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Has anyone used TurboTax for this? I'm filing for the first time too and wondering if it asks for exact days or gives you some kinda calculator to figure it out.
I used TurboTax last year and it does ask for days worked in some situations, especially if you moved between states or worked in multiple states. It doesn't have a built-in calculator, it just has a field where you input the number. I ended up counting days from my calendar where I'd marked my shifts.
I went through this exact same situation last year! For my irregular retail schedule, I ended up creating a simple spreadsheet where I listed each month and estimated how many days I typically worked based on what I could remember. I looked at my bank account to see when I got paid (usually every two weeks) and worked backwards from there. Like if I got paid on the 15th and 30th, I knew I probably worked most days in the two weeks leading up to each payday. Also check if your employer has an online portal or app - mine had all my old schedules going back months that I completely forgot about! Even if you can't find exact records, the IRS accepts reasonable estimates as long as you're making a good faith effort. Don't stress too much about being off by a few days here and there.
This discussion has been absolutely invaluable for understanding this complex situation! As a newcomer to the community, I'm dealing with almost the identical scenario with my 20-year-old daughter who's in college and lives at home. What really resonates with me is how many families initially assume they're providing most support, only to discover through proper calculation that their student is actually more independent than expected. The consistent emphasis on student loans being counted as support the student provides for themselves is something I completely overlooked initially. My daughter has about $15,000 in student loans this year and earns roughly $6,500 from her part-time job. Reading through everyone's methodical approaches, I'm realizing I need to create that comprehensive support worksheet using IRS Publication 501 and properly calculate fair market rental value for her housing. The recurring theme throughout this thread about following actual IRS rules rather than just optimizing for tax benefits gives me confidence there's a legitimate path forward. I appreciate how this community focuses on doing things correctly while helping families understand their options within the proper guidelines. I'm planning to research comparable room rentals in our area and create a detailed monthly breakdown of all support sources. The documentation advice from those who've been through audits is particularly valuable - better to be thorough upfront than deal with complications later. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences and practical guidance. This discussion has provided exactly the roadmap I needed to work through our situation properly!
Welcome to the community! Your situation with $15,000 in student loans and $6,500 in work earnings definitely sounds promising for independence qualification. Like many others here have discovered, that $21,500 is already a substantial amount toward the support test before even factoring in personal expenses and housing calculations. As a newcomer myself, I've found this thread incredibly educational. The systematic approach everyone's describing - using the IRS Publication 501 worksheet, researching actual rental comparisons, and maintaining detailed documentation - seems like the most reliable way to navigate this transition properly. One thing that's given me confidence throughout this discussion is seeing how many families have successfully made this transition by simply following the rules correctly rather than trying to find loopholes. When the math legitimately shows independence, the tax benefits are just a natural result of proper compliance. I'm planning to tackle my own support worksheet this weekend using all the guidance shared here. It's reassuring to be part of a community that prioritizes doing things right while helping each other understand these complex rules. Best of luck with your calculations - it sounds like you're well-positioned to find that your daughter qualifies as independent when you run the numbers properly!
As a newcomer to this community, I'm so grateful to have found this incredibly thorough discussion! I'm facing the exact same situation with my 19-year-old daughter who just started her sophomore year of college. Like many families here, I initially assumed I was providing most of her support since she lives at home during breaks and I pay for things like car insurance and her phone. But reading through everyone's detailed breakdowns has made me realize I need to calculate this much more systematically. My daughter has about $11,000 in student loans this year and earned around $5,800 from her campus job. She also pays for most of her personal expenses - textbooks, clothes, gas, entertainment, and food when she's at school. When I start adding it all up using the approach many of you described, it might actually put her over that 50% support threshold. What really stands out to me is the consistent emphasis throughout this thread on following the actual IRS rules correctly rather than just choosing what's most tax-beneficial. As someone new to navigating these situations, that approach gives me confidence there's a legitimate way to handle this transition properly. I'm planning to create that comprehensive support worksheet using IRS Publication 501 that everyone keeps mentioning, and I'll research fair market rental values in our area for the housing calculation. The documentation advice from those who've experienced audits is particularly valuable - clearly it's better to be thorough from the start. Thank you to this entire community for sharing such practical, honest guidance. This discussion has given me exactly the roadmap I needed to work through our situation within the proper tax guidelines!
Has anyone actually tried to submit an amendment past the 3 years just to see what happens? I'm curious if they automatically reject it or if there's some review process where they might consider special circumstances.
I tried filing a 4-year-old amendment for a missed education credit. They processed the amendment (meaning they acknowledged receiving it), but then sent a letter stating they couldn't issue a refund due to the statute of limitations. They didn't review the actual merits of my claim at all.
I'm sorry to say this, but based on everything discussed here, your mother is unfortunately outside the refund window for her 2018 medical expenses. The 3-year statute ran out in April 2022 (assuming she filed by the original due date in 2019). However, don't give up entirely on tax savings! A few things to consider: 1. **Future planning**: Make sure you're tracking all her ongoing medical expenses for current and future tax years. If she's still having significant medical costs, you don't want to miss them again. 2. **State taxes**: Some states have different amendment periods than federal. It might be worth checking if your state allows longer amendment windows. 3. **Other missed deductions**: While you're reviewing her situation, check if there are any other deductions or credits from more recent years (2021-2024) that might have been missed and are still within the amendment window. The $12K potential refund stings, but unfortunately the IRS is extremely rigid about these deadlines. Even filing the amendment now would likely just result in a rejection letter citing the statute of limitations. Better to focus that energy on making sure nothing gets missed going forward.
