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Social Security survivor benefits reduced by my teacher pension - wasn't WEP/GPO supposed to be eliminated?

I'm completely confused and frustrated after my appointment with SSA today. I'm a retired schoolteacher (34 years in California) and my husband passed away 4 months ago. I finally gathered all the documents they asked for to claim survivor benefits and went to my local office. The claims representative told me that because I receive a teacher's pension from work not covered by Social Security, my survivor benefits would be significantly reduced due to something called the Government Pension Offset (GPO). I was shocked because I thought Congress had eliminated WEP and GPO recently! The rep said that legislation didn't pass and both are still in effect. Is this correct? She calculated I'd only get about $780/month in survivor benefits instead of the full $2,450 my husband was receiving. This seems so unfair after paying into my teacher retirement for decades while my husband paid into Social Security his entire career. Has anyone else dealt with this pension offset situation? Are there any workarounds or appeals I can file?

Have you spoken with anyone at CalSTRS about this? When my mother-in-law went through something similar (CA teacher, husband died), a CalSTRS counselor helped her understand all the implications and provided some resources. They can't change the federal law, but they're often more knowledgeable about how it intersects with their pension system than general SSA reps are.

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That's a great suggestion! I hadn't thought of contacting CalSTRS about this. I'll call them tomorrow and see if they can offer any guidance. Thank you!

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I'm so sorry for your loss and for this additional financial stress during an already difficult time. The GPO situation is unfortunately very real and affects thousands of educators and other public servants. One thing that might help: consider contacting your congressional representatives about this issue. While previous legislation hasn't passed, there's often renewed interest in WEP/GPO reform, especially when constituents share their personal stories. The National Education Association and other teacher unions also maintain advocacy efforts around this issue and might have resources or updates on current legislative efforts. It won't help immediately, but your voice could contribute to future change for others in similar situations.

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Social Security Fairness Act and ex-spouse benefits when there's a widow - CA teacher WEP/GPO question

I'm trying to understand if the new Social Security Fairness Act helps my situation. My sister taught in California public schools for 22 years, but worked part-time for about 8 of those years when raising her kids. She gets a modest pension (about $2,100/month). As you probably know, CA teachers don't pay into Social Security. Her situation got complicated when her husband of nearly 20 years divorced her in 2020 and quickly remarried. He passed away last month. My sister never remarried. We just heard about this Social Security Fairness Act passing, and now we're wondering - could my sister qualify for any ex-spousal survivor benefits from his Social Security record even though there's a current widow? Her ex was a high earner (over $175K annually for many years) with a substantial SS benefit. Does anyone understand how the Government Pension Offset (GPO) changes under this new law might affect her case? Would she need to have been married for 10+ years (which she was)? I'm so confused about how the widow vs. ex-spouse hierarchy works here.

wait does this new law help people who worked in jobs with pensions AND had some social security covered jobs? my dad worked for the post office for 25 years but also had enough social security credits from earlier jobs but got his SS benefit reduced because of WEP

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Yes! The Social Security Fairness Act will help your dad too. It phases out the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) over the same 5-year period (2025-2029). The WEP currently reduces Social Security benefits for people who receive pensions from jobs not covered by Social Security. As it phases out, your dad should see his Social Security benefit increase.

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I'm a retired teacher from Texas and went through a very similar situation. One thing I learned is that your sister should definitely get documentation of her ex-husband's earnings record if possible - this will help her understand what her potential survivor benefit would be before any GPO reduction. Also, since she's 64, she can apply for reduced survivor benefits now (available at 60) or wait until her full retirement age for the maximum amount. Given that the GPO is phasing out, it might make sense to run the numbers both ways. The fact that California teachers don't pay into Social Security actually makes her situation clearer in some ways - there's no WEP issue with her own benefits since she doesn't have any SS benefits of her own, just the GPO issue with survivor benefits. And yes, the current widow doesn't affect her eligibility at all. Both can collect simultaneously.

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Great question! When she applies for survivor benefits, SSA will automatically access her ex-husband's earnings record - she doesn't need to request it separately or have any special documentation beyond proof of their marriage and divorce. The SSA has access to all earnings records for benefit calculations. She'll just need her marriage certificate, divorce decree, and his death certificate. The tricky part is usually just getting through to SSA to start the application process, not accessing the earnings information itself.

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Great question! When she applies for survivor benefits, SSA will automatically access her ex-husband's earnings record - she doesn't need to get it separately. She just needs to provide proof of their marriage (marriage certificate) and divorce (divorce decree), plus his death certificate. SSA has access to all the earnings records and will calculate her potential benefit amount. The tricky part is usually just getting through to them on the phone to start the application process, which is why that Claimyr service mentioned earlier might be worth trying.

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Social Security at 64: Confused about 2025 earnings limits and mid-year retirement

I'm planning to claim Social Security retirement benefits next August 2025 when I turn 64. I've done the calculations and decided early filing makes sense for my situation even though I know about the advantages of waiting. I'm confused about the earnings test though. I'll probably earn between $110,000-$125,000 from January through August before claiming. Does this income count against me since it's before I start collecting benefits? Also, if I quit my full-time job in August and pick up part-time work for the rest of the year, how does SSA calculate the earnings limit? Is it monthly or for the whole year? And am I right that my first payment in September would actually be for August since SS pays a month behind? My financial planner gave me conflicting information about this, and the SSA website isn't clear about mid-year retirement scenarios with high pre-retirement earnings.

