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I feel for you - this is such a stressful situation! I went through something similar with my credit union last year. The frustrating thing is that once your transcript shows the 846 code (which means the IRS sent your refund), it becomes entirely a bank issue, not an IRS issue. From what everyone else is saying, it sounds like your money is most likely sitting in Chase's system but frozen while they do their "security review." The fact that they won't tell you if the deposit hit is typical - they're probably not allowed to discuss account details while it's under investigation. Definitely try going to a physical branch tomorrow with all your documentation (tax return, transcript, multiple IDs). In my experience, branch managers have way more authority to resolve these issues than phone reps do. Also keep checking your transcript over the next few days for code 841 - that would mean the deposit got returned to the IRS. If you don't see that code, then Chase definitely has your money and you just need to push them to release it. This situation sucks but it's not uncommon, especially with large refunds. Your $3,800 isn't gone - it's just temporarily stuck in banking bureaucracy. Stay persistent and don't let them brush you off!
This is really solid advice! I've been checking my transcript obsessively and still only see the 846 code from today, so you're right that Chase probably has the money. It's actually somewhat comforting to know this is a "banking bureaucracy" issue and not that my refund disappeared into thin air. I'm planning to hit the branch first thing tomorrow morning with every document I can think of. Thanks for the reminder to keep checking for that 841 code - I'll definitely be watching for that over the next few days. Hopefully the branch manager will have more power to actually help than these phone reps who seem to know nothing!
I'm so sorry you're going through this stress! I had a similar nightmare with Chase about 18 months ago when they froze my account right as my refund was supposed to hit. What worked for me was going straight to a physical branch with a folder full of documents - don't waste another second on phone calls. The branch manager was able to see that my refund deposit was actually sitting in their system, just locked up while they did their "fraud investigation." Bring everything: your driver's license, Social Security card, tax return, IRS transcript showing the 846 code, and any other ID you have. Ask specifically to speak with the branch manager, not just a teller. In my case, they lifted the freeze the same day once I proved the refund was legitimate. The most important thing to remember is that your money isn't lost - if your transcript shows code 846 and no 841 (return code), then Chase received your deposit and is just holding it. This is purely a bank issue now, not an IRS problem. Stay strong and be persistent at the branch tomorrow. Don't let them give you the runaround like the phone reps did. Your $3,800 is there waiting for you!
This entire thread has been incredibly comprehensive and helpful! As someone new to this community, I'm really impressed by the quality of guidance being shared here. I wanted to add one perspective that might be worth considering - since your cousin is only 16 and this process involves significant complexity with international tax law, it might be beneficial for her parents to document this entire journey. Not just for compliance purposes, but because this experience could actually become valuable content for her platform once everything is resolved properly. Many young creators and their families face these exact same challenges, and sharing the legitimate process of navigating international creator monetization (once she's successfully through it) could help others avoid the mistakes she initially made with the VPN usage. It could even become a unique niche for her content - helping other international creators understand proper compliance. The systematic approach everyone has outlined here really is the gold standard: ITIN application with full parental involvement, transparent communication with TikTok about the VPN issue and compliance efforts, professional tax guidance covering both US and home country implications, and proper record-keeping systems from day one. Your cousin is incredibly fortunate to have family support in doing this the right way rather than looking for shortcuts. The foundation being built through this proper compliance process will serve her well throughout her entire creator career, and the lessons learned could potentially help countless other young international creators facing similar challenges.
What a fantastic perspective on turning this challenge into an opportunity! The idea of documenting this journey and eventually sharing it as educational content is brilliant - there's definitely a gap in reliable information about legitimate international creator compliance. As someone completely new to understanding these requirements, I can see how valuable it would be to have real-world case studies from creators who've successfully navigated this process. Most of the information online seems to be either overly technical legal guidance or sketchy "workaround" advice, so having authentic experiences from young creators who did it the right way could really help others. The documentation aspect would serve multiple purposes too - compliance records for tax authorities, a timeline for working with TikTok support, and eventually educational content that could help build her personal brand around being a responsible, knowledgeable creator. I'm really struck by how this thread has evolved from a question about bypassing requirements into a comprehensive roadmap for legitimate compliance. The systematic approach everyone has outlined - from ITIN application to transparent platform communication to international tax considerations - could genuinely help so many other families facing similar situations. @Austin Leonard - your cousin really has turned what initially seemed like an obstacle into what could become a unique strength and even a content niche. The maturity to seek proper guidance rather than shortcuts will definitely set her apart in the creator space!
