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I've been through this exact situation with my retail space! The key thing to understand is that even with a triple net lease, the property taxes should still be calculated based on your proportionate share of the building, not the entire property tax bill. What I discovered in my case was that I was paying 100% of the property taxes when I only occupied about 25% of the building. The county had mistakenly listed me as the sole occupant/owner instead of recognizing that the building had multiple tenants. Here's what worked for me: 1. Get a copy of your lease that shows your square footage vs. total building square footage 2. Calculate what percentage of the building you actually occupied 3. Compare that to what you were paying in property taxes 4. If you were paying more than your fair share, you have grounds for a refund Also, since you mentioned getting bills for the old location after moving out 4 months ago - this is definitely an error that needs immediate attention. The county records haven't been updated to reflect that you're no longer a tenant there. Contact them ASAP because property tax liens can affect the property even if you're not the owner, and it could complicate things for both you and the actual property owner. Don't feel bad about not knowing this stuff - commercial property tax arrangements are confusing and most small business owners aren't experts in this area!
@Emma Olsen This is incredibly helpful! I m'dealing with a similar situation where I suspect I ve'been overpaying property taxes for my small consulting office. Your square footage approach makes perfect sense - I never thought to calculate my proportionate share that way. For getting the refund, did you have to work with both the county and your landlord, or was the county able to handle everything directly? I m'wondering about the logistics since technically the lease says I m'supposed to pay through my landlord, but I ve'been paying the county directly like (the original poster .)Also, do you happen to know if there s'a statute of limitations on how far back you can request refunds for these kinds of overpayments? I ve'potentially been overpaying for about 2.5 years now. Thanks for sharing your experience - it s'reassuring to know others have successfully resolved this!
@Emma Olsen For the refund process, I had to work with both the county and my landlord since the payments were supposed to flow through the landlord according to my lease terms. The county was actually pretty cooperative once I showed them the documentation - they had a Taxpayer "Error Correction process" specifically for situations like this. For documentation, I needed: 1 My) lease agreement showing square footage, 2 A) letter from my landlord confirming total building square footage and number of tenants, and 3 Copies) of all the tax payments I had made directly to the county. Regarding the statute of limitations - in my county it was 3 years from the date of payment, but this varies by jurisdiction so definitely check with your local assessor s'office. Some counties are more flexible if you can prove it was an administrative error on their part. The whole process took about 6 weeks from start to finish, and I got back about $4,200 in overpayments. Definitely worth the effort! The key is having all your documentation organized before you contact them. @Chloe Delgado @Aileen Rodriguez @Savannah Vin - Hope this helps answer your questions too!
I work as a property tax consultant and see this exact scenario weekly with small business owners. You've stumbled into what's unfortunately a very common administrative mess. The root issue is that when you registered your business at that commercial address, someone at the county assessor's office likely made a data entry error and flagged you as the property owner instead of just a tenant. This happens because many counties don't have good systems to distinguish between business registrations and property ownership changes. Here's your action plan: **Immediate steps:** 1. Stop paying any bills for the old location immediately - you have zero legal obligation there 2. Contact the county assessor and school district for the old property with your lease termination documentation 3. Request a "Property Record Correction Form" to officially remove your name from ownership records **For your past payments:** Review your lease to see if you were supposed to pay property taxes at all. If it's a gross lease, you shouldn't have been paying any property taxes directly. If it's triple net, you should only pay your proportionate share (your square footage รท total building square footage ร total property tax). **Getting refunds:** Most counties will issue refunds for up to 3 years of erroneous payments once you provide proper documentation. You'll need your lease, move-out notice, and proof of all payments made. The silver lining? I've helped clients recover anywhere from $2,000 to $15,000 in situations exactly like yours. Don't let this slide - the money is recoverable with the right documentation.
@Samantha Johnson This is such valuable insight from a professional perspective! Your point about the data entry error when registering the business makes so much sense - I bet this happens to way more small business owners than anyone realizes. I m'curious about something you mentioned - the Property "Record Correction Form. Is" this a standard form that most counties have, or does it go by different names in different jurisdictions? I want to make sure I m'asking for the right thing when I contact my county assessor s'office. Also, when you mention that clients have recovered $2,000-$15,000, is that typically for overpayments spanning multiple years, or have you seen cases where someone was drastically overpaying like (paying for an entire building when they only occupied a small portion ?)Thanks for sharing your expertise - it s'really reassuring to hear from someone who deals with these situations professionally!
