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Just wanted to add one more thing that might be helpful - make sure you bring documentation showing continuous care and support during those 7 years of custody. Things like medical records listing you as guardians, school enrollment forms with your address, insurance cards if she was on your plan, etc. While the adoption decree legally establishes the relationship, SSA sometimes wants to see that pattern of dependency was already established. Also, if your husband has any other children receiving benefits on his record (biological or adopted), that will affect the family maximum calculation. But if this great-niece will be his only dependent child, she should get the full 50% rate. The whole process is definitely overwhelming, but you're doing great by preparing ahead of time!

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This is such great advice about documenting the continuous care! I never thought about bringing insurance cards or school records, but that makes perfect sense to show the established dependency relationship. It's reassuring to hear that if she's the only dependent child, she should get the full 50% rate. We've been her primary caregivers for so long that we have tons of documentation - medical records, school stuff, even things like library cards with our address. Thank you for mentioning this, it gives me confidence we're on the right track with our preparation!

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is timing - you'll want to apply within a reasonable time after the adoption is finalized, ideally within 30 days. While there's no strict deadline, SSA can be particular about delays. Also, make sure you get a certified copy of the adoption decree, not just a regular copy. The court clerk can provide this. If your husband's SSDI started before age 62, the family maximum formula is actually more generous than for regular retirement benefits - it's typically around 85% of his PIA rather than the lower percentages that apply to retirement. This could mean your great-niece gets a higher benefit amount. One last tip: when you call to schedule the appointment, ask specifically what documents they want you to bring. Different offices sometimes have slightly different requirements, and it's better to confirm upfront than make multiple trips!

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Social Security mistakenly deposited large amount after I gave up guardianship - how do I return it without a 4-hour office visit?

My sister receives $165/month from Social Security and has been in an assisted living facility since February. I was her representative payee until last month when I arranged for the facility to take over managing her SS benefits through their resident trust account. Made sense to close the joint bank account we shared and let them handle her monthly allowance directly. But here's the crazy situation - RIGHT after I was removed as payee, Social Security deposited a massive amount (over $9,400!) into our joint account that's still open. I immediately called SSA to report their mistake, but they refused to speak with me since I'm no longer her payee! I kept explaining I was trying to RETURN their money but the agent wouldn't budge. The facility administrator managed to call and confirm with SSA that it was indeed an error. But their "solution" is ridiculous - they want me to: 1) Drive to my bank (45 mins away) to get a cashier's check made out to SSA 2) Drive to the nearest SS office (almost 2 hours each way) to physically hand them the check This is completely unreasonable! I'm also caring for my 92-year-old father at home who needs constant supervision. Taking a full day for their mistake just isn't possible. Can't they just withdraw the funds electronically since THEY made the deposit error? Or let me mail the check to them? I'm worried about getting threatening overpayment letters if this drags on, but there has to be a better solution than wasting an entire day at a Social Security office because of THEIR mistake. Any advice on how to resolve this without the road trip from hell?

Based on your latest responses, I think you've got a good plan forming. To summarize the best approach: 1. Use Claimyr to get through to SSA quickly (worth it to avoid hours of hold time) 2. Ask specifically for a Title II Claims Specialist about direct deposit reclamation 3. Request the DD-RTN form process as mentioned by the former SSA employee 4. Keep detailed records of all communications 5. Follow up with the facility administrator since they're now the official payee This combined approach gives you the best chance of resolving this efficiently. Please let us know how it goes - your experience might help others in similar situations.

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Thank you for summarizing this so clearly! I'll update once I get this resolved. Everyone's advice has been incredibly helpful and given me a much clearer path forward than what I started with.

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I just went through something similar with my mom's benefits last year! The key thing that worked for me was being persistent about getting to the right department. Regular customer service reps often don't handle these specialized situations. One tip that might help - when you call, immediately say "I need to speak with someone about returning an incorrect Social Security payment made after a representative payee change." This usually gets you transferred faster than explaining the whole situation to the first person. Also, if the facility is now the official payee, they actually have more authority to resolve this than you do. They can request that SSA process the return directly since it was deposited to the wrong account after the payee change was already in their system. The facility administrator should be pushing harder on this - it's literally their job now! Keep us posted on how the DD-RTN process works out. Your situation could really help others who get stuck in this same bureaucratic mess.

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Just FYI - make sure he brings TWO forms of ID when he goes to apply after he gets out. My relative forgot his second ID and they made him come back which was a whole other ordeal with transportation and taking more time off work.

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That's a great practical tip, thank you! I'll make sure he knows he needs multiple forms of ID. I bet getting proper identification after being released is a whole challenge in itself.

