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Just wanted to add one more important detail that hasn't been mentioned yet - when you do make the switch from survivor benefits to your own retirement benefits at 67 or 70, you'll want to time it carefully based on your birthday month. If you're switching at your FRA (67), you can receive both benefits for the month you turn 67, then your own higher benefit going forward. But if you're waiting until 70, you'll continue getting survivor benefits until the month you turn 70, then switch to your own maximized benefit. Also, keep all your W-2s and pay stubs from your working months in 2025 - SSA may ask for documentation later to verify your earnings were properly calculated under the monthly test. Having everything organized will make any future interactions much smoother!

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This is excellent advice about timing the switch! I hadn't thought about the birthday month timing details. So if I decide to wait until 70, I would get survivor benefits through the month before I turn 70, then my own maximized retirement benefit starting the month I turn 70? That's really helpful to know for planning purposes. And yes, I'll definitely keep all my documentation organized - seems like having good records is crucial for avoiding any SSA complications down the road!

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Great question! I went through something very similar when I started collecting survivor benefits at 62. The key thing to remember is that SSA will ask you during your application whether you plan to work and what your expected monthly earnings will be after you start collecting benefits. When you tell them you're retiring in August and starting benefits in September, they should automatically apply the Monthly Earnings Test for your first year. But here's what I learned the hard way - don't just assume they'll do it correctly. After you apply, call them back about a month later to confirm they have you coded as "retired" and using the monthly test rather than the annual test. Also, since you mentioned you're still deciding between claiming your own benefits at 67 vs 70 - I'd recommend running the numbers on both scenarios. The survivor benefit might be higher than your own benefit even at 70 if your husband had significantly higher earnings. You can switch back and forth between survivor and your own retirement benefits to always take whichever is higher, but you can only make that election once per benefit type. The earnings limit confusion is real - the SSA website definitely could be clearer about these nuances!

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This is really valuable insight from someone who's been through the process! I hadn't thought about calling back to confirm they have me coded correctly - that seems like a smart safeguard against potential issues. Regarding switching between survivor and retirement benefits, I'm curious about the timing - when you say you can only make that election once per benefit type, does that mean if I switch from survivor to my own retirement benefit at 67, I couldn't switch back to survivor benefits later if circumstances changed? I want to make sure I understand the rules correctly before making any irreversible decisions. And you're absolutely right about running the numbers - I should probably get estimates for both scenarios before deciding on the timing. Thank you for sharing your experience!

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Thanks everyone for the advice. I tried that Claimyr service mentioned above and actually got through to SSA this morning! The agent said for my situation (I'm affected by WEP), I need to send a copy of my updated pension statement showing both the previous amount and new amount after COLA. She said I could either upload it through my MySocialSecurity Message Center (she walked me through where to find it) or fax it to my local office. She also made a note in my file that I called about this. Feeling much better now that I know what to do!

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Glad you got the information you needed! It's always best to document these interactions. I suggest uploading through the Message Center as it creates an automatic record in their system. Make sure to keep a copy of the statement you submit just in case there are any questions later.

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Great to hear you got through and got clear instructions! For others reading this thread, I want to emphasize what @NightOwl42 said about keeping copies. I've been dealing with SSA for years and documentation is EVERYTHING. When you upload through the Message Center, take a screenshot showing it was successfully submitted. If you fax, keep the transmission report. And always note down the date, time, and name of any agent you speak with. SSA's record-keeping isn't perfect, so having your own paper trail can save you major headaches down the road if there are any disputes later.

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This is such valuable advice! I'm new to dealing with SSA and pension reporting, but already learning that keeping detailed records is crucial. Quick question - when you take a screenshot of the Message Center upload, do you also need to save the actual confirmation number or receipt that shows up? And how long should we keep these records? I want to make sure I'm covering all my bases from the start rather than scrambling later like I've been doing with this COLA situation.

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As someone who's been researching this extensively for my own retirement planning, I can confirm what others have shared. The 2025 maximum benefit at FRA will likely be around $3,850-$3,900 per month. What really helped me understand this was creating a my Social Security account on ssa.gov - you can see your actual earnings record and get a personalized estimate based on your specific work history. This removes all the guesswork about whether you've truly maxed out your 35 highest-earning years. The online calculator also shows you exactly how much more you'd get by delaying to age 70 versus claiming at FRA, which can help with that difficult timing decision.

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That's really great advice about creating the my Social Security account! I just signed up after reading your comment and wow - seeing my actual earnings record laid out year by year was eye-opening. I had no idea some of my earlier career years were so much lower than I remembered. The personalized estimate feature is fantastic too. It's showing me that even though I've been earning above the taxable maximum for the past 10 years, some of my lower-earning years from the 90s are still being factored into my calculation. Thanks for the tip - this is so much more accurate than trying to estimate based on generic maximums!