I've been helping my dad with the exact same situation! For part-time work after you claim, keep in mind that if you're self-employed, SSA looks at both your earnings AND your work activity. Even if you don't pay yourself much, if you're working a lot of hours they can still count it as substantial earnings. This tripped up my dad who continued managing his rental properties after claiming. Just something to consider if your part-time work might involve self-employment.

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That's good to know - my part-time work will be as an employee, not self-employed, so I should just need to watch the dollar amount. Everyone has been so helpful - I feel much more confident about my plan now!

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Just wanted to add one more consideration for your timeline - since you're planning to claim in August 2025, make sure to apply about 3-4 months beforehand (around April/May) to ensure your first payment processes smoothly. SSA recommends applying 3 months before you want benefits to start. Also, when you do apply, specifically mention that you want to use the monthly earnings test for 2025 rather than the annual test. While it should be automatic in your first year, it's worth being explicit about this choice when you speak with the SSA representative to avoid any confusion. Your plan sounds solid - earning whatever you need through August, then keeping part-time work under the monthly limit afterward. The first-year rule really does make mid-year retirement much more feasible!

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Social Security reduced benefits at 62 and part-time income limits - 2025 figures

I'm getting closer to retirement age (currently 58) and trying to figure out my Social Security strategy. If I claim at 62 instead of waiting until my full retirement age, roughly how much of a reduction would I see in my monthly benefit? I've heard it's around 30% less, but wanted to confirm. Also, I'm planning to work part-time after claiming early - what's the maximum I can earn in 2025 before they start reducing my benefits? Does anyone know if they count just wages or all types of income toward that limit? I've been trying the calculators on ssa.gov but getting confused with all the different numbers. Any help from those who've already navigated this would be great!

One often overlooked strategy: If you claim early at 62 but then find you don't need the money or want to return to substantial work, you can use the "withdrawal of application" option within 12 months of claiming. You'll need to repay benefits received, but it essentially gives you a do-over. Alternatively, once you reach FRA, you can voluntarily suspend benefits until age 70 to earn delayed retirement credits on what you're eligible for at FRA (though not making up for the early claiming reduction). For the earnings limit, remember it only applies until you reach FRA. After that, you can earn unlimited amounts without benefit reductions.

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I hadn't heard about either of those options! That withdrawal of application could be a good safety net if my circumstances change. Thank you for this information.

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One thing I'd add that helped me plan - try running different scenarios on the SSA calculators to see how various earning levels affect your total annual income (SS benefits + work income). Sometimes earning a bit less keeps you under the $22,320 limit and actually results in more total money in your pocket than earning more and having benefits reduced. Also, if you're married, don't forget about spousal benefits! Your spouse might be able to claim on your record even if you claim early, though their benefit would also be reduced. The timing strategies can get complex with married couples, so it's worth understanding all your options before making the decision. The calculators are definitely confusing at first, but once you get the hang of them they're really helpful for modeling different scenarios. Good luck with your planning!

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Will SSDI automatically convert to retirement at FRA? Confused about work restrictions before November

My wife turns full retirement age (FRA) this November and has been receiving SSDI benefits for about 6 years now. I'm trying to understand if there's anything we need to do before this automatic conversion from disability to retirement benefits happens? The SSA website mentions it's automatic, but is there paperwork we should expect or complete beforehand? Also, her health has improved significantly over the past year, and she wants to try some part-time work. We're confused about when she can start working without worrying about the earnings limit. Can she start now while still on SSDI, or should she wait until November when she hits FRA? I've heard different things about work rules before and after FRA. I don't want her to accidentally mess up her benefits by working at the wrong time. Any advice from those who've been through this transition would be greatly appreciated!

To summarize for the original poster: 1. The conversion from SSDI to retirement benefits will happen automatically in November - no action needed 2. The benefit amount will remain the same 3. Medicare coverage continues unchanged 4. Payment dates might shift slightly (retirement benefits have a different schedule than SSDI) 5. Working now (before FRA) involves navigating Trial Work Period rules and SGA limits 6. Working after reaching FRA in November has no earnings restrictions whatsoever Given these facts, and considering it's only a few months away, waiting until November to begin working is likely the simplest approach. This avoids any potential complications with TWP months, SGA limits, or triggering reviews.

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Thank you for this clear summary. We've decided to wait until November to avoid any potential issues. I'll also prepare her for the possibility of payment date changes so we don't panic if that happens. I appreciate everyone's help!

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As someone who recently went through this transition myself, I can confirm what others have said - the conversion really is seamless! One small tip: when the payment date changes, it might also show up under a slightly different description on your bank statement (mine changed from "SSA SSDI" to "SSA RETIREMENT"). Don't let that throw you off! Also wanted to add that if your wife does decide to work before November, make sure she keeps detailed records of ALL earnings and hours worked. The SSA can be very particular about documentation if any questions come up later. Since you're so close to FRA though, waiting really does seem like the smartest move to avoid any potential headaches. Good luck with everything - it sounds like you're being very thoughtful about planning this transition!

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