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Just wanted to share my experience with this exact situation! I had multiple Roth IRA contributions throughout 2023 and then got hit with a surprise year-end bonus that pushed me over the income limit. The key thing I learned is that you absolutely need to act quickly - the deadline is firm. My broker (Schwab) was actually really helpful once I got to the right department. They have a specialized team that handles excess contribution returns and they did all the earnings calculations for me using the method described above. One thing that wasn't immediately clear to me: when you withdraw the excess contribution plus earnings, the contribution amount comes back to you tax-free (since it was post-tax money), but the earnings portion gets added to your taxable income for the year you receive the distribution. So make sure you're prepared for that tax hit! Also, if you're close to income limits in the future, definitely consider the backdoor Roth strategy mentioned by others. It's a bit more paperwork but saves you from this whole headache.

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Thanks for sharing your experience! I'm curious - when you say Schwab has a specialized team for this, did you have to ask specifically for them or did they transfer you automatically when you mentioned excess contributions? I'm wondering if I should try calling Fidelity again and asking for a specific department. Also, you mentioned the earnings get added to taxable income - do you know if there are any early withdrawal penalties on top of that, or is it just the regular income tax on the earnings portion?

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Yuki Yamamoto

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I went through this same situation last year with Fidelity! You're absolutely right that the calculation can be confusing, especially with multiple contributions. Here's what I learned from my experience: Fidelity does have a specific form called "Return of Excess Contribution" that you can find in their forms library online. When you call, ask specifically for the "retirement account excess contribution department" - they'll transfer you to specialists who handle this all the time and actually know the calculation methods. Regarding your question about tracking each contribution separately - you don't need to! The IRS allows you to use the account value immediately before your first contribution for the tax year as your starting point, then your current balance as the ending point. The formula you mentioned is correct. One important thing I discovered: if you're doing this for 2024 contributions, you have until your 2024 tax filing deadline (including extensions) to fix it without penalty. But don't wait - the earnings calculation keeps changing as your account value fluctuates. Also, just to echo what others said about the tax implications - the contribution itself comes back tax-free, but any earnings on the excess contribution will be taxable income in the year you receive the distribution. Fidelity will send you a 1099-R showing the earnings portion.

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Jean Claude

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This is super helpful, thank you! I'm definitely going to call back and ask specifically for the "retirement account excess contribution department" - that's exactly the kind of insider tip I needed. Quick question about the timeline - when you say I have until the tax filing deadline, does that mean April 15th 2025 for 2024 contributions, or does it include the extension period automatically? I want to make sure I understand the exact deadline since you mentioned not to wait due to the fluctuating account values. Also, did Fidelity charge any fees for processing the excess contribution return? I'm trying to budget for all the costs associated with fixing this mistake.

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Thanks everyone for all the great suggestions! I'm definitely going to try a few of these options. The automatic document scanning feature that @Ethan Clark mentioned with taxr.ai sounds really appealing since I hate manually entering all those 1099 boxes - I always worry I'm going to mess something up. I'm also intrigued by the VITA program @Emma Johnson suggested. I didn't know that was a thing! Having someone walk through everything with me in person might be worth it for peace of mind, especially since this is my first year dealing with multiple 1099s. Quick question for anyone who's used these services - do any of them handle estimated tax payments for next year? Since I'll probably have similar 1099 income next year, I want to make sure I don't get hit with underpayment penalties.

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Great question about estimated taxes! Most of the software options mentioned (FreeTaxUSA, TaxAct, Cash App Taxes) do include estimated tax calculators that will help you figure out what to pay quarterly next year based on your current year's income. They'll usually suggest amounts and give you vouchers you can print out or set up online payments. VITA volunteers are also trained to help with estimated tax planning - that's actually one of the really valuable things about going that route since they can walk you through the whole process and explain why you might need to make quarterly payments. If you end up going with the document scanning route (taxr.ai), I'd double-check that they include estimated tax planning in their free version. The traditional software providers usually include this as a standard feature, but newer services sometimes focus more on the current year filing and less on planning ahead. Either way, definitely worth setting up those quarterly payments if you're expecting similar 1099 income next year - learned that lesson the hard way my first year freelancing!

