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Has anyone here actually created a retirement account for their kids from S corp earnings? My daughter is 14 and makes about $7k a year in my business and I'm wondering if it's worth setting up a Roth IRA for her or if there's some other tax strategy I should be using.
Absolutely do the Roth IRA! It's one of the biggest advantages of paying your kids. Since they have earned income, they can contribute up to 100% of their earnings (maximum $7,000 for 2025) to a Roth IRA. At their age, decades of tax-free growth is incredible.
Great discussion here! I just want to add one thing that's helped me tremendously with S corp payroll for my kids - make sure you're keeping really detailed records of their actual work hours and tasks. The IRS can be pretty strict about "reasonable compensation" even for family members. I created a simple time tracking system where my kids log their hours and what they did each day. For the marketing/photo work, I keep copies of the actual materials they appeared in and notes about which photo shoots they participated in. This documentation has been invaluable when my accountant prepares our quarterly payroll reports. Also, don't forget that you'll need to issue them W-2s at the end of the year just like any other employee. The payroll software I use makes this pretty straightforward, but it's something to plan for if you're doing payroll manually. The Roth IRA suggestion is spot on too - getting them started on retirement savings this early is such a gift you can give them!
This is really helpful advice! I'm new to this community and just starting to think about hiring my 12-year-old to help with my small consulting business. The time tracking system you mentioned sounds like a great idea - do you use any specific software or just a simple spreadsheet? I want to make sure I'm documenting everything properly from the start, especially since I've heard the IRS can be pretty thorough when it comes to family employee arrangements. Also, when you mention "reasonable compensation," how do you determine what's reasonable for kids doing basic office work versus something more specialized like appearing in marketing materials?
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the impact of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act changes on business vehicle depreciation. The bonus depreciation rules have been phasing down since 2023, and by 2027 they'll be completely eliminated unless Congress acts. For 2025, you can still take 60% bonus depreciation on qualifying business vehicles in addition to Section 179, but this is dropping to 40% in 2026 and 20% in 2027. If you're planning to replace your vehicle in the next few years, the timing could significantly impact your tax benefits. Also worth noting - if you're considering an electric or hybrid business vehicle, there are additional credits and accelerated depreciation opportunities that might affect your recapture calculations. The clean vehicle credits can sometimes offset some of the recapture pain if you're strategic about timing.
This is really helpful information about the bonus depreciation phase-out! I had no idea it was changing so dramatically. Does this mean if I'm planning to buy a new business vehicle in 2026, I should consider accelerating the purchase to 2025 to get the higher bonus depreciation rate? Also, you mentioned electric vehicle credits - do those stack with Section 179 deductions, or do you have to choose one or the other? My business is looking at going electric for our fleet and the tax implications could be a major factor in the decision.
Great question about timing! Yes, if you're planning a vehicle purchase anyway, accelerating to 2025 to capture the 60% bonus depreciation versus 40% in 2026 could save you significant tax dollars, especially on expensive commercial vehicles. Regarding electric vehicle credits - this is where it gets interesting. The clean vehicle credits (up to $7,500 for new EVs) are separate from Section 179 deductions, so you can potentially stack them. However, you need to reduce your depreciable basis by the amount of any credits received. So if you get a $7,500 EV credit on a $60,000 vehicle, you'd depreciate $52,500 rather than the full purchase price. For fleet decisions, also consider that electric vehicles often qualify for additional state incentives and utility rebates that further reduce your basis. The total tax benefits can be substantial, but make sure your accountant runs the numbers on the specific vehicles you're considering since the rules vary by vehicle type, weight class, and where it's manufactured.