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Just wanted to add a helpful tip for anyone still confused about this - you can actually request a detailed benefit calculation from SSA that shows exactly how they arrived at your specific maximum. When I did this for my planning, I learned that even though I thought I had 35 years of maximum earnings, a few years in the early 2000s were slightly below the cap due to job transitions. This meant my "maximum" benefit was actually about $150 less per month than the theoretical maximum everyone talks about. It's worth getting the precise calculation rather than assuming you'll get the full maximum just because you've had high earnings. The SSA rep explained that very few people actually achieve the true maximum because it requires hitting or exceeding the taxable wage base for exactly 35 years with no gaps or lower-earning years mixed in.

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Mei Liu

This is such valuable insight, thank you for sharing! I had no idea that getting the detailed calculation could reveal those kinds of nuances. Your point about job transitions affecting the maximum is really important - I went through a career change in 2008 and took a significant pay cut for about 18 months while transitioning industries. I always assumed that since I've been at max earnings for the past 12+ years, I'd hit the theoretical maximum, but now I'm wondering if those transition years are dragging down my calculation. How did you go about requesting that detailed breakdown from SSA? Was it something you could get through the online portal or did you have to call? And did they provide it quickly or was there a waiting period? This could really help me make a more informed decision about when to claim.

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I just went through this process last fall and wanted to share my experience! I initially planned to apply online but ended up scheduling a phone appointment after reading about the spousal benefit complications, and I'm so glad I did. The SSA representative was incredibly helpful - she not only processed my retirement application but also helped us figure out that my husband would indeed benefit from filing for spousal benefits (he had been receiving his own small benefit for a few years). She was able to get his spousal benefit application submitted during the same call, which saved us weeks of back-and-forth. One thing I learned: even though spousal benefits can be backdated up to 6 months, it's much smoother if you coordinate both applications at the same time. The rep told me she sees a lot of people miss this coordination step when they apply online. To answer your original question - I'd definitely recommend the phone appointment route given your wife's situation. Yes, it might take a bit longer to get scheduled, but having an expert walk you through both applications simultaneously is worth it. Plus, you'll have documentation of exactly what was discussed and when applications were submitted.

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This is incredibly helpful! I'm in almost the exact same situation as the original poster - reaching FRA soon and my spouse has been collecting for a couple years. Your experience with the phone appointment sounds like exactly what I need. Did you have to wait long to get the appointment scheduled? I keep hearing mixed things about how backed up SSA is right now. Also, when you say the spousal benefits can be backdated 6 months - does that mean if there's a delay in processing, my spouse won't lose out on payments?

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I'm approaching my FRA in a few months too and have been researching this exact question! Based on everything I've read here and elsewhere, it really sounds like the phone appointment is the way to go when spousal benefits are involved. What I've learned from similar situations: the online application is great for straightforward cases, but when you have coordination between spouses, having a real person walk you through both applications simultaneously prevents a lot of potential issues down the line. One thing I'd add - make sure you ask the SSA rep to confirm the effective dates for both your retirement benefit and your wife's potential spousal benefit increase during the call. I've seen cases where there were delays or confusion about when payments should start, and having everything documented in one conversation seems to help avoid those problems. Also, regarding the math on whether your wife will benefit - the SSA rep should be able to calculate this for you on the spot if you have both of your benefit estimates handy. Don't stress too much about doing the calculations yourself beforehand. Good luck with your application! It's exciting to finally reach this milestone after all the planning.

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when you call ssa make sure you write down EVERYTHING they tell you!!! my aunt got different answers from 3 different people! also they backdate survivor benefits to the month of death if you file within 6 months

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AstroAce

That's a great tip about writing everything down. I'll definitely do that. I'm a little worried about having to defend my case if I get someone who doesn't understand the rules correctly.

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I'm so sorry for your loss. This is actually a perfect example of why it's crucial to understand all your Social Security options - you're in an ideal position to maximize your benefits using the survivor strategy everyone's mentioned. Since you haven't filed for your own retirement benefits yet, you have complete flexibility. At 67, you're past the survivor FRA (66 and 8 months for your birth year), so you can claim 100% of your ex-husband's benefit immediately with no reduction. Then let your own retirement benefit grow those delayed retirement credits until age 70. One thing I'd add - when you call SSA, if the first person seems confused about this strategy, politely end the call and try again. Unfortunately, not all representatives are familiar with the survivor benefit rules, and you don't want to get locked into the wrong benefit by accident. The magic phrase is "I want to file a restricted application for survivor benefits only." Also, gather all your documents first: death certificate, marriage certificate, divorce decree, and your birth certificate. Having everything ready will make the process smoother. Good luck navigating this - you're making a smart financial move during what I'm sure is a difficult time.

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Thank you for the condolences and the clear explanation. I really appreciate the "magic phrase" tip - "I want to file a restricted application for survivor benefits only." I'm going to write that down and practice saying it before I call. It sounds like having the right terminology is crucial to getting someone who understands what I'm trying to do. I've already started gathering the documents you mentioned, though I'm still waiting for the official death certificate to arrive. Do you think it's worth calling SSA now to at least get the process started, or should I wait until I have everything in hand?

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