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Isla Fischer

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I'd definitely start by requesting a copy of your W-4 from HR or payroll - that's going to be the key to understanding what happened. When you fill out a W-4, there are several factors that affect withholding: your filing status, number of dependents, whether you have multiple jobs, and any additional withholding you requested. Given that you made $3,800 over 3 months working part-time, the low withholding might actually be mathematically correct. If your employer's system projected that as an annual income of around $15,200, and you're single with no dependents, your actual federal tax liability after the standard deduction would be quite minimal. That said, if you're planning to work more hours or this income will be higher than projected, you should definitely submit a new W-4 to increase your withholding. It's much better to have a small refund than to owe money when you file your taxes. The IRS also has a free withholding calculator on their website that can help you figure out the right amount to have withheld based on your expected annual income.

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Diez Ellis

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This is excellent advice! I'm definitely going to request my W-4 from HR tomorrow. It's reassuring to know that the low withholding might actually be correct given my part-time income level. I had no idea that the standard deduction could cover so much of a lower income. I think you're absolutely right about submitting a new W-4 since I'm planning to increase my hours this year. I'd rather be safe and have them withhold a bit more rather than get hit with an unexpected tax bill. Thanks for mentioning the IRS withholding calculator too - I'll check that out to make sure I get the numbers right on the new form!

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Ezra Bates

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I work in payroll and see this situation fairly often! The $22.61 withholding for $3,800 in income over 3 months actually sounds about right mathematically. Here's why: When your employer's system calculates federal withholding, it annualizes your pay. So if you made $3,800 in 3 months, the system projects you'll make around $15,200 for the full year. For 2024, the standard deduction for a single filer is $14,600, which means your taxable income would only be about $600 - resulting in very minimal federal tax owed. However, I'd still recommend these steps: 1. Get a copy of your W-4 from HR to verify what you originally filled out 2. If you're planning to work more hours or get raises this year, submit a new W-4 with updated withholding 3. Consider having extra withholding taken out if you want to avoid any surprises at tax time The key thing is making sure your withholding matches your actual expected annual income, not just your current part-time earnings. If your boss confirms the W-2 is correct and your income was indeed that low, you're probably fine - but definitely adjust going forward if your situation changes!

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This is such a helpful explanation from someone who actually works in payroll! I had no idea that the system annualizes your pay like that. It makes total sense now why my withholding seemed so low - if the standard deduction covers almost all of my projected annual income, then of course there wouldn't be much federal tax to withhold. I'm definitely going to follow your advice and get a copy of my W-4 first to see what I originally put down. Then I'll submit a new one since I'm planning to work more hours this year. It's good to know that this situation is actually pretty common and not necessarily a mistake. Thanks for breaking down the math - it really helps me understand how the withholding calculation works!

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Salim Nasir

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Just wanted to add that the timing of when all those K1s arrived matters too. If most came in late (which is common with complex partnerships), the accounting firm probably had to file extensions and do a lot of the work during their non-busy season. That's often billed at different rates. My firm charges 20-30% more for K1-heavy returns because they're unpredictable and often cause bottlenecks in our workflow. The 60-70 new K1s would definitely add setup time too.

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Sarah Ali

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As someone who's dealt with complex returns (though nowhere near your sister's level), I'd echo what others are saying - $19,500 for that complexity actually sounds quite reasonable. One thing I'd suggest is asking the firm for a breakdown of how they arrived at that fee. Most reputable firms should be able to show you time spent on different components - K1 processing, state return prep, review time, etc. This transparency helps you understand what you're paying for and can be useful for budgeting future years. Also, given the scale of her investments, your sister might want to consider working with the firm throughout the year for tax planning rather than just at filing time. With that income level and complexity, proactive planning could potentially save more in taxes than the additional advisory fees would cost. Many firms offer quarterly check-ins for clients with situations like this.

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StarStrider

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This is really helpful advice about asking for a breakdown! I never thought to request that level of detail from my tax preparer. Do most accounting firms provide this kind of transparency willingly, or do you typically have to specifically ask for it? I'm wondering if this is standard practice or something that only happens when clients push for it.

