Tax planning for 2025 if retiring end of 2024 - Social Security taxation questions
I'm trying to get my head around our estimated taxes for next year (2025) if I retire at the end of this year (2024). If I retire on 12/31/24 and start collecting Social Security, my SSI will be approximately $37,500 for the year of 2025. My wife has a part-time job and will gross about $34,000. We're planning to withdraw roughly $15,000 on top of that, but only from a Roth IRA. My questions are: - Would any portion of my Social Security benefits be taxable for Federal Income Tax? (I'm in PA, and as I understand it, there's no state tax on SSI here) - What would be an estimated Federal Income Tax on our entire income with these numbers? - Should my wife continue having Federal taxes withheld from her paychecks? Just trying to do some planning, but the tax implications are really confusing! Thanks for any help you can provide!
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Carmen Vega
Based on your numbers, there's a good chance part of your Social Security will be taxable federally. The IRS has a specific calculation for this. For married filing jointly, you need to take half your Social Security benefits ($18,750) and add it to your other income ($34,000 from your wife's job + any taxable interest). Since your Roth IRA withdrawals are generally tax-free, they don't count here. If this total exceeds $32,000, then some of your Social Security becomes taxable. With your numbers, you're likely over that threshold, so up to 85% of your benefits could be taxable. But don't panic - it doesn't mean 85% tax rate, just that percentage of your benefits gets added to your taxable income. For your wife's withholding - yes, she should definitely continue having taxes withheld. You could also consider making quarterly estimated tax payments if needed. TurboTax or other tax software can help you run these numbers more precisely. Just input your expected income and it'll give you a better estimate of what you'll owe.
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Yuki Kobayashi
•Thank you for the detailed response! Do you know roughly how much of my Social Security might be taxable in this scenario? And if we decided to withdraw less from the Roth, would that change anything since Roth distributions aren't taxable?
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Carmen Vega
•Based on your specific numbers (wife's income of $34,000 + half your SS of $18,750), you'd be at $52,750, which is well above the $32,000 threshold. Since you're also above the $44,000 threshold, up to 85% of your Social Security (around $31,875) could be included in your taxable income. Withdrawing less from your Roth actually wouldn't change your tax situation since qualified Roth distributions aren't included in the calculation for Social Security taxation. Roth withdrawals are one of the few income sources that don't affect your Social Security tax situation, which makes them especially valuable in retirement.
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Andre Rousseau
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•Does it handle state taxes too? I'm in Nebraska and they tax social security differently than the feds, plus I have rental income that complicates everything.
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Amara Okafor
Here's something else to consider - Medicare premiums! If your combined income (including half of SS) goes over certain thresholds, your Medicare Part B and D premiums can increase substantially through something called IRMAA (Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount). For 2024, the first threshold for married filing jointly is $206,000. Doesn't sound like you're near that with the numbers you shared, but it's something to keep in mind if you ever decide to do larger Roth conversions or have other income sources.
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Yuki Kobayashi
•I hadn't even thought about Medicare premiums! We're definitely not near that $206,000 threshold, but this is really good to know for future planning. Are there other thresholds below that amount that might affect us?
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Amara Okafor
•The IRMAA thresholds actually start much lower than $206,000. The first threshold for 2024 for married filing jointly is $194,000 (for 2025 it will likely be a bit higher with inflation adjustments). At that level, your Part B premium increases from the standard amount. There are several tiers: $194,000-$246,000, $246,000-$306,000, $306,000-$366,000, $366,000-$750,000, and over $750,000. Each tier increases your Medicare premiums more. Even the first tier adds about $70/month per person to your Medicare costs, so it's definitely something to watch if your income might fluctuate from year to year.
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Giovanni Colombo
Don't forget about Required Minimum Distributions! Since you mentioned only withdrawing from Roth accounts now, I'm assuming you might have traditional IRAs or 401ks too? Once you hit 73, you HAVE to start taking RMDs from those accounts, which could push more of your Social Security into taxable territory in future years. Might be worth considering some Roth conversions now if you're in a lower tax bracket.
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
•This is great advice. I did this exact thing - strategic Roth conversions for 3 years between retirement and when my RMDs kicked in. Saved a ton on lifetime taxes and now almost none of my SS is taxable.
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StarStrider
Just a heads-up on PA taxes - while PA doesn't tax Social Security, they DO tax distributions from IRAs, 401ks and other retirement accounts (except military). Even if you paid PA tax on the money when you contributed, they tax it again when you withdraw. One of the few states that does this. Roth withdrawals are the exception since they're federally tax-free. So your strategy of using Roth money is smart from a PA perspective too!
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