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Santiago Diaz

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I've been in a similar situation and ended up using a combination approach that worked really well. For the actual filing, I went with FreeTaxUSA since it truly handles all 1099 forms for free (federal), but I also used one of those document scanning services mentioned here to extract all the data first, then manually entered it into FreeTaxUSA. This gave me the best of both worlds - the accuracy of automated data extraction without worrying about hidden fees. The scanning caught details I probably would have missed, and FreeTaxUSA's interface made it easy to double-check everything was entered correctly. One tip: if you do go the manual entry route with any software, take photos of all your forms with your phone first. That way if you get interrupted or the software times out, you don't have to dig through all your paperwork again. Also, most of these services will save your progress, so you can take breaks if it gets overwhelming. For estimated taxes next year, definitely set those up - the IRS has an online payment system (EFTPS) that makes quarterly payments pretty painless once you're registered.

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Rudy Cenizo

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That's a really smart hybrid approach! I never thought about using document scanning to extract the data first, then entering it into a different software. That actually sounds like the perfect solution for someone like me who wants accuracy but also wants to stick with truly free options. Quick question about the EFTPS system you mentioned - is that pretty straightforward to set up? I've never dealt with estimated payments before and the whole quarterly thing seems intimidating. Also, do you know if there's a minimum amount you need to pay, or can you just estimate based on what you think you'll make? Thanks for the phone photo tip too - I definitely would not have thought of that and probably would have ended up shuffling through papers multiple times!

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Philip Cowan

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I actually went through this last year with my S-Corp. Something important I learned - if your new owner is a non-US citizen or certain types of entities, you could accidentally terminate your S election! Make sure your new member is a qualified S-Corp shareholder. Also, depending on your state, you might need to file amended articles of organization with the state. In California, for example, we had to file a Statement of Information update when our ownership changed.

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Caesar Grant

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Good point about the qualified shareholder requirement! What about if the new owner is a single-member LLC? Does that cause any issues with S-Corp eligibility?

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Single-member LLCs can be tricky for S-Corp ownership! If the LLC is disregarded for tax purposes (which most single-member LLCs are), then the individual owner of the LLC would be considered the S-Corp shareholder, not the LLC itself. This is usually fine as long as that individual meets the qualified shareholder requirements. However, if the single-member LLC has made an election to be taxed as a corporation, then the LLC itself would be the shareholder, and LLCs taxed as corporations are NOT eligible S-Corp shareholders. This would terminate your S election. The safest approach is usually to have the individual own the S-Corp shares directly rather than through an LLC, unless there are specific liability or estate planning reasons for the LLC structure. Definitely worth discussing with a tax professional before finalizing the ownership structure!

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Zara Malik

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One thing to keep in mind that I haven't seen mentioned yet - when you take distributions as an S-Corp, they need to be proportional to ownership percentages. You can't just decide to give one owner more distributions than another based on their contribution or work in the business. Also, make sure you're both taking reasonable salaries as W-2 employees if you're both actively working in the business. The IRS scrutinizes S-Corps that try to avoid payroll taxes by taking everything as distributions instead of salary. The salary requirement applies to all owner-employees, not just the original owner. For your specific situation with the mid-year ownership change, document everything thoroughly - the date of the change, the reason for it, how you determined the new ownership percentages, and keep copies of all amended corporate documents. This documentation will be crucial if you ever face an audit.

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Jibriel Kohn

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This is really helpful information! I had no idea about the proportional distribution requirement. So if I own 70% and my new partner owns 30%, every distribution we take has to follow that exact ratio? What happens if we've already taken unequal distributions earlier in the year before the ownership change occurred? Also, regarding the reasonable salary requirement - does the IRS have specific guidelines for what constitutes "reasonable" for S-Corp owners? I've heard different opinions on this from various sources and want to make sure we're compliant.

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Rajiv Kumar

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Has anyone tried both FreeTaxUSA and Cash App Taxes (formerly Credit Karma Tax)? I'm also leaving TurboTax but trying to decide between these two free options.

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I've used both. Cash App Taxes is completely free for federal and state, while FreeTaxUSA charges about $15 for state filing. However, I found FreeTaxUSA's interface much more comprehensive, especially for more complex situations. Cash App Taxes struggled with my rental property and some investment reporting, while FreeTaxUSA handled everything without issues. If you have a straightforward tax situation though, Cash App Taxes works fine and you can save the state filing fee.