This is really helpful advice, especially about checking state amendment periods and reviewing more recent years. One question though - if someone discovers they've been consistently missing the same type of deduction for multiple years (like medical expenses), would it make sense to amend all the years that are still within the window at once, or should you do them one at a time to avoid drawing attention?
Has anyone here tried using accounting software like QuickBooks Self-Employed? I'm wondering if it actually helps with the tax calculations or if it's just for tracking expenses?
I use QuickBooks Self-Employed and it does help with tax estimates. It tracks your income and expenses, categorizes them, and then calculates your estimated quarterly taxes. It's pretty good but not perfect - sometimes it doesn't account for all the deductions you might be eligible for. The best part is it connects to my bank account and credit cards to automatically import transactions, which saves me tons of time on bookkeeping. That alone makes it worth it for me.
As someone who's been self-employed for over 5 years, I completely understand your frustration! The key thing to remember is that you're not just paying income tax on your freelance income - you're also paying self-employment tax (Social Security and Medicare) which is 15.3% on top of your regular income tax. Here's what worked for me: I set aside 30% of every payment I receive and put it in a separate high-yield savings account that I never touch except for tax payments. Yes, it might be slightly more than you need, but it's better to have a refund than owe money plus penalties. For your situation making $56K as a freelancer with a spouse earning $47K, you'll likely be in the 22% tax bracket for federal income tax, plus the 15.3% self-employment tax. Don't forget you can deduct the employer portion of SE tax (7.65%) and any business expenses like your home office, equipment, software, etc. The IRS calculator might be showing you're overpaying because it's factoring in your husband's W-2 withholdings. If he's having extra withheld or getting refunds, that can offset what you owe. You might want to adjust his withholdings to account for your self-employment income instead of making such large quarterly payments.
This is really helpful, especially the point about the self-employment tax on top of income tax - I don't think I was fully accounting for that 15.3%! The separate savings account approach makes a lot of sense too. Quick question about adjusting my husband's withholdings - how would we figure out the right amount to have him withhold extra to cover my self-employment taxes? Is there a worksheet or calculator for that, or should we just estimate based on what I typically owe each quarter?
Liam Mendez
I'm in the exact same boat as all of you! Just formed my single-member LLC for my digital marketing consultancy last month and have been absolutely stressed about those automated IRS notices. I haven't made any income or hired employees, but those Form 941 letters made me think I was already behind on critical filings. This entire thread has been such a relief - I had no clue that the IRS automatically sends these notices to everyone with an EIN regardless of actual filing requirements. I've been panicking for weeks thinking I somehow botched my EIN application! I've been meticulously tracking all my startup costs (business registration fees, marketing tools, laptop, professional certifications) but wasn't sure it was worth the effort with zero revenue. Learning about that $5,000 startup expense deduction definitely validates my record-keeping efforts. Calling that IRS Business & Specialty Tax Line tomorrow to update my account and stop these scary notices. It's incredible how universal this confusion is among new single-member LLC owners. Thank you everyone for sharing your experiences - this community has been invaluable for navigating these intimidating tax waters as a first-time business owner!
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Lydia Santiago
β’I'm so glad you found this thread too! It's honestly comforting to see how many of us new LLC owners have gone through this exact same panic about those automated IRS notices. When I first got mine, I thought I was the only one who was completely clueless about Form 941 requirements! Your approach with tracking all those startup expenses is really smart - business registration, marketing tools, and professional certifications are exactly the types of legitimate costs that could add up to meaningful deductions once your consultancy starts generating revenue. The fact that you're being so organized from day one shows you're setting yourself up for success. When you call that IRS business line tomorrow, I'd suggest having your EIN letter handy and maybe jotting down a simple explanation like "single-member LLC, no employees, no income generated yet." From what everyone else has shared in this thread, the agents are really familiar with this question and can quickly update your account to stop those automated notices. It's amazing how this seems to be almost a universal experience for new single-member LLC owners! Once you get this sorted out, you'll be able to focus on actually building your digital marketing business instead of stressing about unnecessary paperwork.
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Ava Hernandez
I'm going through this exact same situation right now! Just set up my single-member LLC for my freelance graphic design business in January and have been absolutely panicking about those automated IRS notices I keep getting about Form 941 filings. I haven't made any income or hired anyone yet, but those letters had me convinced I was already behind on something crucial. This thread has been such a lifesaver - I had no idea that having an EIN automatically triggers these notices regardless of whether you actually need to file anything. I've been losing sleep for weeks thinking I somehow filled out my EIN application incorrectly or was missing important deadlines. I've been keeping receipts for my design software subscriptions, business cards, portfolio website hosting, and new computer equipment, but wasn't sure if tracking these expenses was worthwhile since I haven't landed any clients yet. Reading about that potential $5,000 startup expense deduction makes me feel much better about staying organized with all these records from day one. Definitely calling that IRS Business & Specialty Tax Line this week to get my account updated and stop these scary automated notices. It's incredible how many new single-member LLC owners go through this identical stress about Form 941 requirements. Thank you everyone for sharing your experiences - this community has been so helpful for understanding these confusing tax situations as a new business owner!
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