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Yuki Kobayashi

How much money can you make and still collect Washington ESD unemployment benefits?

I just started a part-time job that pays about $180 a week and I'm wondering if I can still get some unemployment benefits from Washington ESD. I've been getting $420 a week in UI benefits and really don't want to lose everything if I can help it. Does anyone know the exact rules about working while collecting? I heard there's some kind of formula but I can't find clear info on the Washington ESD website.

In Washington, you can earn up to your weekly benefit amount plus $5 before they start reducing your unemployment. So if your weekly benefit is $300, you can make up to $305 without any reduction. After that, they deduct dollar-for-dollar from your benefits.

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Thanks! My weekly benefit is $280 so I should be fine with $200 per week then.

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Just make sure you report everything accurately on your weekly claims or you could face an overpayment later.

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You can earn up to your weekly benefit amount minus $5 and still get partial benefits. So if your WBA is $487, you could earn up to $482 and still get something. But Washington ESD deducts your earnings from your benefit amount, so if you earn $200 they'd pay you $287 that week.

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That makes sense, thanks! So as long as I don't go over $482 I'll still get some benefits?

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Exactly! Just make sure to report all your earnings when you file your weekly claim. Don't try to hide anything or you'll get an overpayment notice later.

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Yes you can work part time and still get partial benefits! Washington ESD has an earnings deduction formula. Basically they subtract your gross weekly earnings from your weekly benefit amount, but there's also a small earnings disregard. So if you're making $180 and your weekly benefit is $420, you'd still get some UI.

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That's a relief! Do you know what the earnings disregard amount is? I want to make sure I'm calculating this right.

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I think it's like $5 but don't quote me on that. The important thing is you have to report ALL your earnings when you file your weekly claim.

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You can earn up to 1.5 times your weekly benefit amount before you completely lose eligibility for that week. So with your $487 weekly benefit, you could earn up to about $730 in gross wages and still get something. But your benefit gets reduced dollar-for-dollar after you earn more than 25% of your weekly benefit amount ($121.75 in your case).

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Wait so if I make $200 that week, I'd get $487 minus the amount over $121.75? So $487 - $78.25 = $408.75?

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Exactly! You've got it right. Just make sure to report all your gross earnings when you file your weekly claim.

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wait I thought it was different than that? I've been working part time and they take out way more than what I earn

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Are you reporting your gross earnings or net? You have to report gross earnings before taxes and deductions. That might be why it seems like they're taking more.

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ohhhh that's probably it. I was reporting what I actually got paid after taxes

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You can work part-time and still collect some unemployment benefits in Washington. The key is reporting your earnings correctly on your weekly claim. Washington ESD uses a formula to calculate how much your benefits get reduced based on what you earn.

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Thanks! Do you know what the exact formula is? I want to make sure I'm calculating this right.

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Washington ESD subtracts your gross earnings from your weekly benefit amount, but there's usually a small earnings disregard. Check your benefit determination letter for the exact numbers.

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The key thing is reporting EVERYTHING to Washington ESD. Even if you think you're under the limit, report all your wages and let them calculate it. I've seen people get overpayment notices because they didn't report small amounts thinking it wouldn't matter.

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This is so important! I tried to calculate it myself once and got it wrong. Now I just report everything and let ESD figure it out.

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What happens if you get an overpayment notice? Can you appeal it?

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Yes you can appeal overpayments within 30 days if you think it's wrong. But it's better to be accurate from the start.

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been doing part time work while on unemployment for months now. the key is being honest about your earnings when you do your weekly claim. Washington ESD will catch it eventually if you don't report correctly

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How do they catch unreported income? Do they cross-check with employers?

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yeah they get quarterly wage reports from all employers. better to report everything upfront than deal with an overpayment later

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I've been trying to call Washington ESD for weeks about this exact question but can never get through. Their phone system is horrible - either busy signal or it hangs up on you after waiting forever. Has anyone found a way to actually talk to someone there?

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I had the same problem until I found Claimyr. It's a service that calls Washington ESD for you and gets you connected to an agent. I was able to talk to someone within a few hours instead of trying for weeks. Check out claimyr.com - they have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works.

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The current earnings disregard in Washington is $5 per week. So they take your gross earnings, subtract $5, then subtract that amount from your weekly benefit. In your case: $420 - ($180 - $5) = $245 per week in UI benefits. You'd get $245 + $180 = $425 total income.