Great discussion everyone! As someone who just went through this exact situation with my construction business vehicles, I wanted to add a few practical points that might help: For the original question about the 5 vs 7 year timeline - business vehicles are indeed 5-year property under MACRS, but here's what I learned the hard way: even if you keep it exactly 5 years, you could still face recapture if your business use percentage drops below what you originally claimed. One strategy my CPA recommended was to document everything from day one. I now photograph my odometer monthly, keep a spreadsheet of every business trip with client names and purposes, and even save GPS data when possible. It sounds excessive, but during my recent audit, this documentation saved me from having thousands in depreciation disallowed. Also, if you're thinking about upgrading vehicles before the recovery period ends, consider a like-kind exchange (1031 exchange) for business vehicles. You can sometimes defer the recapture by rolling the basis into a new business vehicle. Not everyone knows this option exists, but it can be a game-changer for businesses that need to regularly update their fleet. The key takeaway: plan for the full 5-year commitment when you take that Section 179 deduction, and document everything religiously!
This is exactly the kind of detailed advice I was looking for! I had no idea about the 1031 exchange option for business vehicles - that could be a total game changer for my situation. My business is growing and I was already worried about being locked into this SUV for 5 full years if my needs change. Quick follow-up question: does the like-kind exchange work if I want to go from one heavy SUV to another, or does it have to be the exact same type of vehicle? And are there timing requirements like with real estate 1031 exchanges? Also really appreciate the documentation tips. I've been pretty casual about my mileage tracking, but after reading about everyone's audit experiences here, I'm definitely going to step up my record-keeping game. Better safe than sorry when it comes to the IRS!
This thread has been absolutely fantastic! As someone who just started freelancing last year, I was completely overwhelmed by all the 1099-NEC requirements. Reading through everyone's experiences and advice has really helped me understand what I need to do. I especially appreciate the practical tips about setting up tracking systems and having upfront conversations with clients about tax requirements. I made the mistake of just assuming clients would know what to do, and ended up scrambling in January trying to get proper documentation. One question for the group: For those of you who've been freelancing for a while, how do you handle clients who push back on providing W-9 information or seem resistant to the 1099-NEC process? I had one client last year who seemed annoyed when I brought up tax forms and said they "don't usually deal with that stuff." I ended up just letting it slide, but now I realize that probably wasn't the right approach. Also, @Dmitry Ivanov - I'm in a very similar situation to your original question, and this thread has been incredibly helpful for understanding the basics. Thanks for starting such a useful discussion!
@Sean O'Connor Great question about handling resistant clients! I've encountered this a few times, and here's what I've learned works best: First, I frame it as a legal requirement rather than a personal request. I'll say something like "The IRS requires businesses to collect tax information from contractors they pay over $600, so this is just standard compliance." Most clients understand when you explain it's not optional. If they still push back, I politely but firmly explain that without proper tax documentation, they could face penalties from the IRS for non-compliance. I also mention that I need to report all my income regardless of whether they send a 1099, so having the proper paperwork protects both of us. In extreme cases where a client absolutely refuses to provide or complete tax forms, I've had to make the difficult decision to not work with them. It's not worth the potential headaches down the line, and clients who are resistant to basic business requirements often cause other problems too. The key is being professional but firm about it being a business requirement, not a personal preference. Most reasonable clients will comply once they understand it's legally required.
This entire discussion has been incredibly valuable! As someone who's been doing freelance photography for about 6 months now, I was making so many of the mistakes that have been mentioned here. I had no idea that I needed to be proactive about discussing tax forms with clients upfront. I've just been waiting to see what forms show up at the end of the year, which now I realize is completely backwards. The advice about including W-9 forms with initial contracts and setting up tracking systems is going to save me so much stress. One thing I'm curious about - for those of you who work with a mix of individual clients and businesses, do you find that individuals (like someone hiring you for a family portrait session) are less familiar with 1099-NEC requirements? I've mostly worked with small businesses so far, but I'm starting to get more individual clients, and I want to make sure I'm handling the tax side correctly with them too. Also wanted to thank @Dmitry Ivanov for asking the original question - this thread should be required reading for anyone starting out in freelance work!
