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As someone who just went through their second year of EPD K-1 reporting, I wanted to add one more perspective that might help with your anxiety. The first year really is the learning curve, but I found it helpful to think of it as building a valuable skill rather than just a tax headache. Here's what I wish I'd known going in: **EPD actually provides excellent educational resources** beyond just the K-1 form itself. In addition to the sample K-1 that others mentioned, they host webinars in February specifically for individual investors explaining their tax reporting. I attended one last year and it was incredibly helpful - they walk through real examples and answer live questions. One practical tip: **set a calendar reminder for mid-February to check their investor website** for any updated tax guidance or webinar announcements. This gives you time to review materials before your K-1 arrives, so you're not scrambling to understand everything at once. Also, don't underestimate the value of what you're learning here. Understanding MLP taxation makes you a more sophisticated investor and opens up opportunities in the energy infrastructure space that many people avoid simply because they're intimidated by the tax complexity. You're building knowledge that will serve you well if you decide to diversify into other MLPs or energy investments down the road. The fact that you're asking these questions and preparing ahead of time tells me you're going to handle this just fine. EPD really is one of the best MLPs for learning the ropes!
This is such a helpful perspective - reframing it as building a valuable skill rather than just dealing with a tax headache really changes the mindset! I love the idea that understanding MLP taxation actually makes me a more sophisticated investor and could open up other opportunities in the future. The February webinar tip is fantastic! I'm definitely going to set that calendar reminder right now. Having EPD walk through real examples and answer live questions sounds way more valuable than trying to figure everything out on my own from written materials. Your point about this being a learning experience that could help with other energy infrastructure investments is really interesting. I hadn't thought about it that way, but you're right that mastering this process with EPD could make me more comfortable exploring other opportunities in this space that many investors avoid. It's been amazing how this thread has completely transformed my anxiety about the K-1 process into something that actually feels manageable and even educational. Everyone's real-world experiences and practical tips have been so much more valuable than all the generic tax advice I was finding online. Thanks for the encouragement and the reminder that asking questions and preparing ahead of time puts me in a good position to succeed with this!
I just wanted to chime in as someone who's been through the EPD K-1 process for three years now - all the advice in this thread is spot-on, and I can definitely relate to that first-year anxiety you're experiencing! One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that EPD typically sends out a preliminary tax estimate in January that can give you a rough idea of what to expect on your actual K-1. It's not the official form, but it includes estimated distribution breakdowns that can help you prepare and even start organizing your tax documents early. Also, if you're using TurboTax Premier, I'd recommend doing a practice run with last year's sample K-1 from EPD's website just to see how the software handles the data entry. It's kind of like a dry run that can boost your confidence before the real thing arrives. The psychological aspect really can't be overstated - I remember checking my mailbox obsessively in March of my first year! But once you get through it successfully, you'll realize it's just become another part of your annual routine. EPD has been incredibly consistent in my experience, and their investor relations team genuinely knows their stuff if you need help. You're asking all the right questions and preparing well. This community has given you excellent guidance, and you'll be helping the next batch of first-time MLP investors this time next year!
This preliminary tax estimate tip is huge! I had no idea EPD sends that out in January - that sounds like it would really help with planning and reduce some of the uncertainty while waiting for the actual K-1. Being able to get a rough idea of the distribution breakdown ahead of time would definitely help me prepare mentally and organizationally. The practice run idea with last year's sample K-1 is brilliant too. I'm definitely going to do that once I upgrade to TurboTax Premier. It's like rehearsing before the real performance - should make the actual process feel much more familiar when the time comes. Ha, I can already picture myself obsessively checking the mailbox in March! At least now I know that's totally normal behavior for first-time MLP investors. It's so reassuring to hear from someone who's been through multiple cycles with EPD and can confirm their consistency. This whole thread has been like getting mentored by an entire community of experienced MLP investors. I went from being genuinely worried about making a huge tax mistake to actually feeling excited about learning this new aspect of investing. Thanks for adding even more practical tips to an already incredibly helpful discussion!