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Perfect! So I'd actually make more money total than just unemployment alone. That makes the part-time work worth it.

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Just make sure you report those earnings correctly on your weekly claim. Washington ESD will cross-check with employers.

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The formula is: Weekly Benefit Amount - (Earnings - $5) = Benefit Payment. So if you earn exactly your WBA, you get $5. If you earn more than your WBA, you get nothing that week.

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This is the clearest explanation I've seen. So basically the $5 is like a work incentive?

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Exactly. Washington ESD wants to encourage people to take any work available, even if it's just a few hours.

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I've been dealing with this same situation. In Washington, you can generally earn up to about 1/3 of your weekly benefit amount without any reduction. After that, they reduce your benefits dollar for dollar. So if your weekly benefit is $300, you could earn around $100 without losing any benefits.

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Wait, is that right? I thought any earnings would reduce your benefits.

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There is a small earnings disregard in Washington, but it's not huge. The exact amount depends on your weekly benefit calculation.

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Just make sure you report ALL your earnings when you file your weekly claim! Even if it's just $20, you have to report it. Washington ESD will find out eventually through wage matching and you could face an overpayment if you don't report correctly.

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This is so important! My friend got hit with a huge overpayment because she forgot to report some cash work she did.

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Good point, I'll definitely report everything. Better safe than sorry.

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Sounds too good to be true tbh. How much does something like that cost?

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I was in a similar situation last year and had trouble getting through to Washington ESD to ask about the earnings limits. Finally used claimyr.com to get connected to an actual agent who explained everything clearly. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works. Really helpful when you need to talk to someone about your specific situation.

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I'd rather pay something to get through than spend hours calling and getting hung up on. The peace of mind was worth it for me.

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I was in a similar situation last year and had trouble getting through to Washington ESD to ask about the earnings rules. Spent hours on hold trying to get clarification. Finally used Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to an actual agent who explained everything clearly. They have this demo video too: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ. Made the whole process so much easier than trying to navigate the phone system myself.

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Never heard of that service before. Does it actually work for getting through to Washington ESD?

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Sounds too good to be true but I'm desperate enough to try anything at this point. Been trying to reach them for weeks.

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wait so if my benefit is $250 and I make $300 in a week I would only get $-45 in unemployment? That doesn't make sense, do they just give you $0 that week?

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No, if your earnings exceed your weekly benefit amount plus $5, you get $0 in unemployment for that week. You don't owe them money.

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Oh okay that makes more sense lol. I was confused for a minute there.

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Be careful about this though!! I worked part time and thought I was doing everything right but still got hit with an overpayment notice months later. Turns out I made a mistake on one of my weekly claims and they said I owed back $800.

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Oh no! What kind of mistake did you make? I'm scared I'll mess something up.

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I reported the wrong week for when I worked. I worked Sunday but reported it for the wrong weekly claim period. Make sure you know which week your work belongs to!

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Yes this is super important. The weekly claim period runs Sunday through Saturday, and you report earnings for the week you actually worked, not when you got paid.

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I was in a similar situation last year and had trouble getting through to Washington ESD to ask about my earnings calculation. Phone lines were always busy. I ended up using Claimyr.com to get connected to an actual agent - they have this system that calls you back when an agent is available. There's a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works. Made it so much easier to get my questions answered.

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How much does that service cost? I've been trying to call for weeks.

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It was worth it for me since I was getting nowhere with the regular phone system. Much better than spending hours on hold.

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MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE 25% RULE!!! I made the mistake of not reporting $150 one week thinking it wouldn't matter and ended up with an overpayment notice months later. Washington ESD doesn't mess around with unreported income.

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How much did you have to pay back? Was it just the $150 or more?

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Had to pay back the full weekly benefit amount plus penalties. Learned my lesson the hard way!

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I've been doing gig work (DoorDash, Uber) while on unemployment and it's been working fine. Just report whatever you make each week and let Washington ESD do the math. Some weeks I make nothing, some weeks I make $300, just depends.

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How do you track all that? Do they want receipts or anything?

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I just keep track in a notebook. They've never asked for proof but I keep my records just in case.

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This whole system is so confusing. Why can't they just let you work without taking away benefits? People need to eat

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I know right? Other states handle this better. Washington ESD makes everything so complicated.

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The point of unemployment is to replace lost wages while you look for full-time work. If you could work unlimited hours and still get full benefits, that wouldn't make sense.