@Logan Scott You re'absolutely right about individual clients being less familiar with 1099-NEC requirements! I ve'found that individuals like (someone hiring for personal services often) have no idea they might need to issue tax forms, whereas small businesses usually at least know the forms exist even if they re'not sure about the specifics. The key difference is that individuals only need to issue 1099-NECs if they re'paying you in the course of their trade or business. So if someone hires you for personal family photos, they typically wouldn t'need to send a 1099-NEC even if they pay you $600+. But if a real estate agent hires you to photograph properties for their business, then they would need to issue one. I ve'found it helpful to ask individual clients upfront whether they re'hiring me for personal or business purposes. For business-related work, I go through the same W-9 and tracking process as with other business clients. For personal work, I still keep detailed records for my own tax reporting, but I don t'expect to receive a 1099-NEC from them. This distinction can be a bit tricky sometimes - like if someone hires you for headshots that they ll'use for their LinkedIn profile, it could go either way depending on whether they re'self-employed or just updating their professional image as an employee somewhere.
I've been dealing with IRS refund tracking issues for years, and here's something that might help that I don't see mentioned yet: if you used tax preparation software like TurboTax, H&R Block, or TaxAct, try logging into their mobile app instead of the website. The mobile apps sometimes cache more information locally and might still show your refund amount even if you're having trouble accessing the full online account. Also, for amended returns specifically, I've found that calling the IRS early in the morning (like 7-8 AM) or later in the evening significantly improves your chances of getting through. The hold times are still brutal, but at least you're more likely to actually get in the queue. One more tip that worked for a friend: if you have your Social Security number and filing status, sometimes the automated phone system (1-800-829-1040) will give you refund information without requiring the exact dollar amount. It's hit or miss, but worth trying before going through all the other steps. The amended return waiting game is the worst part of tax season - hang in there! At least once you finally get the status, you'll have a better idea of the timeline.
Great tip about trying the mobile apps instead of websites! I never thought about cached information being different between platforms. The timing advice for calling is really smart too - I always assumed earlier would be worse because of East Coast callers, but I guess most people try calling during "business hours" so the edges of the day are probably less crowded. I'm curious about the automated phone system though - when you say it gives refund information without the exact amount, does it just tell you if a refund is processing or does it actually give you dollar figures? I've been scared to try the phone options because I figured they'd just route me back to the same system that needs the exact amount.
I've been through this exact scenario! Here's what worked for me when I was stuck traveling without my paperwork: First, try the IRS2Go mobile app - it's often more forgiving with refund amounts than the website. For amended returns, use the "Where's My Amended Return" tool instead of the regular tracker. If you filed with tax software, check your email for the confirmation receipt - it should have your refund amount. Also try logging into your tax software account on mobile since they usually save everything online. One trick that saved me: contact your bank's customer service and ask them to look up last year's IRS refund deposit. This gives you a ballpark estimate that might be close enough for the IRS tools to accept. Since you're only 3 weeks into an amended return (which typically takes 16+ weeks), you have plenty of time to sort this out. The IRS transcript method others mentioned is solid, but requires getting through their identity verification. Honestly, the stress of tracking it might not be worth it right now - amended returns move at a glacial pace regardless. Sometimes it's better to just wait until you're home with your documents rather than jumping through all these hoops while traveling! Good luck with whatever route you choose! π€
Oliver Becker
One important aspect that hasn't been fully addressed is the Spanish tax implications once you establish residency there. Spain has a "Beckham Law" (Ley Beckham) that might be relevant to your situation - it allows new Spanish tax residents to pay tax only on Spanish-sourced income for up to 6 years, rather than on worldwide income. However, this special regime has specific requirements: you must not have been a Spanish tax resident in the 10 years prior to moving, your work must be performed in Spain, and you need to apply within 6 months of becoming a Spanish tax resident. If you qualify, this could significantly simplify your Spanish tax obligations while you're running your US S-Corp. Also, regarding your S-Corp distributions - these will likely be treated as dividends under Spanish tax law and may be subject to different rates than your salary income. Spain generally taxes dividend income at progressive rates (19-28% depending on the amount), but the US-Spain tax treaty should allow you to credit Spanish taxes paid against your US tax liability. Make sure you're aware of Spain's Modelo 720 reporting requirement if you have foreign assets (including your US bank accounts and S-Corp shares) exceeding β¬50,000. The penalties for non-compliance are severe, so it's crucial to stay on top of this reporting obligation. I'd strongly recommend consulting with a Spanish tax advisor who specializes in US expats to ensure you're taking advantage of all available benefits and meeting all compliance requirements.
