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My neighbor waited till 70 to claim and now gets almost $1,400 more per month than his friend who claimed at 62. That's almost $17k more PER YEAR for the rest of his life!!!!

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As someone who just went through this exact situation at 62, I can confirm what others are saying - your lower 2024 income won't hurt your benefit calculation! I was terrified about the same thing when I left my job mid-year last year. The SSA really does use your highest 35 years of indexed earnings, so unless 2024 would somehow be one of your top earning years (which seems unlikely if you only worked 3 months), it simply won't factor into your calculation at all. I'd also recommend double-checking your earnings record on MySocialSecurity.gov to make sure everything from your working years is accurate. That's more important than worrying about this partial year. The delay strategy is still mathematically sound - you're getting those delayed retirement credits which compound over time. One thing that helped me decide was calculating my break-even point and considering my health/family longevity. If you're healthy and have good genes, waiting even a year or two can pay off significantly over your lifetime!

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This is really helpful to hear from someone who just went through the same situation! I appreciate you sharing your experience. The break-even calculation is something I've been trying to wrap my head around. Did you use any specific tools or calculators to figure that out, or did you work with someone to help you decide? I'm definitely in good health and my family tends to live into their 90s, so the longevity factor is definitely something I should consider more seriously.

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As someone who just went through this process myself, I can share what worked for me. First, definitely calculate your "combined income" using the formula Emily mentioned earlier - it's crucial for determining if your benefits will be taxable. I used the IRS withholding calculator online and it was really helpful. One thing I learned is that you can change your withholding election at any time during the year by submitting a new W-4V form, so don't stress too much about getting the perfect percentage right away. I started with 10% and adjusted it after a few months once I had a better sense of my total tax situation. Also, keep good records of all your income sources throughout the year - SS benefits, part-time work, pension, any investment income, etc. This will make tax time much smoother and help you fine-tune your withholding for next year. The learning curve is steep but you'll get the hang of it!

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This is really helpful advice, especially about being able to change the withholding percentage throughout the year! I didn't realize you could adjust it easily with a new W-4V form. That takes a lot of pressure off getting it perfect right away. I'm definitely going to try that IRS withholding calculator too - sounds like it'll give me a better picture than just guessing at 10%. Thanks for sharing your experience!

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Just wanted to add one more tip that helped me - if you're still working part-time, check with your payroll department about how your Social Security benefits might affect your tax bracket. I found out that my combined income pushed me into a higher bracket than I expected, so I ended up needing more withholding than I initially calculated. Also, if you have any 401k or IRA distributions planned, factor those in too since they'll add to your "combined income" calculation. The whole system is definitely confusing at first, but once you get through your first tax season with SS benefits, it becomes much clearer how everything fits together!

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Great point about checking how SS benefits affect your tax bracket! I'm still learning all this myself and hadn't thought about how my part-time income plus SS could bump me up. Do you know if there's an easy way to estimate what bracket I'll be in, or should I just wait and see after filing my first return with SS benefits? I don't have any 401k distributions planned, but this is making me realize I need to think more carefully about the timing of any financial moves now that I'm getting benefits.

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I'm new to this community but wanted to offer some support and additional thoughts. As someone who has helped family members navigate SSA claims, I'd suggest also looking into whether you have any old credit reports or loan applications from that time period where you might have listed each other as co-applicants or references. Sometimes people forget about these documents, but they can show financial interdependence during your common law period. Also, if you had any joint memberships (gym, Costco, etc.) or shared cell phone plans during those 2 years in Colorado, those records might still be available. The key is building a comprehensive picture of your life as a married couple before the legal ceremony. I know it's overwhelming to gather all this documentation while grieving, but Colorado's recognition of common law marriage really does give you a legitimate shot at meeting that 10-year requirement. Don't let the bureaucracy intimidate you - you have every right to pursue these benefits after an 11+ year relationship. Sending you strength for your upcoming appointment!

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Thank you for these additional suggestions, Dmitry! I really appreciate you taking the time to think through all these different types of documentation. You're right about credit reports and loan applications - we actually applied for a car loan together during that time period, so I should be able to get those records. The joint memberships idea is brilliant too - we definitely had a shared gym membership at the local YMCA. I'm making a comprehensive list of all these suggestions from everyone, and it's giving me so much more confidence going into my appointment. It's been incredibly helpful to have this community's support during such a difficult time. Thank you for the encouragement and for reminding me that I have every right to pursue what I'm entitled to after our long relationship together.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Felicity. What you're going through sounds incredibly stressful on top of an already difficult time. I'm new to this community but wanted to reach out because your situation really resonates with me. The advice about Colorado recognizing common law marriage seems really promising! One thing I wanted to add that might help - have you considered looking for any old correspondence between you two during that period? Things like emails, letters, or even text messages (if you still have old phones or backups) where you referred to each other as husband/wife or discussed shared future plans? Sometimes these personal communications can be powerful evidence of how you viewed your relationship. Also, if you had any shared subscriptions during those years - magazines, newspapers, streaming services - those records might show joint household management. I know it feels overwhelming to dig through old records while you're grieving, but the fact that so many people here have had success with similar cases in Colorado gives me hope for you. You've got this, and this community clearly has your back!

