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my cousin did somthing smart, he worked jan-oct full time then retired in nov and got 2 SS checks that yr becuz he didnt go over monthly limit for those 2 months even tho the yearly total was over
Your cousin used the first-year retirement rule correctly! In the calendar year you first retire, SSA will use a monthly test rather than annual if it benefits you. You get a full benefit for any month you earn under the monthly limit ($1,860 in 2025) AND don't perform substantial services in self-employment. This special rule only applies for that first calendar year of retirement.
Just wanted to add something important about working for your brother's landscaping business - make sure you're clear on whether you'll be classified as an employee or independent contractor. If you're doing regular landscaping work and he controls when/how you work, you're likely an employee even if it's family. This affects how your earnings count toward the limit and how taxes are handled. Also, since landscaping can be seasonal, you might want to plan your work schedule around the earnings limit - maybe work more hours in months when you're under the limit rather than spreading it evenly throughout the year.
Great point about the employee vs contractor distinction! I'm new to all this Social Security stuff, but this really clarifies things for me. Since the original poster mentioned working for his brother's business, it sounds like understanding that classification could make a big difference in how the earnings are reported and counted. The seasonal strategy you mentioned is really smart too - working more during certain months instead of spreading it out evenly. Does SSA look at this monthly earnings pattern closely, or do they mainly focus on the annual total when determining benefit reductions?
Thank you everyone for all the helpful information! I feel much clearer on what to do now. I'll wait until after my husband receives his first payment in 3 months, then call SSA to make sure my spousal benefits are being processed correctly. I'll have our marriage certificate ready just in case they need it. The deemed filing information was particularly helpful - I didn't realize that would automatically tie everything together.
Just wanted to add one more tip that helped me when I went through this process - keep detailed records of every phone call you make to SSA, including the date, time, and the name of the representative you spoke with (if they give it). Also write down any reference numbers they provide. I had to call back twice because of conflicting information from different reps, and having those details helped me get everything sorted out more quickly. The system can be frustrating, but most of the SSA staff really do want to help once you get through to them. Good luck with everything, and congratulations again on starting your retirement benefits!
That's excellent advice about keeping detailed records! I learned this the hard way with other government agencies - having those reference numbers and rep names can be a lifesaver when you need to follow up. I'm definitely going to start a little notebook to track everything once I make that call in a few months. Thanks for the tip and the congratulations!
I'm a newcomer to this community and found this discussion incredibly informative as I'm facing a similar situation. My husband passed away two years ago, and we have a disabled adult son who receives DAC benefits based on his father's record. I've been so anxious about how my eventual retirement filing might affect his benefits, but reading everyone's experiences here has been tremendously reassuring. What strikes me most is how consistent everyone's real-world experiences have been - in every case shared here, the DAC benefits remained unchanged when the surviving spouse filed for retirement. It's also eye-opening to learn about the distinction between DAC survivor benefits versus regular disability benefits, and how important it is to use the correct terminology when speaking with SSA representatives. I'm particularly grateful for the suggestions about widow's benefits and working with a Social Security specialist. Like many of you, I've struggled with the SSA phone system and gotten conflicting information, so having these community insights and professional resources to explore gives me a much clearer path forward. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and experiences - it's made navigating this complex system feel much less overwhelming.
Welcome to the community, Liv! I'm so sorry for your loss, and I completely understand the anxiety you've been feeling about how your retirement decisions might affect your son's benefits. It really is reassuring to see how consistent everyone's experiences have been here - it gives us real confidence that the DAC benefits truly are separate and protected. I've learned so much from this discussion too, especially about the importance of using precise terminology like "DAC survivor benefits" when dealing with SSA. The suggestion about working with a Social Security specialist sounds like a smart approach, especially when you're juggling multiple benefit types and trying to optimize your family's overall financial situation. It's wonderful to have found this supportive community where people share their actual experiences rather than just speculation. Wishing you clarity and peace of mind as you navigate your planning!
I'm new to this community and want to thank everyone for sharing their experiences with DAC benefits and retirement planning. As someone who recently lost my spouse and is trying to navigate the Social Security system for the first time, this discussion has been incredibly valuable. What really stands out to me is how universally consistent everyone's real-world experiences have been - every person who shared their story confirmed that DAC benefits remained completely unchanged when they or their family members filed for retirement. This consistency across different situations gives me much more confidence than the conflicting information I've gotten from multiple SSA phone calls. I'm also grateful for learning about the precise terminology to use. The distinction between "DAC survivor benefits" versus other types of disability benefits seems crucial for getting accurate information from representatives. The suggestions about widow's benefits and working with Social Security specialists have opened up planning options I hadn't considered. For newcomers like myself who are dealing with loss while trying to understand complex benefit rules, finding this supportive community where people share actual experiences rather than speculation has been incredibly reassuring. Thank you all for your willingness to help others navigate this challenging system.