Just a heads up - if you're going during tax season (Feb-Apr), expect longer wait times even with an appointment. I went in March last year and what should have been 45 mins turned into almost 2 hours because they were swamped. Try to schedule early morning appointments if possible! Also, make sure your phone is charged - they have you wait in different areas and you might want to track your refund status while you're there.
Thanks for the timing tip! That's exactly what I was worried about. Did you end up getting your refund processed faster because you went during peak season, or does the timing of your appointment not really affect how quickly they process everything after? Also wondering if they let you use your phone while waiting or if it's one of those "put everything away" type situations.
I went through this last month and it was pretty straightforward! Definitely bring your original Social Security card, government photo ID, and a copy of your tax return. Also helpful to have the IRS letter that told you to verify your identity. One thing I wish someone had told me - they'll ask you personal questions from your tax history to verify it's really you, so review your return beforehand. The actual appointment was about 30 minutes, but I'd budget an hour total including wait time and security. Good luck!
I'm dealing with this exact same issue! My small retail business does around $180K annually and I've been pulling my hair out trying to track every single item for COGS calculations. It's reassuring to see so many people have successfully made the switch to the small business inventory exception. One question I haven't seen addressed - if we make this change, do we need to notify our accountant or can we handle this ourselves? I use a CPA for my annual returns but do most of the bookkeeping myself throughout the year. I'm wondering if this is something I can implement on my own or if it requires professional guidance to avoid any mistakes with the election statement and documentation. Also, for those who have made the switch - did you notice any issues with your state taxes? I'm in California and want to make sure this federal election doesn't create complications at the state level.
Great questions! I'd definitely recommend involving your CPA in this decision, even if you handle the day-to-day bookkeeping. While the election itself isn't super complicated, switching accounting methods has implications they should review - especially the first-year transition and how it affects your comparative financial statements. Your CPA can also help ensure the election statement is properly worded and filed. Some CPAs have templates for this, and they'll know if there are any state-specific considerations for California. Regarding state taxes - California generally conforms to federal inventory accounting methods, so you should be fine there. But your CPA will know for sure and can confirm there aren't any California-specific requirements or complications with making this election. The peace of mind of having professional guidance on the transition is probably worth the consultation fee, especially since you're already working with them annually.
I've been following this thread with great interest since I'm in a similar boat with my small electronics repair shop. We do about $160K annually and I've been dreading inventory time every quarter. One thing I wanted to add that might help others - when I was researching this last month, I found that the IRS actually has a specific revenue procedure (Rev. Proc. 2018-40) that outlines the simplified procedures for small businesses making this accounting method change. It's worth reading if you want to understand exactly what's required. The key thing I learned is that you don't necessarily need Form 3115 if you're a qualifying small business taxpayer making this specific change, but you do need to include a statement with your return. The statement needs to identify the change, confirm you meet the gross receipts test, and indicate you're electing the treatment under Section 471(c). I'm planning to make this switch for my 2024 return. The time savings alone will be huge - I currently spend about 6 hours every quarter just reconciling inventory for my mix of repair parts and retail items. Anyone else in the repair business made this switch successfully?
Thanks for mentioning Rev. Proc. 2018-40! That's exactly the kind of specific guidance I was looking for. I'm not in the repair business, but I do have a small home goods store with a mix of consignment items and retail inventory, so the complexity is similar to what you're describing. The 6 hours per quarter resonates with me - I probably spend even more than that trying to track everything properly. It's encouraging to hear from someone who's done the research on the specific revenue procedure. Did you find any gotchas or requirements in Rev. Proc. 2018-40 that weren't obvious from the general discussions about Section 471(c)? I'm definitely going to read through that revenue procedure before making my final decision. It sounds like having the official IRS guidance on the simplified procedures could make this transition much smoother than I was expecting.
Don't forget about the actual allocation process once you've got your total purchase price (including assumed debt)! The IRS is super picky about how you allocate across the 7 asset classes. You have to go in order from Class I to Class VII and you can't just randomly assign values. This matters because different classes get different tax treatment.
Does anyone have a good example of how to properly allocate? I'm buying a small manufacturing business with machinery, inventory, and some customer contracts. No idea how to value each part realistically.