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Thank you all for the helpful responses! I've learned there's no "magic month" to file that increases benefits, but I should apply now for March benefits to give SSA enough processing time. I'm going to check my earnings record first, then submit my application. I appreciate the tip about Claimyr too - might use that if I run into problems reaching someone at SSA. I'll update once I get everything submitted!

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Good plan! One last tip - after you apply, you can check the status of your application through your my Social Security account. It's much faster than calling. Best of luck with your application and your recovery from the knee replacements!

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Just wanted to add one more consideration that might help with your decision-making process. Since you mentioned being in a tough financial spot, you might want to look into whether your state offers any additional assistance programs that could bridge the gap between when your temporary disability ends and when your Social Security payments begin. Some states have emergency assistance programs or food assistance that can help during transitions like this. Also, if your wife isn't already working, she might want to consider part-time employment to help with the financial pressure while you're waiting for benefits to start. The stress of financial uncertainty can really impact your recovery from surgery, so having multiple backup plans in place might give you both some peace of mind during this transition period.

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That's really thoughtful advice about looking into state assistance programs. I hadn't considered that there might be emergency help available during the transition period. My wife has been doing some part-time work from home, but we could probably explore more options there too. You're absolutely right that the financial stress isn't helping my recovery - I've been losing sleep worrying about the gap between February and March. I'll look into what our state offers for emergency assistance. Thanks for thinking of the practical side of things!

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One important point for everyone following this discussion - while the Social Security Fairness Act would eliminate WEP/GPO for domestic public employees, international pension issues are typically governed by bilateral Social Security agreements (totalization agreements). These agreements are negotiated country-by-country and have their own unique provisions. If you have work history in multiple countries, it's essential to understand both the general WEP rules and the specific provisions of any applicable totalization agreement. These agreements help determine: 1. Whether you can combine work credits from both countries to qualify for benefits 2. How benefits are calculated when you have split work histories 3. Which country's benefits you're eligible to receive The US-UK agreement helps prevent double taxation and allows for totalizing credits, but it doesn't completely eliminate WEP reductions.

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This is really helpful information, thank you. I think I need to specifically ask about the US-UK totalization agreement when I finally get through to someone at SSA. Do you know if there's a specific department or specialist at SSA that handles international cases?

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When you call SSA, ask to speak with someone in the Office of International Operations (OIO). They handle cases involving foreign pensions and totalization agreements. You can also mention that your case involves the US-UK totalization agreement specifically - this should help them route you to the right specialist. I had a similar situation with a Canadian pension and it took three transfers, but I finally got someone who understood the international agreements. Don't give up!

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I'm in a similar boat with a pension from Australia! Been dealing with WEP reductions for 3 years now and it's so frustrating. From what I've researched, the Social Security Fairness Act unfortunately won't help us with foreign pensions - it's really focused on US government workers like teachers and police officers who didn't pay into Social Security during their government service. The international pension situation is handled under totally different rules through those totalization agreements everyone's mentioning. I've been told by multiple people that we're basically stuck with WEP unless we can somehow get to 30 years of substantial US earnings (which seems impossible for most of us who worked abroad). @Andre Laurent thanks for mentioning the Office of International Operations - I didn't know there was a specific department for this! Going to try calling and asking for OIO directly instead of getting bounced around to regular customer service.

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Thanks for sharing your experience with the Australian pension! It's somewhat comforting to know I'm not alone in this frustrating situation, though I wish none of us had to deal with it. The fact that we paid into both systems in good faith and now get penalized feels so unfair. I'm definitely going to try calling and specifically asking for the Office of International Operations like @Andre Laurent suggested. Hopefully they ll'have more specific knowledge about the US-UK agreement. Have you had any luck getting through to OIO yet, or are you still trying to reach them?

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I'm dealing with something similar but with a pension from Canada. Been getting WEP reductions for about 5 years now and like you said, it's incredibly frustrating! The whole system seems designed to penalize people who worked internationally and contributed to multiple systems in good faith. I actually tried calling SSA last month asking specifically for the Office of International Operations after seeing it mentioned in some forums, and it did help! They were able to transfer me to someone who actually understood totalization agreements instead of just reading generic WEP information from a script. Still didn't get the answer I was hoping for (no magical loophole to eliminate my reduction), but at least I got clear information about my specific situation. @LilMama23 definitely try asking for OIO - even if the news isn't great, it's better to get accurate information from someone who knows international cases rather than getting the runaround from regular customer service. Good luck!

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