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Liam McGuire

Will my pre-retirement income count toward Social Security earnings limit if I start benefits at FRA?

So I'm finally retiring at the end of June 2025 when I hit my full retirement age (67). My employer will be paying me regular salary through June, plus I'll be getting a lump sum payout for my unused vacation (about $8,200) and sick time (roughly $6,400). I'm planning to start my Social Security benefits in August after everything's settled. What's confusing me is how Social Security will view all this income. Since I'll be at FRA when I start collecting, does that $23,000 earnings limit even apply to me? And if it does, would all the money I earn before starting benefits (including those vacation/sick payouts) count toward that limit? I don't want to accidentally trigger some kind of reduction in my benefits. I tried calling SSA but gave up after being on hold for 45 minutes. Has anyone dealt with this retirement income timing issue before?

Amara Eze

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Good news! Since you'll be at your Full Retirement Age (FRA) when you start collecting benefits, the earnings limit doesn't apply to you at all. The $23,000 limit (actually $24,720 for 2025) only applies to people who collect Social Security BEFORE reaching their FRA. Once you hit FRA, you can earn unlimited income without any reduction to your Social Security benefits. So all your pre-retirement income including salary, vacation payout, and sick time won't affect your benefits. Just make sure you really are at your FRA when you start collecting. If you apply even a month before reaching FRA, different rules would apply for that year.

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Liam McGuire

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Thank you so much! That's a huge relief. I was worried I might need to delay my benefits even longer. Just to confirm - I'll be exactly 67 when I start collecting in August, and my birthday is in May, so I'll definitely be at FRA. Does that sound right?

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actually the earnings limit is a bit more complicated. it depends on the MONTH you reach FRA not just the year. and it might matter what month you actually get those payouts for vacation/sick time. my brother had issue with this so be careful!!

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NeonNomad

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While it's true that there's a monthly earnings test in the year you reach FRA, in this specific case it doesn't matter. The poster clearly stated they'll reach FRA in June 2025 and won't start benefits until August 2025. Since they'll be past their FRA when benefits begin, there's no earnings test at all - monthly or annual. You're right though that the timing of income receipt can matter in some cases, especially for people starting benefits before FRA.

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I WENT THROUGH EXACTLY THIS LAST YEAR!! The SSA rep gave me the WRONG information and caused me so much stress!!! They told me my vacation payout would count against me but IT DOESN'T if you're already at FRA!!! The whole earnings limit thing is a COMPLETE NIGHTMARE to understand and the SSA doesn't make it any easier!!! My advice: document EVERYTHING, get names of who you talk to, and don't trust what one person tells you - always verify with someone else there!!!

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When I was trying to figure this out for my retirement, I spent WEEKS trying to get through to SSA. Ended up using a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an actual SSA agent in under 10 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU The agent confirmed exactly what others are saying here - once you're at FRA, you can earn unlimited income without affecting your benefits. The earnings test simply doesn't apply. It would only matter if you started benefits before reaching your FRA in June.

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Liam McGuire

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Thanks for the tip about Claimyr - I'll check that out. I've been trying for days to get through to someone at SSA for a few other questions I have about my application.

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i think everyone is forgetting that theres also the issue of how social security is taxed which is different from the earnings limit. if your combined income (including half of SS benefits + other income) exceeds $34,000 (married) or $25,000 (single) up to 85% of your benefits could be taxable. so those payouts might push you into higher tax bracket for SS benefits.

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Amara Eze

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That's an excellent point about taxation versus the earnings limit - they're completely different issues. The earnings limit is about potential reduction in benefits, while what you're describing is about how much of the benefits might be subject to income tax. You're right that up to 85% of Social Security benefits can become taxable depending on combined income. This is definitely something for the original poster to consider for tax planning purposes, even though it won't reduce their actual benefit amount.

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Dmitry Volkov

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My wife dealt with this same thing in 2023. All the income she earned before starting SS didn't matter for the earnings test since she was past FRA when she filed. Just make sure you apply for benefits AFTER you reach FRA so there's no confusion. Good luck with your retirement!

