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Will cashing out $11,500 IRA affect taxation of my Survivor Benefits at FRA? Worried about IRMAA

Just trying to figure out if I'm going to get hit with taxes on BOTH sides here. I'm on Survivor Benefits getting $1,253.80/month ($15,045.60 for the year). I'm reaching my Full Retirement Age in December this year. I have this annuity IRA worth about $11,500 that I need to cash out because of some unexpected home repairs. I know I'll pay taxes on the IRA distribution, but will this also make my Social Security benefits taxable? How much can I withdraw without triggering taxes on my SS benefits? And will this affect that IRMAA Medicare thing I keep hearing about? Really don't want to mess up and pay more than I need to!

Whether your Social Security benefits are taxable depends on your "combined income." That's your adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of your SS benefits. For single filers: - If combined income is between $25,000-$34,000, up to 50% of benefits may be taxable - If combined income exceeds $34,000, up to 85% of benefits may be taxable So, do the math: $11,500 (IRA distribution) + $7,522.80 (half your SS) = $19,022.80. If you have no other income, you're still under the $25,000 threshold so your SS should remain tax-free. But any other income could push you over. As for IRMAA, that's based on your income from 2 years prior when you first enroll in Medicare. So this withdrawal would affect your IRMAA in 2027, not immediately.

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This is kinda confusing...so ur saying they wont get taxed now but will later?? My mom had the same problem when she cashed out her 401k and ended up owing so much $$$!!!

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Thanks for the clear explanation! I was worried I'd go over some limit. So if I understand correctly, as long as my total combined income stays under $25,000, my SS benefits won't be taxed. What about next year? Will this IRA distribution affect anything then? And does it matter if I take it all at once or spread it out?

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That's correct about the $25,000 threshold. The IRA distribution only affects the tax year in which you take it. If you take it all in 2025, it only affects your 2025 taxes. If you're concerned about hitting the threshold, you could split the distribution across two tax years (December 2025 and January 2026) to keep your income lower in each year. Regarding IRMAA, it's calculated based on your income from 2 years ago. So a 2025 withdrawal would potentially affect your 2027 Medicare premiums if it pushes you over the IRMAA threshold (which starts at $103,000 for single filers in 2024, likely slightly higher by 2027). With your numbers, you're nowhere near IRMAA territory, so I wouldn't worry about that.

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had this same problem last yr when i cashed out a small ira. the taxes were a mess! my ss didnt get taxed tho cuz i was under the limit. make sure you have them withhold taxes on the ira when u cash it out!!!! learned that the hard way

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Oh that's a good point about withholding! I hadn't even thought about that. Did you have to specify a percentage or amount when you cashed yours out?

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Just wanted to point out - be very careful with how this affects ACA healthcare subsidies if you're on those until Medicare kicks in. My sister lost $4,700 in premium tax credits when she took an IRA distribution that pushed her over an income cliff. The withdrawal timing can make a HUGE difference depending on your healthcare situation.

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I'm already on Medicare Part A but thanks for bringing that up! I've heard horror stories about people losing their subsidies. It's ridiculous how complicated they make all this.

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social security taxation is HORRIBLE!!!!! the government already took our money once when we earned it, then they take it AGAIN when we get our benefits. its DOUBLE TAXATION and should be ILLEGAL!!!!

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Just to clarify, they're not taxing your Social Security contributions again. The taxation is on the benefits, which often exceed what you paid in, especially for survivor benefits. But I understand the frustration - the system is complicated and it can feel like you're being taxed repeatedly.

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my neighbor said she didnt have to pay taxes on her ss at all no matter how much she made from other stuff. is that right??

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Your neighbor is mistaken. Social Security benefits can definitely be taxable depending on your combined income. The rules are exactly as described in the earlier comments - up to 50% taxable if your combined income is between $25,000-$34,000 (single), and up to 85% taxable if over $34,000. Many people don't have their benefits taxed simply because their total income falls below these thresholds.

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Also worth noting that different states treat Social Security benefits differently for state income tax purposes. Some states don't tax Social Security at all, while others follow the federal rules or have their own formulas. What state are you in? That could affect your overall tax situation.

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I'm in Pennsylvania. I think they don't tax Social Security benefits here, but I'm not 100% sure. I should probably check with a tax professional to be certain about the state tax implications too.

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After reviewing the numbers again, you should be fine for federal taxes on your SS benefits as long as you don't have other significant income sources this year. To avoid surprises, consider having 10-15% withheld from your IRA distribution for federal taxes. The financial institution will have a form for this. This way you won't face an unexpected tax bill next April. And Pennsylvania, where you mentioned you live, does NOT tax Social Security benefits or retirement account distributions if you're over 59½, so you're set on the state tax front as well.

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That's such a relief to hear about PA not taxing either one! I'll definitely have some taxes withheld from the IRA distribution to be safe. Thanks to everyone for all this helpful information - you've saved me so much stress!

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