Don't forget that even if the IRS does classify your business as a hobby, it doesn't mean you can't deduct any expenses! You just have to deduct them differently. Hobby expenses are claimed as itemized deductions on Schedule A rather than business expenses on Schedule C, and you can only deduct up to the amount of income from the hobby. Since the TCJA in 2017, hobby expenses fall under miscellaneous itemized deductions subject to the 2% AGI floor, which means they're effectively eliminated for tax years 2018-2025. But there's talk this might change soon.
This is a bit misleading. The distinction between hobby and business classification is HUGE financially. If classified as a hobby, you can't deduct expenses beyond income (no losses allowed) AND as you mentioned, under current law, most hobby expenses aren't even deductible at all. For someone with $135k in inventory, being classified as a hobby would be financially devastating if they needed to take a loss on liquidation. Those losses would be completely non-deductible under hobby rules.
Based on your situation, you shouldn't be overly concerned about hobby classification. Having a profitable year followed by losses due to losing your main distribution channel actually tells a clear business story that the IRS would likely understand. A few key points that work in your favor: 1. **Substantial inventory ($135k)** - This is strong evidence of business intent. Hobbies don't typically involve six-figure inventory investments. 2. **Previous profitability** - Your $53k profit in 2022 demonstrates you can operate profitably, which is a major factor the IRS considers. 3. **External business disruption** - Losing your marketplace isn't a pattern of poor business management; it's an external factor that legitimate businesses sometimes face. To strengthen your position, document your efforts to rebuild: - Save all communications with potential new distributors - Keep records of marketing efforts and business development activities - Maintain separate business banking and proper bookkeeping - Consider keeping a business journal of your recovery efforts The IRS typically looks for patterns over multiple years, not isolated setbacks. Your situation shows business intent, professional operation, and legitimate profit motive. Focus on rebuilding your sales channels rather than worrying about classification issues that are unlikely to arise given your circumstances.
Has anyone used TurboTax's tax withholding calculator? I'm in almost the exact same situation (making about $55k from two jobs) and trying to figure out if I should adjust my withholding.
I used it last year and it was decent but kinda basic. It missed some details about how having two W-2 jobs works. My actual refund was about $600 less than what it estimated. I'd honestly try that taxr.ai thing someone mentioned above or just talk directly to a tax pro if you're really concerned.
Thanks for the info! I'll probably check out both options. I really want to get this right since I'm trying to save for a house and can't afford a surprise tax bill.
I'm in a super similar situation - just picked up a second job that'll bring me from $35k to around $51k total. One thing I learned the hard way is to make sure you understand the difference between how much tax you'll owe versus how much gets withheld from your paychecks. Your employers will each withhold taxes as if their job is your only income, which usually means you'll be underwithholding overall. I had to go back and adjust my W-4 at my main job to have an extra $150 per month taken out to avoid owing at tax time. Also don't forget about state taxes if you're in a state that has them! And if either job offers benefits like health insurance or retirement contributions, those can help reduce your taxable income too. Good luck with the new opportunity!
This is really helpful advice! I'm actually just starting to research this whole multiple jobs tax situation myself. Quick question - when you say you had to have an extra $150 per month taken out, how did you figure out that specific amount? Did you just estimate or use some kind of calculator? I want to make sure I don't underwithhold but also don't want to give the government an interest-free loan by overwithholding too much.
I'm in the exact same situation - mailed my paper return about 4 weeks ago and that "Return Not Processed" status has been haunting me! Reading through everyone's experiences here has been such a huge relief because I was starting to think the IRS lost my return or I made some critical error. The 8-12 week timeline that everyone keeps mentioning is honestly shocking - I had no idea paper returns would take this long just to show up in their system. I'm definitely going to set up that ID.me account this week to see if I can get more detailed information than just that vague "not processed" message that's been taunting me. I'm also really interested in trying the taxr.ai tool that several people have recommended for better timeline predictions. It sounds like it might give some actual insight into where our returns are in the processing queue instead of leaving us completely in the dark. If I still don't see any movement by the 8-week mark, I'll probably try that Claimyr callback service too. Thanks to everyone for sharing their timelines and experiences - knowing that we're all stuck in this same incredibly slow processing nightmare makes the wait so much more bearable! I've definitely learned my lesson about e-filing for next year. I thought mailing was "safer" but months of anxiety checking that portal obsessively really isn't worth it.