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I guess but when you're barely making ends meet every dollar counts

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MAKE SURE you report your earnings BEFORE you work, not after! I made the mistake of working first then reporting and it caused all kinds of issues with my claim. Washington ESD wants to know about the work in advance.

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Wait, really? I thought you just reported it when you file your weekly claim after the work week ends.

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Actually you report it when you file your weekly claim for the week you worked. You don't need to report it in advance. Just be accurate about the dates and amounts.

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I've been doing gig work while on unemployment and it's so confusing trying to figure out what to report. Some weeks I make $50, other weeks $300. Do I need to report the gross amount or net?

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You report gross earnings before taxes. Washington ESD wants to know your total wages before any deductions.

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And make sure you're available for full-time work even with the gig stuff. That's part of the job search requirements.

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Good point about the availability requirement. I always mark that I'm available for full-time work on my weekly claims.

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Here's the basic rule: you report your GROSS earnings (before taxes) for the week you earned them, not when you get paid. So if you worked Monday-Friday and earned $200, you report that $200 on the weekly claim for that specific week.

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What if you get paid every two weeks? Do you split the earnings between the weeks you worked?

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Yes, exactly. You report earnings for the week you actually worked, regardless of when the paycheck comes.

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i think the limit is like 30 hours a week or something? not sure about the money part

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There's no specific hour limit in Washington. It's based on your earnings. You could work 40 hours at minimum wage and still get partial benefits if your earnings are low enough.

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oh ok good to know

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Here's the breakdown for Washington state: First 25% of your weekly benefit amount doesn't reduce your payment at all. Anything above that reduces your benefit dollar-for-dollar. If you earn more than 1.5 times your weekly benefit, you get $0 for that week but your claim stays active.

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Is this the same rule for standby benefits or just regular UI?

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Same rules apply to standby as far as I know, but standby has other requirements about being attached to your employer.

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Does anyone know if unemployment benefits count towards the earnings limit if you're getting benefits from another state? I used to live in Oregon but now I'm in Washington.

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That's a really specific situation. You might need to call Washington ESD directly to ask about interstate benefits.

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I had a friend who used that Claimyr service to get through to ESD for a similar interstate question. Apparently the agents can look up your whole situation and give you the right answer.

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Pro tip: if you're close to your earnings limit for the week, it might be worth it to turn down extra hours that would put you over. I did the math and working 2 more hours would have cost me $200 in benefits.

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That's the welfare cliff problem. The system penalizes you for working more sometimes.

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But isn't the goal to get back to full time work? Seems like gaming the system

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When you've got bills to pay you do what makes financial sense. I'm not gaming anything, just being smart about it.

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The earning limits are frustrating because you're basically penalized for working. Like why would I take a job that pays $250 if I'm getting $300 in unemployment?

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I get the frustration but it's designed to encourage people to find full-time work rather than stay on benefits long-term.

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Plus any work experience is better than none, even if it's part-time. And you're still getting some money from both sources.

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True, I guess the work experience does matter for future job applications.

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Does anyone know if this applies to self-employment income too? I'm thinking about doing some freelance work

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Yes, self-employment income counts the same way. You report your net earnings after business expenses.

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Just make sure you can prove your business expenses if they ask. Keep all receipts.

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I'm so confused by all this. What happens if you earn more than your weekly benefit amount? Do you just get nothing that week?

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If your earnings exceed your weekly benefit amount plus the earnings disregard, you typically get $0 for that week. But you can still file your claim to keep your claim active.

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Ok that makes sense. At least the claim stays active.

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Thanks everyone! So just to make sure I have this right - with my $487 weekly benefit, I can earn up to $121.75 without any reduction, then anything above that reduces my benefit dollar for dollar until I hit $730.50 where I'd get nothing that week?

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You got it! And remember this is gross income before taxes, not take-home pay.

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Perfect, that helps a lot. The job offer is looking more appealing now that I know the math.

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I tried using one of those callback services someone mentioned and it actually worked! Got connected to Washington ESD in like 2 hours instead of calling for days. Finally got my questions answered about working part time.

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Which service did you use? There are a few different ones out there

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Claimyr - they handle all the calling and waiting for you. Worth every penny to not waste time on hold.

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The Washington ESD system is so confusing about this stuff. I wish they'd just have clear examples on their website instead of making people guess.

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Agreed! Everything is written in legal jargon that's hard to understand.

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They do have a calculator tool somewhere on the site but it's buried pretty deep.

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