the severance classification. When I called SSA, they asked for specific documentation about when the work was performed versus when payment was made. Also, don't forget that if you do end up over the earnings limit, there's a monthly test for the first year of benefits. So if your severance comes in later months of 2025, you might only lose benefits for those specific months rather than having it spread across the whole year. The SSA agent I spoke with explained that the monthly test can sometimes be more favorable than the annual test depending on timing. Good luck with your employer negotiations - having them complete Form SSA-131 could really save you a lot of headaches!

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This is really helpful information about the monthly test! I didn't know about that option for the first year. My severance will likely come in late summer or early fall 2025, so the monthly test might work in my favor. I'm definitely going to keep detailed records of everything as you suggested. Did you have to provide specific documentation to prove when the work was performed versus when you were paid? I want to make sure I have everything SSA might need if I go the Form SSA-131 route.

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Zara Shah

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I went through something very similar when I started my SS benefits at 62 three years ago. My employer was actually pretty accommodating when I explained the situation - they were able to structure my severance as deferred compensation for work performed in previous years and completed Form SSA-131. It made all the difference! A few practical tips from my experience: 1) Get everything in writing from your employer about how they're classifying the payment, 2) If they can't do the special payment classification, ask if they can split the severance across tax years (part in 2024, part in 2025), and 3) Keep copies of your employment contract and any severance agreement language. The key thing that helped in my case was showing SSA that the severance was based on my 18-year tenure rather than current-year work performance. Since you mentioned 18 years of service, you might have a good case for the special payment classification. Don't give up hope - there are definitely options to explore before you have to deal with benefit reductions!

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This is exactly the kind of real-world experience I was hoping to hear about! Thank you so much for sharing those practical tips. The idea of splitting the severance across tax years is brilliant - I hadn't even thought to ask about that possibility. I'm definitely going to approach HR with your suggestions, especially about emphasizing that the severance is based on my tenure rather than current work. Having someone who actually went through this successfully gives me a lot more confidence that there are viable solutions. I really appreciate you taking the time to share what worked for you!

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Amara Okafor

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I'm currently 61 and considering filing for SS at 62 next year, so this thread has been incredibly educational for me! I had no idea about Form SSA-131 or the special payment classification - thank you to everyone who shared that information. One question I have: for those who successfully got their severance classified as a special payment, how long did the process take? I'm wondering if there's a time crunch involved since you're planning to start benefits in May. Also, did any of you have to get legal help with the employment agreement language, or were your HR departments able to handle it on their own? The monthly vs annual earnings test distinction is also really valuable to know. It sounds like timing could make a huge difference in how this all plays out for you, Harold. Really hoping your employer is willing to work with you on this!

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Great question about timing! In my experience with a similar situation, the Form SSA-131 process took about 3-4 weeks from when I first approached HR to when they completed and submitted the form. The key was getting HR to understand exactly what was needed - I had to provide them with the SSA guidelines and walk them through why this classification would benefit both me and the company (since it reduces their reporting burden too). Most HR departments can handle this without legal help if you give them the right resources. I'd recommend downloading the POMS section RS 02505.001 that Gael mentioned and highlighting the relevant parts for your HR team. The sooner you start this conversation, the better - you'll want everything sorted before you file for benefits in May. @Harold Oh - since you re'on a similar timeline, I d'suggest reaching out to HR as soon as possible. Even if they can t'do the special payment classification, having those conversations early gives you more options to explore!

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Ava Garcia

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now! I was laid off in November and I'm 61, planning to file for SS benefits in a few months. My severance is also going to be substantial - around $38K - so I've been researching this extensively. One thing I learned that might help: if your employer hasn't finalized the severance agreement yet, you might have more negotiating power than you think. I was able to get my company to agree to pay half my severance in December 2024 and half in January 2026 (after I turn 62 but before I plan to file). This way I avoid the 2025 earnings test entirely. Also, check if your company has any flexibility on HOW they pay the severance. Some companies can structure it as continued salary payments over several months rather than a lump sum, which might give you more control over the timing and amount that hits in any given tax year. The Form SSA-131 route that others mentioned is definitely worth pursuing, but having a backup plan with payment timing could save you a lot of headaches. Good luck with your negotiations!

