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Hey guys! So I've been thinking about cashing out my old 403b from a job I left about 3 years ago. It's just been sitting there doing nothing and I'm considering withdrawing it completely instead of rolling it over to a Roth IRA. The account has around $8,000 in it right now. I understand there's typically around 30% that gets taken out between federal taxes (20%) and the early withdrawal penalty (10%), which I'm prepared for. I also have a separate pension account from another job I recently left. I'm planning to keep that one untouched since there's that 5-year rule, and I might go back to that employer someday. I recently started working for the federal government and plan to build up my TSP and federal pension there over time. What I'm really wondering is - if I cash out this old 403b early, will I end up owing MORE than just the 30% that gets withheld initially? Like, would I have to keep paying additional taxes on this withdrawal year after year? Or is it just a one-time hit? Thanks for any help you can offer! :
I cant get into my IRS account to check my transcripts because my phone number changed. The website keeps trying to send a verification code to my old number and theres no option to update it. Anyone know how to fix this?
So I've been stressing about getting my FBAR filed by the April 18th deadline this year, and I'm hitting a roadblock. My foreign employer might have been contributing twice as much to my pension as they should have (or maybe not, who knows ๐คฆโโ๏ธ). Because of this confusion, I can't accurately calculate the max value of my foreign accounts. But then I came across some info that's making me wonder if I'm panicking for nothing. From what I read, the Transportation and Veterans Health Care Choice Improvement Act of 2015 changed the FBAR due date to April 15 to line up with regular tax season, but with a possible 6-month extension. The interesting part is that FinCEN apparently issued some clarification saying this extension is automatic - meaning you don't even have to request it. They stated something like "FinCEN will grant filers failing to meet the FBAR annual due date of April 15 an automatic extension to October 15 each year. Accordingly, specific requests for this extension are not required." If I'm understanding this correctly, it means I don't actually need to file anything by April 18th, and my real deadline is just October 15th, 2023? Can anyone confirm if I'm reading this right or am I setting myself up for penalties?
Just a quick warning to anyone using the automatic extension - make sure you still file Form 4868 for an extension of your actual tax return by April 18th! The FBAR automatic extension ONLY applies to the FBAR itself (FinCEN Form 114), not your tax return. I made this mistake last year thinking the automatic extension covered everything related to foreign accounts. Ended up having to explain to the IRS why my tax return was late even though my FBAR was timely filed. Don't repeat my mistake!
Wait, so if I have to report foreign accounts on Schedule B of my tax return, that part isn't extended automatically with the FBAR extension? That's confusing since they're related. Can you clarify what forms need separate extension requests?
That's right - they're definitely related but handled by different agencies. The FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) goes to FinCEN, not the IRS, which is why it has its own separate deadline and extension rules. Your tax return (1040 and all schedules including Schedule B where you check the box about foreign accounts) goes to the IRS and follows regular tax return deadlines. So you need Form 4868 to extend your tax return filing. Also, Form 8938 (Statement of Foreign Financial Assets) if required, goes with your tax return and would be covered by the Form 4868 extension, not the automatic FBAR extension.
Something nobody has mentioned yet - if you haven't filed FBARs in previous years when you should have, look into the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures. The penalties for late/missed FBARs can be INSANE (like $10,000 per account per year), but the Streamlined program lets you catch up without penalties if your failure to file wasn't willful. I went through this last year after realizing I should have been filing FBARs for 5 years. You file your past FBARs, certify that your failure was non-willful, and you're good. Much better than waiting for them to find you!
Thanks for bringing this up! Does anyone know if they still require 6 years of back FBARs for the Streamlined program? And do you need to amend all your tax returns too, or just file the missing FBARs?
Yes, the Streamlined program still requires 3 years of delinquent tax returns and 6 years of FBARs. You'll need to file amended returns (1040X) for any years where you had unreported foreign income, plus all the missing FBARs going back 6 years. The key is certifying that your non-compliance was non-willful - basically that you didn't know you had these filing requirements. It's definitely worth doing if you qualify, given how severe the FBAR penalties can be!
Just checked my transcript and noticed a 424 code. Been waiting on my refund for 2 months now and this code just popped up. Anyone know what this means for my refund timeline?
I've been dealing with the same 424 code for about 6 weeks now. From what I've researched, it usually means they're doing an income verification review - could be triggered by anything from a small discrepancy in your W2 reporting to just random selection. The waiting is the worst part honestly. I've seen people say it can take anywhere from 6-16 weeks to resolve. Have you tried calling the practitioner priority line? Sometimes they can give you a bit more info than the regular customer service line.
Ugh, I feel your pain! I'm dealing with the exact same thing - got the 424 code about 3 weeks ago and it's been radio silence since then. From what I've gathered from this thread and other research, it seems like they're just verifying some info on our returns. Super frustrating that they can just hold our money with basically no communication though ๐ค At least it sounds like they do pay interest while we wait, which is something I guess? Definitely gonna look into that taxr.ai thing people are mentioning - anything beats calling the IRS and waiting on hold forever just to get a generic "your return is being processed" response ๐
Same here! Just got hit with the 424 code last week and it's so stressful not knowing what's going on. Reading through all these comments though, it seems like taxr.ai is legit based on everyone's feedback. Might be worth the $5 just to get some peace of mind and actually understand what's happening instead of being left in the dark. The IRS customer service is absolutely useless - spent 3 hours on hold yesterday just to be told "it's processing" ๐คฆโโ๏ธ At least knowing they pay 7% interest makes the wait slightly less painful I guess?