I'm actually going through something very similar right now! I filed for SSDI in October 2023 for fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome, and I'm still waiting for a decision 16 months later. I ended up taking early retirement at 62 in January because I just couldn't make it financially anymore. Reading all these responses has been such a relief! I was also worried about having to pay back benefits, especially after the person at my local SSA office seemed confused about how it all works. It sounds like the offset system is pretty straightforward once you understand it. The part about getting Medicare 24 months after SSDI approval is huge for me too - my current health insurance premiums are brutal and don't cover much. And knowing that the early retirement penalty essentially gets erased if I'm approved for disability makes me feel so much better about the decision to file early. @Landon Morgan - have you tried checking your case status online through your my Social Security account? Sometimes that shows updates before you get anything in the mail. Also, if it helps at all, my disability attorney said that cases involving autoimmune conditions like rheumatoid arthritis often have better approval rates, especially with strong medical documentation. Hang in there!
Thanks for the encouragement @Tyrone Hill! It's oddly comforting to know there are others going through this same stressful waiting game. 16 months for you is even longer than my 15 - the system really seems overwhelmed right now. I do check my Social Security account online pretty regularly, but it just shows "in progress" without much detail. My attorney mentioned that RA cases often have good approval rates too, especially since it's so well-documented with lab work and imaging. I've got tons of medical records showing joint damage and inflammation markers, so hopefully that helps. The Medicare eligibility is definitely a huge bonus I hadn't fully considered. Between the potential for higher monthly benefits and earlier Medicare access, getting approved for SSDI would really be life-changing. Here's hoping we both get some good news soon - we've certainly waited long enough!
I'm new to this community but wanted to share my perspective as someone who just went through this exact situation! I filed for SSDI in March 2023 for multiple sclerosis and took early retirement at 62 in September 2024 after waiting 18 months with no decision. I was terrified about the repayment issue too - my local SSA office gave me conflicting information and I lost sleep worrying about it. But I got approved for disability in January 2025, and everything everyone here is saying is absolutely correct. SSA handled the adjustment automatically through their offset system. No repayment required! My monthly benefit went from $1,743 in reduced retirement to $2,480 in disability benefits, and I received a lump sum backpay for the difference. The relief was incredible, both financially and emotionally. What really struck me reading through this thread is how common this situation is, yet how little clear information is available upfront. The SSA representatives seem to give different answers depending on who you talk to, which just adds to the stress when you're already dealing with health issues and financial pressure. @Landon Morgan - you absolutely made the right choice taking early retirement while waiting. Don't let anyone make you feel otherwise. The system is designed to handle these concurrent situations, and you won't be penalized for making a smart financial decision during an impossibly long wait. Hoping your approval comes through soon!
Isabella Oliveira
Thank you all for the advice! I think I'll try to reach SSA using that service someone mentioned because I really need to understand my specific situation. It sounds like I was wrong about several things - especially about my husband needing to stop working to collect benefits. If he can file at 70 while still working, that changes our planning quite a bit. I also didn't realize that taking my benefit early would permanently reduce my spousal benefit later. Lots to think about!
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Ravi Patel
•Good plan. One more thing to consider: since your husband hasn't filed for benefits yet, you might want to look into a restricted application for spousal benefits if he's willing to file and suspend his benefits. The rules changed in 2016, but depending on your birth dates, this strategy might still be available to you. It's complex but worth asking the SSA representative about this specific strategy for your situation.
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Lourdes Fox
I'm in a very similar situation at 63 with my husband being 67. What really helped me was creating a spreadsheet to compare different scenarios - claiming now vs waiting until FRA vs waiting until 70 (though that doesn't apply to spousal benefits). One thing that might be worth considering is your household's overall financial picture. If you don't need the income immediately and have other retirement savings or your husband's business income to cover expenses, waiting until your FRA could maximize your lifetime benefits significantly given the large gap between your benefit and potential spousal benefit. Also, I learned that if you're still working and earning above the earnings limit ($22,320 for 2024), your benefits would be reduced anyway if you claim before FRA. So factor that in if you're still employed. The file-and-suspend strategy that used to exist is no longer available for people born after 1954, so don't get confused by older advice online. The current rules are what matter for your decision. Good luck! This stuff really is unnecessarily complicated.
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Amelia Martinez
•This is really helpful advice about creating a spreadsheet to compare scenarios! I'm new here but dealing with a similar situation at 65. The earnings limit point is crucial - I didn't realize that working while collecting early benefits could reduce them. @ad2b1c5e11c8 mentioned her husband is still running his business, so this could definitely apply to her situation too. One question - when you say the file-and-suspend strategy isn't available anymore, does that mean there are NO strategies left for married couples to optimize their benefits timing? I keep reading conflicting information online about what's still possible under current rules. Also, did you end up deciding to wait or claim early? Would love to hear what factors ultimately swayed your decision.
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