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Great to see this got resolved! Just want to emphasize one more important point for anyone else reading this thread: if you're planning large withdrawals from retirement accounts or annuities, consider spreading them across multiple years if possible. While they won't affect your Social Security benefit amount, bunching large withdrawals into one year can push you into higher tax brackets and increase the taxation of your SS benefits significantly. A tax professional can help you strategize the timing to minimize the overall tax impact.
That's excellent advice about spreading out withdrawals! I hadn't thought about the tax bracket implications. Since I'm planning to withdraw $15,000 this year and potentially more in future years, it sounds like I should definitely consult with a tax professional to see if there's a better strategy. Better to plan ahead than get hit with a big tax surprise later. Thanks for adding that perspective!
As someone who works in retirement planning, I want to add one more clarification that might help others: the Social Security Administration has a very specific definition of "earnings" that only includes wages from employment (W-2 income) and net earnings from self-employment. This is clearly outlined in their Publication 05-10069 "How Work Affects Your Benefits." What does NOT count as earnings for the Social Security earnings test: - Annuity payments - Pension benefits - IRA/401(k) withdrawals - Investment income (interest, dividends, capital gains) - Rental income - Social Security benefits themselves The confusion often comes from the fact that these same income sources DO count for determining if your Social Security benefits are taxable - but that's handled by the IRS, not SSA, and it's a completely separate calculation. Owen, you're absolutely safe withdrawing from your annuity without affecting your monthly benefit amount. Just keep good records for tax purposes!
This is incredibly helpful information! Thank you for breaking down exactly what does and doesn't count as "earnings" for SSA purposes. Having that publication reference (05-10069) is great too - I can look that up for the official details. It's really reassuring to see this confirmed by someone who works in retirement planning. I was getting so stressed about this whole situation, but now I feel confident moving forward with my annuity withdrawal. The distinction between the SSA earnings test and IRS taxation rules was the key piece I was missing. Really appreciate everyone's help in this thread!
The WHOLE SYSTEM is designed to be confusing on purpose!!! They don't want us to understand how our benefits are calculated because then we might realize we're not getting what we deserve after paying in our whole lives!!!!
Just want to add that if you're looking for a really detailed breakdown of how AWI indexing works, SSA Publication 05-10070 "How Work Affects Your Benefits" has some good examples with actual numbers. You can download it from their website. Also, one thing I learned the hard way - make sure you're checking your earnings record on your my Social Security account regularly. I found errors in mine from jobs I had in the 1990s that would have affected my indexing calculation. You have limited time to correct these, so don't wait until you're ready to retire! For planning purposes, the online estimator is pretty accurate if your earnings record is correct. But if you want to really understand the math behind it, those AWI tables and the PIA formula are worth studying.
This is really helpful advice about checking your earnings record! I had no idea there was a time limit on correcting errors. How far back can you typically go to fix mistakes in your earnings history? And do you know if SSA automatically catches discrepancies when employers report wages, or is it really up to us to spot these errors ourselves?
I'm in a very similar boat as a retired teacher from California! I worked 28 years in public schools but also had about 12 years of Social Security-covered employment before and during my teaching career. My WEP reduction cut my SS benefit to about $520/month when it should have been around $1,400. After reading all these responses, I'm convinced that applying for spousal benefits now is the right move. My spouse gets $2,100/month from SS, so even with my WEP reduction, the spousal benefit should bump me up significantly while we wait for the Fairness Act changes to kick in. One thing I learned from calling SSA multiple times is that they said the WEP relief will be retroactive to January 2024, so there should be a nice lump sum back payment coming eventually. But like others mentioned, their systems are really backed up right now, so who knows how long that will take. Go ahead with your March appointment - you've got nothing to lose and potentially hundreds of dollars per month to gain while waiting for the bigger WEP relief!
Thanks for sharing your situation - it's really reassuring to hear from someone in almost the exact same position! The retroactive back payments to January 2024 sound like they could be substantial. I'm curious, when you called SSA about this, did they give you any sense of timeline for when the WEP relief might actually start showing up? I know the law passed recently but I haven't seen much about implementation dates. Either way, you're right that getting the spousal benefits flowing now makes total sense while we wait for the bigger changes.
I'm a retired teacher from Ohio dealing with a very similar WEP situation. My husband and I went through this decision process just last month, and I wanted to share what we learned from our SSA representative. The key thing they explained to us is that the Social Security Fairness Act relief will be processed automatically for ALL affected beneficiaries - meaning you don't need to apply for it separately, and it doesn't matter what other benefits you're currently receiving. Your WEP adjustment will happen based on your primary earnings record regardless of whether you're also getting spousal benefits. What really helped us decide was when the rep calculated the numbers during our call. My reduced WEP benefit was around $380/month, but switching to spousal benefits (50% of my husband's $2,200 benefit) immediately jumped me to $1,100/month. That extra $720 per month while waiting for WEP relief was too significant to pass up. When the Fairness Act changes eventually kick in and my primary benefit increases above the spousal amount, I'll automatically be switched back to my own higher benefit plus any back payments owed. The system is designed to always pay you the highest amount you qualify for. Definitely keep that March appointment - the financial benefit of starting spousal payments now far outweighs any theoretical complications.
This is exactly the kind of detailed breakdown I was hoping to see! The numbers you shared really put things in perspective - that $720 monthly increase while waiting for WEP relief is substantial. It sounds like you had a really knowledgeable rep who took the time to walk through the calculations with you. I'm feeling much more confident about our March appointment now. Did they give you any estimate on how long it typically takes for the spousal benefits to start showing up once you complete the application process?
Thank you everyone for the helpful responses! I called SSA again today and specifically asked for a Technical Expert as suggested. I explained the difference between withdrawal and non-claim (which the first rep didn't seem to understand). After being transferred, the TE confirmed that since I hadn't received any payments yet, I could indeed file for a non-claim! I'll be sending a written statement to make it official. Such a relief. I plan to maximize my LTD until October and then reassess my options. This forum has been incredibly helpful - I was getting nowhere with the standard SSA phone line. Thanks again to everyone who shared their experiences and knowledge!
That's fantastic news! I'm so glad you were able to get this resolved. Your experience really highlights how important it is to know the right terminology when dealing with SSA - the difference between "withdrawal" and "non-claim" seems to be something many reps don't fully understand. Your story will definitely help others who might find themselves in similar situations. It's a good reminder that persistence pays off, and sometimes you just need to find the right person who knows the system. Best of luck with your LTD benefits through October!
Khalil Urso
Just wanted to follow up - did you get this resolved? What did your attorney say?
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Nasira Ibanez
•Yes! I got my doctor to write a detailed letter explaining why travel would worsen my condition, and my attorney submitted a formal accommodation request. I just heard back yesterday that my telephone hearing has been approved. Such a relief! Thanks everyone for the guidance.
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Carmen Ortiz
That's fantastic news! So glad to hear your accommodation was approved. Your experience really reinforces what others have said here - having proper medical documentation makes all the difference. This thread will be really helpful for other people facing the same situation. Best of luck with your hearing in May!
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