I'm getting really frustrated with this deposit situation. My refund was approved with a deposit date of May 17th (tomorrow). I just called my bank to check if there's any pending deposit and they don't see anything at all in the system. Double checked my tax return and all my direct deposit information is 100% correct. Has anyone else experienced this? Is the IRS having issues with direct deposits this year? I really need this money and I'm getting worried something's wrong.
I totally understand your frustration! I went through the exact same thing last year - had a deposit date and nothing showed up in my account. The anxiety of waiting for money you really need is the worst. From my experience and what I've learned, the IRS "deposit date" is really when they send the payment to your bank, not when it actually hits your account. Most banks take 1-2 business days to process it after receiving it from the IRS. Since tomorrow is your scheduled date, I'd give it until Thursday or Friday before worrying. Also, smaller banks often don't show pending deposits at all until they actually post. If you still don't see anything by Friday, that's when I'd start making calls or checking your transcript for any issues. Hang in there!
I went through this exact same anxiety last year! The waiting is brutal when you really need that money. Here's what I learned: the IRS "deposit date" is actually when they release the funds to your bank, not when it hits your account. Your bank then needs 1-3 business days to process and post it. Since you're with a smaller bank and they told you they don't see anything pending, that's actually pretty normal - many banks don't show IRS deposits as pending until they're ready to post. I'd definitely wait until Friday before getting worried. If nothing shows up by then, check your transcript on the IRS website (irs.gov) - it will show if there are any holds or issues with your refund that the Where's My Refund tool doesn't display. The transcript codes can be confusing, but there are tools that can help interpret them if needed. Try to hang in there - in most cases, the money shows up within a day or two of the scheduled date!
Ivanna St. Pierre
Did anybody mention TSP loans? Since you're working for the federal government now, once you've been contributing to your TSP for a while, you can take loans from it without the tax penalties of an early withdrawal. Interest rates are pretty reasonable too, and you pay the interest to yourself. Might be something to consider for future needs rather than tapping retirement accounts and paying penalties.
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Elin Robinson
TSP loans are great but you can't get them from old accounts like the 403b OP is asking about. Also, there are restrictions - you have to pay it back within 5 years unless it's for a primary residence, and if you leave federal service with an outstanding loan, you either have to repay it quickly or it becomes a taxable distribution with penalties.
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Paolo Marino
Hey Freya! I was in a similar situation a couple years back with an old 403b from a teaching job. One thing I learned that might help - since you're now a federal employee, you might want to consider if you qualify for any of the hardship exceptions that could waive the 10% penalty. Things like unreimbursed medical expenses, higher education costs, or even certain unemployment situations can qualify. Also, don't forget about state taxes! Depending on which state you're in, you could owe anywhere from 0% to 10%+ on top of federal taxes. Some states don't tax retirement distributions at all, while others treat them as regular income. The partial rollover idea mentioned earlier is really smart too - you could roll most of it into your TSP (yes, you can roll a 403b into TSP!) and just take out what you absolutely need in cash. That way you minimize the tax hit while still getting some immediate funds. Just make sure to get everything in writing from your 403b administrator about exactly how much will be withheld and when you'll receive the funds. Some plans can take weeks to process distributions.
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Yara Nassar
Good questions! For rolling into TSP, there usually aren't waiting periods, but you do need to make sure your 403b plan allows direct rollovers (most do). The TSP accepts rollovers from most qualified plans including 403bs. Just contact the TSP and your 403b administrator to coordinate - they'll handle the transfer directly so you avoid any withholding. Unfortunately, credit card debt typically doesn't qualify for hardship exceptions. The IRS is pretty strict about what counts - it's usually things like medical expenses over 7.5% of your income, qualified education expenses, first-time home purchase (up to $10k), or certain disability/unemployment situations. Regular consumer debt doesn't make the cut. That said, if you had medical bills or other qualifying expenses during your unemployment that contributed to the credit card debt, those specific expenses might qualify. You'd need documentation showing the original qualifying expenses though.
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Tyler Murphy
Rolling from a 403b to TSP is pretty straightforward - there's no waiting period, and it doesn't count against your annual contribution limits since it's a rollover, not a new contribution. You'll need to initiate it through the TSP website (tsp.gov) and they'll guide you through the process. The 403b administrator will send the funds directly to TSP. Regarding hardship exceptions, unfortunately credit card debt typically doesn't qualify for penalty-free early withdrawals. The IRS hardship exceptions are pretty specific: unreimbursed medical expenses over 7.5% of your AGI, qualified higher education expenses, first-time home purchase (up to $10K lifetime), unemployment lasting 12+ weeks, or permanent disability. General debt payoff doesn't make the cut. Since you're asking about credit card debt though, you might want to run the numbers on whether the tax hit from an early withdrawal is actually better than the interest you're paying on the cards. Sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it doesn't.
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