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This is exactly the kind of situation where you need to be really careful with your documentation and accounting treatment. I've seen partnerships fall apart over these exact issues when they're not handled properly upfront. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the potential impact on your personal taxes. Since the mortgage is still in your name, you're personally liable for it, which affects how the IRS treats the debt relief when the LLC makes payments. You might want to consider having the LLC formally assume the mortgage (if the lender allows it) to clean up the accounting treatment. Also, make sure your operating agreement explicitly addresses what happens if one of you wants to exit the partnership before the property is sold. With uneven capital contributions and ongoing mortgage payments, calculating a fair buyout can get really complicated without clear terms spelled out in advance. Have you considered setting up a capital call provision where your partner contributes additional cash to balance out the mortgage principal payments the LLC makes on your behalf? This could help maintain the 50/50 economic split you originally intended.

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The point about having the LLC formally assume the mortgage is really smart - I hadn't thought about that option. Would that require refinancing the loan entirely, or can you sometimes just do a loan assumption with the existing lender? I'm wondering if the hassle and costs of refinancing would be worth it for cleaner accounting, especially if we're planning to flip and sell relatively quickly. The capital call idea is interesting too. Would that work by having my partner contribute cash equal to each principal payment as we go, or would it be better to calculate the total expected principal reduction upfront and have them contribute that amount initially? Trying to figure out what's most practical for ongoing management.

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Great questions! For the mortgage assumption, it depends on your lender and loan type. Some conventional loans allow assumption with lender approval (though they'll likely require the LLC to qualify), while others have due-on-sale clauses that make it tricky. FHA and VA loans are generally more assumable. You'd need to check with your lender first - sometimes it's just paperwork and a fee, other times it requires full underwriting like a new loan. For the capital call approach, I'd lean toward calculating it upfront based on your expected timeline. If you're flipping quickly (6-12 months), you can estimate total principal reduction and have your partner contribute that amount initially. This avoids the hassle of monthly adjustments and keeps the accounting cleaner. Plus, having that extra cash in the LLC from day one gives you more flexibility for unexpected rehab costs or carrying costs if the flip takes longer than planned. Just make sure whatever approach you choose is clearly documented in your operating agreement with specific dollar amounts and timelines. The IRS loves clear paper trails for these partnership transactions.

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Owen Devar

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This is such a common issue with real estate LLCs and you're smart to ask about it upfront! I made the mistake of not properly structuring this with my first flip partnership and it caused major headaches at tax time. Here's what I learned: When you contribute property with a mortgage to an LLC, your initial capital contribution is indeed the net equity (property value minus mortgage balance). But here's the key part - as the LLC makes those mortgage payments, the principal portion should increase your outside basis in the LLC, not decrease your capital account. Think of it this way: the LLC is essentially paying down debt that you're still personally liable for, which increases your economic investment in the partnership. Your capital account for book purposes might stay the same, but your tax basis goes up with each principal payment. The tricky part is maintaining fairness with your 50/50 split. You'll want to track these principal payments carefully and either have your partner contribute equivalent value through rehab investments, or adjust how you split the proceeds when you sell to account for the uneven contributions. I'd strongly recommend getting your operating agreement reviewed by a CPA who does real estate partnerships before you go too far down this path. The few hundred dollars upfront can save you thousands in tax issues and partner disputes later.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm just getting into real estate investing and this whole capital account situation seems way more complicated than I expected. When you mention that your tax basis goes up with principal payments but your capital account stays the same - how does that actually work when it comes time to file taxes? Do you report the increased basis somewhere specific on your tax return? Also, I'm curious about the timing of getting the CPA review. Should that happen before we even buy our first property together, or is it okay to set up the basic LLC structure first and then get it reviewed before we start making mortgage payments? Trying to figure out the most cost-effective approach while still protecting ourselves legally and tax-wise.

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Based on what you've described, it sounds like you should be able to claim your daughter as a qualifying child dependent! Since she's 20 and a full-time college student, she meets the extended age requirement (under 24 for students). Her dorm living counts as temporary absence for education - she's still considered to live with you. And if you're covering 75% of her expenses while she only earned $8,200, you're definitely providing more than half her support. Just make sure when you calculate total support, you include everything - tuition, room & board, books, food, medical expenses, transportation, etc. Her $8,200 job income needs to be less than half of that total amount. From what you've shared, it sounds like her total expenses are way more than $16,400, so you should be good! Don't forget to also look into the American Opportunity Tax Credit when you file - you can get up to $2,500 in education credits for her college expenses since you'll be claiming her as a dependent.

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Ayla Kumar

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This is really helpful! I'm new to this whole dependent claiming thing and wasn't sure about the dorm situation. So even though my son lives on campus 8 months of the year, that still counts as living with me for tax purposes? That seems weird but I'll take it! Also good point about calculating ALL the expenses - I was only thinking about tuition but there's so much more like meal plans, textbooks, even his car insurance that I still pay. Thanks for breaking this down in simple terms!