For manufacturing businesses, you'll typically need to get professional appraisals for the machinery and equipment to establish fair market values. Inventory should be valued at cost or market value, whichever is lower. Customer contracts and relationships are trickier - they usually fall into Class VI (Section 197 intangibles) and might require a business valuation expert to determine their worth. The key is documenting how you arrived at each value because the IRS will want to see your methodology if they audit. I'd strongly recommend getting at least the major equipment appraised professionally since that's usually the biggest chunk of value in manufacturing deals.
I went through this exact same situation when I bought a restaurant last year. The confusion about where to put assumed debt on Form 8594 is super common because the IRS instructions are terrible about explaining it clearly. What helped me understand it was thinking of it like buying a house with a mortgage - you're still "paying" the full purchase price even though part of it is debt you're taking on. In your case, you gave the seller $133k cash AND took on $42k in debt obligations, so your total consideration is $175k. The key thing that tripped me up initially was realizing that Form 8594 doesn't have a separate line for "debt assumed" - it just cares about the total purchase price and how you allocate that across asset classes. So you put $175k as your total consideration, then figure out how much of that $175k should be allocated to equipment (Class V), inventory (Class IV), etc. Make sure you keep good documentation of the debt assumption in your purchase agreement since that supports the $175k total if the IRS ever asks questions later.
The restaurant purchase analogy really helps clarify this! I was getting hung up on the fact that I didn't physically write a check for the full $175k, but you're absolutely right that taking on debt is still "payment" from the IRS perspective. One follow-up question - when you allocated your total purchase price across the asset classes, did you run into any issues with the equipment that had loans attached? Like, do you value that equipment at its fair market value or at the remaining loan balance? I'm worried about getting the allocation wrong since most of my assumed debt is tied to specific pieces of printing equipment.
Lily Young
As a tax professional who's helped many clients through AMC reverse split situations, I can confirm that Katherine and Chris are spot on. The key thing to remember is that the reverse split itself is NOT a taxable event - you're not reporting the split, you're reporting the eventual sale. Your total cost basis remains $744 regardless of how many shares you ended up with after the split. The $602 loss you calculated ($744 - $142) is correct and will be reported as a short-term capital loss since you held for less than a year. One thing I'd add: definitely keep your original purchase confirmations and any split notices from your broker in case the IRS ever asks for documentation. Corporate actions like reverse splits can sometimes trigger correspondence, so having your paper trail organized will save you headaches down the road. Also make sure there weren't any wash sale violations if you traded AMC around the time of your sale - this can disallow some or all of your loss deduction.
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Anastasia Popova
โขThank you so much for the professional perspective! This is exactly the kind of confirmation I was hoping to get. I do have all my original purchase confirmations saved, and fortunately I didn't buy or sell any more AMC shares within 30 days of my November sale, so I don't think I have any wash sale issues to worry about. It's reassuring to know that the reverse split itself isn't taxable - I was worried I might have to report that separately somehow. I feel much more confident about filing this correctly now. Really appreciate everyone's help on this thread!
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Eli Butler
Just wanted to add one more tip from my experience - if you're using tax software like TurboTax or FreeTaxUSA, they usually have specific screens for handling stock transactions with corporate actions. When you get to the investment section, look for options like "stock splits" or "corporate actions" rather than just entering it as a regular stock sale. Most of these programs will ask you about any splits or other events, and they'll walk you through adjusting the cost basis if needed. But as others have mentioned, if your 1099-B already shows the correct adjusted basis (which most major brokers handle properly now), you can usually just import or enter the numbers directly from the form. The $602 loss will definitely help offset other gains or reduce your taxable income, so at least there's a silver lining to that AMC investment! Sorry to hear about the brother-in-law advice situation - we've all been there with well-meaning family stock tips that don't pan out.
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Carmen Sanchez
โขThis is really helpful advice about the tax software options! I've been using TurboTax for years but never knew they had specific screens for corporate actions like splits. That would definitely make this whole process less intimidating. And yeah, lesson learned about taking investment advice from family members who "know a guy" or saw something on Reddit! At least the loss will help with my taxes this year, and I'll definitely be doing my own research going forward. Thanks for the encouragement - it's nice to know I'm not the only one who's made these kinds of mistakes.
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