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Savannah Vin

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Wow, that's such a smart approach with the split payment timing! I wish I had thought to negotiate that before my company started finalizing things. Your idea about structuring it as continued salary payments is really interesting too - I wonder if it's too late for me to explore that option since they're already working on the final agreement. It's encouraging to hear from someone in almost the exact same situation. The $38K vs $45K amounts are pretty close, so we're both well over that earnings limit if it gets counted as 2025 income. I'm definitely going to ask HR if there's any flexibility left in how they structure the payment, even at this stage. Thanks for sharing your negotiation strategy - it gives me some concrete ideas to bring to them!

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This is such a comprehensive discussion - I'm learning so much from everyone's experiences! I'm 60 and considering my SS filing strategy, so this thread is incredibly timely for me. One additional consideration I haven't seen mentioned yet: if you do end up with the severance counting toward your 2025 earnings and benefits get withheld, make sure to keep track of exactly how much gets withheld. When SSA recalculates your benefits at FRA (as Anna mentioned), having your own records can help ensure they credit you correctly for all the withheld amounts. Also, I wanted to add that some companies have Employee Assistance Programs (EAP) that include retirement planning consultations. If your company offers this, the consultant might be able to help you navigate the severance classification conversation with HR from a benefits perspective. They often have experience with these types of situations and can frame the request in terms that HR understands. Harold, it sounds like you have several good options to explore. Between the Form SSA-131 route, potential payment timing negotiations, and the monthly earnings test for your first year of benefits, you're not necessarily stuck with a bad outcome. Keep us posted on how your conversations with HR go!

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Yuki Watanabe

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This is such valuable advice about keeping detailed records of any withheld benefits! I hadn't thought about the importance of tracking those amounts for the FRA recalculation. The EAP consultation idea is brilliant too - I actually think my company does offer that service, and having a neutral third party help frame the conversation with HR could make a big difference. Your point about having multiple options to explore really helps put this in perspective. I was getting pretty stressed thinking I was stuck with either taking the full earnings test hit or delaying my SS filing, but it sounds like there are several viable paths forward. I'm going to start with the Form SSA-131 discussion with HR, see if there's any flexibility on payment timing, and also look into that EAP consultation. Thank you so much for the encouragement and practical suggestions! I'll definitely update everyone once I have some conversations with HR and know more about which direction this is heading.

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Vince Eh

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I'm a retirement benefits specialist who has helped many clients navigate this exact situation. The good news is that you have several viable options to explore, and it's not too late to potentially avoid the earnings test issue entirely. First priority: Contact your HR department IMMEDIATELY about Form SSA-131. Since your severance is based on 18 years of service rather than current work, you have a strong case for special payment classification. The key is getting HR to understand that this form protects both you and the company - it's not additional work for them, it's proper classification that benefits everyone. If Form SSA-131 doesn't work out, here are your backup options: 1. Request payment timing modifications (split between 2024/2026 or structured payments) 2. Use the monthly earnings test for your first benefit year (much more favorable if severance comes later in 2025) 3. Consider delaying your SS filing to January 2026 if financially feasible The monthly test is crucial to understand: in your first year of benefits, if you earn over the monthly limit ($1,860 in 2025), you lose benefits only for that specific month, not the entire year. This could significantly reduce any benefit loss. Document everything in writing with your employer. Even if they can't accommodate all requests, having the paper trail helps with SSA later. You're in a much better position than you think - don't panic, just act quickly on these conversations with HR.

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Rita Jacobs

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This is exactly the kind of professional guidance I was hoping to find! Thank you so much for breaking down all the options so clearly. The monthly earnings test explanation is particularly helpful - I had read about it but didn't fully understand how much more favorable it could be compared to the annual test if the severance comes later in the year. I'm definitely going to contact HR first thing Monday morning about Form SSA-131. Your point about framing it as proper classification that benefits both parties is a great approach - I'll emphasize that aspect rather than making it sound like I'm asking for a special favor. The backup options you've outlined give me a lot more confidence that this situation is manageable. Even in a worst-case scenario where none of the preferred options work out, knowing about the monthly test and the eventual benefit recalculation at FRA makes this much less scary than I initially thought. One quick question: when you mention documenting everything in writing, should I be asking HR to confirm their decisions via email, or is it more about me keeping notes of our conversations? I want to make sure I'm creating the right kind of paper trail. Thanks again for the reassurance and actionable advice!

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