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I made the exact same switch last year and totally understand the frustration! While there's no direct PDF import in FreeTaxUSA, I found a workaround that made the process much smoother. What I did was open my TurboTax PDF in one browser tab and FreeTaxUSA in another. Then I systematically went through each section - personal info, income sources, deductions, etc. - copying the information over. It took about 45 minutes total, which honestly wasn't too bad considering I only have to do it once. Pro tip: Start with the "Import Prior Year" section in FreeTaxUSA even though you can't actually import - it shows you exactly what information they need, which helps you know what to look for in your old return. The interface is definitely different from TurboTax but in a good way - less cluttered and more straightforward. And once you're set up this year, FreeTaxUSA will automatically carry forward your info for next year, so this manual entry is truly a one-time thing. The savings compared to TurboTax make it totally worth the initial setup time!

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Diego Rojas

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This is exactly the approach I'm planning to take! Thanks for the detailed breakdown. Quick question - did you run into any issues with how FreeTaxUSA categorizes certain deductions compared to TurboTax? I'm worried about accidentally missing something important during the manual transfer process. Also, did you find FreeTaxUSA's error checking to be as thorough as TurboTax's? That's one feature I've grown to rely on over the years.

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Michigan Treasury Website Blocks 2024 Tax Information Despite "Yes" to Filing Status - Can't Access Estimated Payments at 2:36 PM

Getting super frustrated with the Michigan Department of Treasury eServices website (etreas.michigan.gov). I've already filed my 2024 return but when I try to access my Individual Income Tax information, I keep getting blocked. I'm literally staring at the screen right now at 2:36 on LTE trying to access the eServices portal for Individual Income Tax through the Michigan Department of Treasury website. The site shows "Below is your account information on file. Verify each year in order to access the information." Then under 2024, it literally displays: "You do not have access to view 2024 Tax Year information." The ridiculous part is that when it asks "Have you filed your tax return for 2024?" I selected "Yes" but it still won't let me proceed. I can see the "My Estimated Tax Payments" button and "Check Your Estimated Tax Payment" option right there on the screen, but I can't even click on them because I'm blocked from accessing my 2024 information. I filed my taxes weeks ago and need to verify some information about my estimated tax payments. There's no explanation given for why I "do not have access" despite confirming I've filed. Is there some processing delay I should be aware of? Do I need to wait longer after filing? The site gives zero helpful information. Anyone else running into this issue with the Michigan Treasury eServices portal? It's incredibly frustrating when you're just trying to view your own tax information.

Aisha Khan

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I work with tax processing systems and can confirm this is normal behavior for Michigan's eServices portal. The "You do not have access to view 2024 Tax Year information" message is their standard response during the processing window, regardless of what you select for filing status. Since you e-filed through TurboTax last Thursday, you're right in that 5-7 business day processing window where Michigan validates and integrates your return into their system. The estimated payments section will automatically become accessible once your return clears their processing queue - usually by end of this week for e-filed returns. If you're still blocked by Friday, then I'd recommend calling their support line at that point.

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thanks for the professional insight! really reassuring to know this is just standard processing and not an error on my end. will definitely wait until friday before calling support šŸ‘

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I ran into this exact same issue with Michigan Treasury's eServices portal a few months ago! The frustrating part is that their system doesn't clearly communicate what's happening during the processing period. From my experience, even though you answered "Yes" to filing your 2024 return, their backend system hasn't fully synchronized your filing status yet. Since you e-filed through TurboTax last Thursday, you're probably looking at another 1-2 business days before the portal grants you full access. The estimated tax payments section is particularly sensitive to this processing delay because it requires complete validation of your return before showing payment history. I'd suggest checking again Wednesday morning - that's typically when I've seen Michigan's system refresh with newly processed returns. If you're still locked out by then, their customer service line (517-636-4486) is usually pretty helpful with account access issues.

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Luca Romano

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@ce65b714cb71 hang in there! this whole thread has been super educational - didn't realize how common this michigan processing delay issue is. sounds like you should have access by wednesday based on everyone's experiences. the fact that multiple people are confirming this is normal processing behavior makes me feel better about my own future filings with michigan!

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