This thread has been absolutely incredible to read through! As someone new to this community, I'm amazed by how thoroughly everyone has covered the legitimate path forward for your cousin's situation. I wanted to add one more practical consideration that might help during the waiting period - while the ITIN application is processing, your cousin could use this time to start building relationships with other international creators who've successfully monetized through proper compliance. Many creator communities have Discord servers or forums where people share their experiences with different platforms' verification processes. Also, something I learned recently is that some countries have specific tax advantages for creative income earned by minors that could significantly impact the overall tax picture. Having her parents research these potential benefits in their home country could influence how they structure everything once the US compliance is sorted out. The systematic approach everyone has outlined here - ITIN with parental involvement, transparent TikTok communication about the VPN issue, professional tax guidance for both jurisdictions, and proper record-keeping from day one - really should be the standard playbook for any international creator facing similar challenges. Your cousin is so fortunate to have family support in doing this properly rather than looking for shortcuts. This legitimate foundation will serve her incredibly well throughout her creator career!
This is such valuable additional insight! The suggestion about connecting with other international creators who've been through similar verification processes is brilliant - having that peer support and real-world experience could be incredibly helpful during this waiting period. The point about researching home country tax advantages for creative income earned by minors is really important too. I hadn't considered that some countries might have specific provisions that could work in her favor, which could significantly impact the overall financial picture once everything is properly set up. As someone new to this community, I'm really impressed by how this entire discussion has evolved into what's essentially a comprehensive guide for international creator compliance. The systematic approach that's been outlined here - from the ITIN application process to transparent platform communication to dual-jurisdiction tax planning - could genuinely serve as a template for other families facing similar situations. It's also wonderful to see how this challenge is being reframed as an opportunity to build a solid foundation and potentially even develop expertise that could help other creators. @Austin Leonard s'cousin really is in such a good position having family support to navigate this properly from the start. The maturity to seek legitimate solutions rather than shortcuts will definitely set her apart and serve her well throughout her entire creator journey!
I'm dealing with this exact authentication loop right now and this thread has been absolutely incredible! As a complete newcomer to this nightmare, I was starting to think I was doing something fundamentally wrong when ID.me shows "verified" but the IRS keeps asking me to verify over and over again. The technical explanations about OAuth handshakes and orphaned authentication tokens have been so enlightening - it finally explains why regular customer service keeps saying they "can't see any issues" when there's clearly a major problem. They literally don't have access to the backend authentication systems! I've already tried the browser clearing approach (cleared everything for both sites and switched from Chrome to Firefox) but still got stuck in the same loop. Based on all the success stories here, I'm definitely going to call the Taxpayer Advocate Service at 877-777-4778 first thing tomorrow morning and use the magic words: "authentication token synchronization error" and ask them to "reset the OAuth handshake." It's so reassuring to know this is a legitimate technical issue affecting tons of people rather than user error. This thread should honestly be the official troubleshooting guide! Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences and solutions - you've turned what felt like an impossible situation into a clear action plan. I'll report back once I try the Taxpayer Advocate approach!
As someone who just stumbled into this authentication nightmare myself, I can't tell you how reassuring it is to find this thread! I've been stuck in the same loop for three days now - ID.me showing verified while the IRS site keeps asking me to verify again. I was genuinely starting to wonder if I was somehow missing something obvious or if my account was flagged for some reason. The technical breakdown about OAuth handshakes and orphaned tokens finally makes this whole mess understandable - no wonder the regular customer service reps keep hitting dead ends! I'm definitely planning to follow the same approach you outlined - skip the browser troubleshooting since you already tried that and go straight to the Taxpayer Advocate Service with that specific technical terminology. It's amazing how this thread has become the definitive resource for what seems to be such a widespread issue. Really hoping your call goes smoothly tomorrow and you can finally break free from this authentication purgatory! π€
I'm currently trapped in this exact same authentication loop and finding this thread has been such a relief! I've been dealing with this nightmare for almost two weeks now - ID.me shows I'm fully verified, but every time I try to access my IRS account, it kicks me back to the verification screen. Like so many others here, I made the mistake of calling the regular IRS customer service line multiple times and got the classic runaround - each rep either couldn't see the issue or insisted it was ID.me's problem, while ID.me support just points right back to the IRS. It's the most frustrating bureaucratic ping-pong game ever! The technical explanations in this thread about OAuth handshakes and orphaned authentication tokens finally make this whole mess make sense. No wonder the regular customer service reps keep saying they can't help - they literally don't have access to the backend systems that are causing the problem. Based on all the success stories here, I'm skipping any more attempts with regular customer service and going straight to the Taxpayer Advocate Service at 877-777-4778. I'll use the exact terminology that multiple people have confirmed works: "authentication token synchronization error" and request them to "reset the OAuth handshake." This thread should honestly be featured prominently on the IRS website - it's become the most comprehensive resource for solving this widespread but poorly documented issue. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences and solutions! I'll definitely update once I try the Taxpayer Advocate approach.