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Yes, you should definitely be able to claim your daughter as a qualifying child dependent! At 20 years old and enrolled full-time, she meets the extended age test for students (under 24). The dorm living actually works in your favor - temporary absences for education are considered as still living with you for tax purposes. The key thing to focus on is the support test. Since you're covering about 75% of her expenses and she only earned $8,200, you're clearly providing more than half her support. Just make sure when you're calculating this, you include ALL expenses: tuition, room & board, books, food, medical, transportation, personal expenses, etc. Her income needs to be less than half of that total amount. One important tip: make sure your daughter knows to check the box "Someone can claim you as a dependent" if she files her own return for that $8,200 income. She can still file to get back any taxes withheld, but she can't claim her own exemption if you're claiming her. Also don't miss out on the American Opportunity Tax Credit - you could get up to $2,500 in education credits since you'll be claiming her as a dependent and paying her college expenses. That's a significant tax benefit on top of the dependent exemption!

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Nathan Dell

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This is exactly the kind of clear breakdown I needed! I've been stressing about this for weeks. One follow-up question though - when you mention calculating ALL expenses, does that include things like her cell phone bill that I pay, or clothes I buy her? I want to make sure I'm not missing anything that could help prove I'm providing more than half her support. Also, should I be keeping receipts for all this stuff in case the IRS asks for documentation?

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Thanks everyone for all the helpful explanations! This thread has been incredibly educational. As someone who just started investing this year, I was completely stumped when I saw SPAXX showing up on my 1099-DIV instead of 1099-INT. The key insight that finally made it click for me was understanding that money market funds like SPAXX are structured as mutual funds, not direct government bond investments. Even though SPAXX invests in Treasury securities and feels like a high-yield savings account, I'm technically a mutual fund shareholder receiving dividend distributions rather than a bondholder receiving interest payments. I was also seeing those duplicate amounts in the "Ordinary Div" and "Div Distributions" columns and was worried I needed to report both somehow. It's such a relief to know they're just different ways of showing the same dividend income. With about $180 in SPAXX dividends for the year, I'm under the $1,500 Schedule B threshold so I can report it directly on line 3b of my 1040 as ordinary dividend income. The dividends are definitely taxable even though they come from government securities - that was the part that was really confusing me initially. This community discussion has saved me hours of research and probably prevented a filing error. It's amazing how something that seems so straightforward (earning money on cash in a brokerage account) can have such specific tax implications!

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This thread has been incredibly helpful for me too! I just started dealing with investment taxes this year and was completely lost about SPAXX. Like everyone else, I was expecting it to show up as interest income since it felt just like a savings account. The mutual fund structure explanation really cleared things up - I had no idea that when you put money in SPAXX, you're actually buying mutual fund shares rather than just depositing cash like at a bank. That's such an important distinction that explains the whole dividend vs interest reporting difference. I'm in a similar situation with about $160 in SPAXX dividends, and it's reassuring to know I can just report it directly on my 1040 without needing Schedule B. The fact that it's fully taxable despite investing in government securities was definitely the most surprising part for me. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this is exactly the kind of practical advice that makes tax season less stressful for new investors like us!

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Javier Cruz

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This thread has been absolutely amazing for clearing up SPAXX confusion! As someone who just opened their first brokerage account, I was completely baffled when I saw SPAXX dividends on my 1099-DIV instead of 1099-INT. I kept thinking there had to be some kind of error. The explanation about money market funds being structured as mutual funds rather than direct government investments finally made everything click. I never realized that putting money into SPAXX meant I was technically buying shares in a mutual fund that happens to invest in Treasury securities, which is why the payments are classified as dividend distributions instead of interest income. What really helped me was checking my transaction history like some of you suggested - I could see the monthly dividend payments being automatically reinvested back into more SPAXX shares. I had no idea that reinvested dividends were still taxable income! That definitely would have been a mistake on my part. With about $110 in SPAXX dividends for the year and no other significant dividend income, I'm well under the $1,500 Schedule B threshold, so I can report it directly on line 3b of my 1040 as ordinary dividend income. The fact that it's fully taxable despite being a "government" fund was initially confusing, but now I understand the distinction between government Treasury funds (taxable) and municipal funds (potentially tax-exempt). This community discussion has been incredibly valuable - thank you to everyone who shared their experiences and explanations! It's reassuring to know that so many other new investors have gone through the same learning curve with SPAXX taxation.

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