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One thing that might help prepare for his eventual application is to start gathering the necessary documents now while you have time to track them down. You'll need certified copies of his wife's death certificate, their marriage certificate, and his birth certificate at minimum. Getting these documents can take weeks or months depending on which states/counties they were issued in, and it's much easier to do this legwork now rather than scrambling after his release when he's dealing with other reentry challenges. Some states have online ordering systems for vital records, while others require mail-in applications. Also consider getting multiple certified copies since Social Security often wants to keep the originals for their files.

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This is excellent advice! I hadn't thought about how long it might take to get all those documents. Starting now makes total sense since he has 2 years left. Do you know if there are any other documents I should be collecting while I have time? Also, when you mention getting multiple certified copies - how many would you recommend? I want to make sure I have enough but don't want to waste money ordering more than necessary.

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For additional documents, you might also want to get copies of her Social Security earnings record (Form SSA-7050-F4) if possible, though that might be trickier to obtain as a third party. As for certified copies, I'd recommend getting 3-4 copies of each vital document. Social Security typically keeps one, but sometimes you need extras if there are any issues with the application or if other agencies need copies during his reentry process. It's usually cheaper to order multiple copies at once rather than going back for more later. Some states charge per copy while others have a flat fee regardless of quantity, so check the pricing structure before ordering.

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Thanks everyone for all the helpful responses! To summarize what I'm understanding: 1. Income counts when it's paid, not earned, so my December work paid in January counts for 2025 2. I need to check with my employer about how they'll report it on my W-2 3. I still need to be careful about the monthly limit of $1,860 for the rest of 2024 This is such a relief - I was so worried about going over the annual limit and losing benefits. I'll talk to my payroll department tomorrow to confirm how they handle end-of-year pay periods. Really appreciate all the knowledge here!

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That's a perfect summary. Good luck with the extra shifts!

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Great to see you got such thorough answers! Just wanted to add one more thing that might be helpful - keep detailed records of when you worked those December hours vs when you received payment. If there's ever any confusion with SSA down the line, having documentation showing the work dates and pay dates can save you a lot of headaches. I learned this the hard way when I had to prove timing of my earnings a few years back. Also, don't forget to factor in any overtime rates when calculating if you'll stay under that monthly limit in December!

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That's excellent advice about keeping detailed records! I definitely learned from this thread that documentation is key with Social Security issues. I'll make sure to save my December timesheet and the January paystub showing the exact dates. And good point about overtime - I hadn't thought about that potentially pushing me over the monthly limit even with regular hours. Thanks for thinking of that detail!

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btw has anyone noticed how the COLA this year is a joke?? 3.2% when groceries go up like 20%??? not related to your question sorry just mad about it lol

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EXACTLY!!! The COLAs are RIGGED too! They use some fake inflation number that doesn't include REAL costs like healthcare and food that seniors actually buy!!! It's all part of the same corrupt system!!!!

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As someone new to this community, I want to thank everyone for sharing their experiences and knowledge. This is exactly the kind of information I've been struggling to find elsewhere! @Sean Matthews - your situation sounds very similar to mine. I'm 61 and facing the same decision. From what I'm reading here, it seems like the key is getting your specific numbers calculated rather than relying on general rules. One thing I learned from my research is that there's also something called "restricted application" that used to be available, but it was phased out for people born after 1954. So that strategy isn't available to us unfortunately. Also, I noticed several people mentioned the difficulty reaching SSA by phone. Has anyone tried visiting a local SSA office in person? I'm wondering if that might be more effective than calling, even though it means taking time off work. The survivor benefit information from @Ali Anderson is really valuable too - I hadn't considered how that might change the equation. It makes me think we really need professional help to model out all these different scenarios.

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Welcome to the community @Astrid Bergström! You're absolutely right that getting specific numbers is crucial. I actually did try visiting my local SSA office a few months ago, and while I did eventually get to speak with someone, the wait was still about 2.5 hours even with an appointment. The agent was helpful though and could pull up my actual earnings record on the spot. One thing they told me that I hadn't realized is that the online calculators can sometimes be off if you have any gaps in your earnings history or if you've had name changes. The in-person visit helped clarify some discrepancies I was seeing. You're also right about the restricted application - that would have been perfect for our situation but unfortunately we missed that window. It's frustrating how the rules keep changing! @Sean Matthews - since we re'in similar situations, maybe we should both look into that Claimyr service @Declan Ramirez mentioned? I m definitely'leaning toward getting professional help at this point rather than trying to figure this out on my own.

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