Welcome to what feels like the most maddening tech support experience in government services! π€ As someone who's also completely new to this authentication nightmare, I can totally relate to that frustrating ping-pong game between ID.me and IRS support. Two weeks stuck in this loop sounds absolutely brutal - I've only been dealing with it for a few days and I'm already pulling my hair out! The technical explanations about OAuth tokens getting "orphaned" during system updates really opened my eyes to why this isn't a user error but actually a legitimate backend integration failure. It's honestly wild that such a critical system can break so consistently yet there's basically zero official documentation about it anywhere. I'm also planning to try the Taxpayer Advocate Service route after seeing all these success stories - having that specific technical language feels like finally having the right password to reach someone who can actually access the authentication management systems. This whole thread has become such an invaluable community resource! Really hoping your call goes smoothly and you can finally escape this authentication purgatory after two long weeks of frustration. Keep us posted on how it goes! π€
I'm a little confused by some of the responses here. The $5,000 threshold is just about whether you get a 1099-K form, not whether you need to report the income. ALL income is taxable regardless of amount or whether you got a tax form. The only exception would be if you're selling personal items at a loss (like used clothes for less than you paid for them). That's not taxable because there's no profit. But if you're making and selling crafts on Etsy, that's income even if it's just $50. The honest answer to the question is "yes" you received payments through a third party network.
So basically I should just answer "yes" then? I'm just worried about having to fill out a bunch of complicated business forms for what's basically just a hobby that made less than $1000. Will that trigger a full Schedule C or something?
Yes, you should answer "yes" since you did receive payments through Etsy. When you do that, TurboTax will walk you through some additional questions. Since your situation sounds more like a hobby than a business (based on the small amount and how you described it), you may be able to report it as "Other Income" on Schedule 1 rather than filing a full Schedule C. TurboTax should help determine this based on your answers to their follow-up questions about profit motive and how regularly you engage in this activity.
Is nobody going to mention the hobby loss rule? If this is truly a hobby (not a profit-seeking activity), you can report the income but you CANNOT deduct any expenses against it anymore. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act eliminated hobby expense deductions. If you're regularly trying to make money from your Etsy store, it might be better to treat it as a business so you can deduct your expenses. Otherwise you're paying tax on the full $875 with no deductions for your supplies.
This is actually a really important point that's often overlooked. I learned this the hard way last year when I tried to deduct expenses for my occasional DJ gigs that I mostly do for fun.
Anastasia Popova
One thing to keep in mind - if your mom has any assets (not just income), that could affect her eligibility for certain programs regardless of whether you claim her as a dependent. SSI has an asset limit of $2,000 for individuals, and Medicaid has similar restrictions in many states.
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Sean Flanagan
β’This is so true! My mom got denied for Medicaid even though her income was low because she had about $5k in her checking account from selling her car. Had to spend that down before she qualified.
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Ingrid Larsson
I went through almost the exact same situation with my dad last year. One thing I learned that might help - you can actually run both scenarios with a tax professional before making your final decision for the year. What I did was calculate my potential tax savings from claiming him as a dependent (which was about $1,200 for me), then we researched what benefits he'd lose. In his case, he would have lost SSI eligibility worth about $9,500 annually, plus his Medicaid coverage. The math was clear - NOT claiming him saved our family thousands more than the tax deduction was worth. Plus, once he qualified for those programs, it gave him healthcare coverage and some financial independence, which honestly was worth more than just the dollar amount. One tip: if your mom does have that investment account you mentioned, make sure to track any capital gains carefully. Even small stock sales can push someone over the income limits for these programs. We had to be really strategic about when my dad sold any investments to stay under the thresholds. Also consider consulting with both a tax professional AND someone who specializes in government benefits to make sure you're seeing the full picture. The interaction between tax law and benefit eligibility can be pretty complex.
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TechNinja
β’This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the timing aspect you mentioned with stock sales. If my mom needs to sell some investments for living expenses, is there a way to time it strategically to minimize impact on her benefit eligibility? Like would it matter if she sells at the beginning vs end of the year? Also, when you say you consulted with someone who specializes in government benefits, what type of professional was that? I'm having trouble finding someone locally who understands both the tax and benefits side of this equation.
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