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Liam McGuire

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Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! This really clears things up. I'm definitely going to wait until August to apply, well after I reach my FRA in June. And I'll look into the tax implications of those payouts too - that's something I hadn't considered. Is there anything special I need to do when I apply to make sure SSA understands my situation correctly? I've heard their representatives sometimes give inconsistent information.

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NeonNomad

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When you apply online or in person, there's a section where you report your expected earnings for the year. Since you'll be past your FRA when benefits start, you could technically put any amount there without affecting your benefits. But to avoid confusion, I recommend being specific: list your expected earnings through June 2025, and note that you'll have no earnings after you retire at the end of June. Also specify that you're applying for benefits as of August 2025, after reaching your FRA. If you apply online, there's usually a remarks section where you can add this clarification. If in person or by phone, just make sure the representative notes your FRA date and benefit start date clearly.

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forgot to say congrats on retirement! i'm still 3 years away and counting down the days lol

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Liam McGuire

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Thank you! I'm both excited and nervous. Been working for 45 years straight, so it's going to be a big adjustment!

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One thing to keep in mind - when you do apply for Social Security, you might want to consider doing it online through ssa.gov rather than trying to call. The online application is available 24/7 and you can save your progress if you need to step away. It also automatically calculates your benefit amount and lets you choose your start date. Since you're waiting until August to start benefits (smart move!), you can actually apply up to 4 months in advance. So you could submit your application as early as April 2025 and specify August as your benefit start date. This gives SSA time to process everything and reduces the chance of any delays in your first payment. Also, make sure you have your tax returns from the last couple years handy when you apply - sometimes they ask for income verification even though the earnings test won't apply to you.

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That's really helpful advice about applying online! I didn't know you could apply up to 4 months in advance and specify a later start date. That sounds much easier than trying to get through on the phone. I'll definitely plan to submit my application in April or May and set August as my start date. Thanks for the tip about having tax returns ready too - better to be over-prepared than caught off guard.

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Amina Diallo

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Just wanted to add another resource that might help - the SSA's Publication 05-10069 "How Work Affects Your Benefits" has a really clear breakdown of the earnings test rules. You can download it from their website or request a paper copy. What's particularly helpful is that it has specific examples of different scenarios, including people who retire mid-year like you're doing. Since you'll be past FRA when you start benefits, you're in the "no earnings test applies" category, but the publication explains exactly why and how SSA makes that determination. Also, once you do start receiving benefits, you'll get an annual statement showing exactly how much you received and any tax withholding. This makes tax time much easier when dealing with those vacation/sick payouts from earlier in the year that others mentioned.

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Ella Thompson

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Thanks for mentioning that SSA publication - I'll definitely download it and read through those examples. It would be really helpful to see scenarios similar to mine laid out clearly. I appreciate everyone taking the time to share their knowledge and experiences. This community has been way more helpful than my 45 minutes on hold with SSA!

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Carmen Ruiz

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I went through a very similar situation when I retired in 2022. Like you, I was worried about how my final salary payments and vacation payout would affect my Social Security benefits. The key thing that gave me peace of mind was getting everything in writing from SSA. When I applied online (which I highly recommend), I made sure to clearly document in the remarks section that I would be past my FRA when benefits began. I also kept copies of all my final pay stubs and vacation payout documentation, even though it turned out I didn't need them since the earnings test doesn't apply once you're at FRA. One small tip - if you're planning to have taxes withheld from your Social Security benefits to help with the tax situation others mentioned, you can set that up when you apply using Form W-4V. It might be worth considering given your vacation and sick leave payouts will likely bump up your income for 2025. Congratulations on reaching this milestone! The transition to retirement is exciting even if the paperwork feels overwhelming.

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Kaylee Cook

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That's great advice about documenting everything in the remarks section and keeping copies of pay stubs! I hadn't thought about setting up tax withholding from Social Security benefits when I apply, but given that my vacation and sick leave payouts will be substantial, that's probably a smart move to avoid any surprises at tax time. Form W-4V - I'll make sure to look into that. Thanks for sharing your experience and the encouragement!

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