I'm right there with you - mailed my return about 3 weeks ago and already starting to get nervous! This whole thread has been incredibly eye-opening about just how slow paper processing really is right now. I had absolutely no idea we were looking at potentially 8-12 weeks just for it to show up in their system. The ID.me account setup definitely seems like the way to go for better visibility, and I'm taking notes on all the tools people have mentioned here. The taxr.ai tracking tool sounds particularly helpful for getting realistic timelines instead of just that unhelpful "not processed" status that tells us nothing. It's actually somewhat comforting to know that so many of us are stuck in this same frustrating waiting game - at least we know the delays are completely normal for paper filers this year and not something specific to our individual returns. I'm definitely joining the "e-filing next year" club after this experience! Thanks for sharing your timeline and helping make this stressful wait feel less isolating.
I'm dealing with this exact same issue! Mailed my return about 5 weeks ago and have been checking that IRS portal daily with no updates. This thread has been incredibly reassuring - I was genuinely starting to panic that my return got lost or I made some major filing error. The consistent 8-12 week timeline everyone is sharing is way longer than I ever expected for paper returns. I honestly thought we'd see some kind of acknowledgment within 2-3 weeks! I'm definitely going to set up that ID.me account this week to see if I can get more detailed status information. I'm also planning to try the taxr.ai tool that several people mentioned for better timeline predictions. It sounds like it could provide actual insights into where our returns are in the processing queue instead of just that frustrating "not processed" status that tells us absolutely nothing. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences and timelines - knowing that we're all stuck in this same incredibly slow processing situation makes the wait so much more manageable. I've absolutely learned my lesson about e-filing for next year! I chose paper thinking it was more secure, but the months of anxiety definitely aren't worth it.
Ravi Sharma
Don't forget about the actual allocation process once you've got your total purchase price (including assumed debt)! The IRS is super picky about how you allocate across the 7 asset classes. You have to go in order from Class I to Class VII and you can't just randomly assign values. This matters because different classes get different tax treatment.
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Freya Thomsen
ā¢Does anyone have a good example of how to properly allocate? I'm buying a small manufacturing business with machinery, inventory, and some customer contracts. No idea how to value each part realistically.
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Caden Nguyen
ā¢For manufacturing businesses, you'll typically need to get professional appraisals for the machinery and equipment to establish fair market values. Inventory should be valued at cost or market value, whichever is lower. Customer contracts and relationships are trickier - they usually fall into Class VI (Section 197 intangibles) and might require a business valuation expert to determine their worth. The key is documenting how you arrived at each value because the IRS will want to see your methodology if they audit. I'd strongly recommend getting at least the major equipment appraised professionally since that's usually the biggest chunk of value in manufacturing deals.
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Felicity Bud
I went through this exact same situation when I bought a restaurant last year. The confusion about where to put assumed debt on Form 8594 is super common because the IRS instructions are terrible about explaining it clearly. What helped me understand it was thinking of it like buying a house with a mortgage - you're still "paying" the full purchase price even though part of it is debt you're taking on. In your case, you gave the seller $133k cash AND took on $42k in debt obligations, so your total consideration is $175k. The key thing that tripped me up initially was realizing that Form 8594 doesn't have a separate line for "debt assumed" - it just cares about the total purchase price and how you allocate that across asset classes. So you put $175k as your total consideration, then figure out how much of that $175k should be allocated to equipment (Class V), inventory (Class IV), etc. Make sure you keep good documentation of the debt assumption in your purchase agreement since that supports the $175k total if the IRS ever asks questions later.
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Miguel Harvey
ā¢The restaurant purchase analogy really helps clarify this! I was getting hung up on the fact that I didn't physically write a check for the full $175k, but you're absolutely right that taking on debt is still "payment" from the IRS perspective. One follow-up question - when you allocated your total purchase price across the asset classes, did you run into any issues with the equipment that had loans attached? Like, do you value that equipment at its fair market value or at the remaining loan balance? I'm worried about getting the allocation wrong since most of my assumed debt is tied to specific pieces of printing equipment.
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