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Debra Bai
β’This is incredibly helpful information about the Beckham Law! I had no idea this special tax regime existed. Just to clarify - if someone qualifies for this regime, would they still need to report their US S-Corp income to Spanish authorities, or would they be completely exempt from Spanish taxation on that income since it's US-sourced? Also, regarding the Modelo 720 reporting - does this apply to the S-Corp shares themselves, or just to any Spanish bank accounts and other traditional financial assets? I'm trying to understand the full scope of what needs to be reported to avoid those severe penalties you mentioned. The timeline aspect seems crucial here too. Since the original poster moved to Spain last year, they might have already missed the 6-month window to apply for the Beckham Law benefits. Is there any way to retroactively apply or would they be stuck with the standard Spanish tax treatment going forward?
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Landon Flounder
β’Great questions about the Beckham Law! If you qualify for the special regime, you would still need to report your US S-Corp income to Spanish authorities, but you'd only be taxed on the Spanish-sourced portion of that income. Since your S-Corp is US-based, most of that income would likely be considered foreign-sourced and exempt from Spanish taxation under the regime. Regarding Modelo 720, yes, this includes your S-Corp shares as they're considered foreign securities. The reporting threshold is β¬50,000 aggregate value across all foreign assets, so if your S-Corp shares plus any US bank accounts exceed this amount, you'd need to file. The penalties start at β¬5,000 per unreported asset group and can go much higher. Unfortunately, you're right about the timing issue. The Beckham Law application must be made within 6 months of becoming a Spanish tax resident, and there's generally no retroactive application allowed. Since Oliver moved last year, he's likely past this window and would be subject to standard Spanish worldwide income taxation. However, I'd still recommend consulting with a Spanish tax advisor to confirm the exact timing of when tax residency was established versus when the work actually began in Spain, as there might be some nuances that could affect eligibility.
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Alexis Robinson
One crucial aspect I haven't seen mentioned yet is the potential impact on your S-Corp election itself. The IRS has specific rules about S-Corp shareholders, and extended foreign residency can sometimes complicate things, especially if you end up becoming a non-resident alien for tax purposes (though as a US citizen, this is less likely). More importantly, you'll want to be very careful about how you document your work location for the IRS. Since you're physically in Spain but working for your US S-Corp, make sure you can clearly demonstrate that your business activities and decision-making are still US-based if questioned. This can help support your position that the S-Corp income is US-sourced rather than Spanish-sourced. Also, consider the timing of your S-Corp distributions carefully. Since Spain taxes dividend income progressively and you might be able to use the foreign tax credit, it could be beneficial to time larger distributions in years when your Spanish tax rate is lower or when you have other foreign tax credits available. One last tip: keep meticulous records of your physical presence in each country. This will be essential for both the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion calculations and for Spanish tax residency determinations. I use a simple spreadsheet tracking entry/exit dates, but there are also apps designed specifically for this purpose. The intersection of S-Corp taxation and international living is complex, but definitely manageable with proper planning and documentation!
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Diego FernΓ‘ndez
β’This is really comprehensive advice! I'm particularly interested in your point about documenting work location and business activities. As someone new to this community and facing a similar situation (US citizen with an LLC considering the S-Corp election while potentially moving abroad), could you elaborate on what specific documentation the IRS typically looks for to establish that business activities remain US-based? For example, would having a US registered office address, conducting board meetings via video conference from the US time zone, or maintaining US business bank accounts be sufficient? I want to make sure I'm setting up the right documentation trail before I make any international moves. Also, regarding those apps you mentioned for tracking physical presence - do you have any specific recommendations? It seems like having accurate day-counting would be critical for both the FEIE calculations and avoiding any issues with foreign tax residency thresholds.
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