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I'm 58 and have been researching this topic extensively as I approach my own filing decision in a few years. This entire thread has been absolutely phenomenal - thank you all for creating such a comprehensive resource! One aspect I haven't seen discussed yet is how divorce and spousal benefits might interact with the earnings test. If you're divorced and eligible to claim benefits on an ex-spouse's record while also working part-time, do the same earnings limits apply? I know divorced spousal benefits can sometimes be claimed independently of what the ex-spouse does, but I'm wondering if the earnings test calculations work the same way. Also, for those who mentioned keeping detailed monthly tracking spreadsheets - have any of you found good templates or tools specifically designed for tracking Social Security earnings limits? I'm a bit of a spreadsheet nerd and would love to create something comprehensive that accounts for all the variables discussed here (monthly vs annual tests, bonus timing, different pay schedules, etc.). This community's collective wisdom has been incredibly valuable for someone trying to navigate all these complex decisions. I'm definitely bookmarking this thread and will probably reference it many times as I get closer to filing!

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Great question about divorced spousal benefits and the earnings test! Yes, the same earnings limits apply whether you're claiming benefits on your own record or on an ex-spouse's record. The earnings test is based on YOUR work income, not whose Social Security record you're claiming benefits from. So if you're receiving divorced spousal benefits and working part-time, you'd still need to stay under that $23,400 annual limit (or $1,950 monthly in your first year) to avoid benefit withholding. The good news is that your ex-spouse's work income doesn't affect your benefits at all - only your own earnings matter for the test. As for spreadsheet templates, I haven't found any specifically designed for SS earnings tracking, but I've been working on creating one that includes columns for monthly wages, bonus timing, pay date variations, and running totals for both monthly and annual limits. If there's interest, I'd be happy to share a template once I get it refined. The key is tracking actual pay dates rather than pay periods, since that's what determines which month the earnings count toward.

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This has been an incredibly informative discussion! As someone who's about to turn 62 myself and trying to figure out my own Social Security strategy, I've learned so much from reading everyone's experiences. The step-by-step approach Sofia outlined at the end is brilliant - starting with the earnings record review, using the AARP calculator, then calling with prepared questions during off-peak hours. I especially appreciate the emphasis on documentation and getting everything in writing. One question I have for the group: has anyone dealt with the situation where one spouse has significantly higher lifetime earnings but started collecting early (like the original poster), while the other spouse might benefit from waiting longer? I'm wondering if there are any special considerations when the timing of each spouse's claim is staggered like that, particularly regarding survivor benefits down the road.

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Great question about staggered timing! This is actually a really important consideration that doesn't get discussed enough. When one spouse takes benefits early (like Chloe's situation) and the other might wait, you're right to think about survivor benefits. Here's what I've learned: the surviving spouse gets the higher of their own benefit OR the deceased spouse's benefit amount - but it's based on what the deceased spouse was actually receiving (including any early filing reductions), not their full retirement age amount. So if Chloe's husband had waited until full retirement age, his benefit would be higher, and that higher amount would eventually become her potential survivor benefit. However, given their current financial situation requiring both incomes now, the bird-in-the-hand approach often makes sense. The break-even analysis someone mentioned earlier becomes crucial here - you need to weigh the guaranteed income now versus the potential for higher survivor benefits later. I'd definitely recommend including survivor benefit projections in your planning spreadsheet!

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This entire discussion has been so incredibly helpful! I'm in a very similar situation to the original poster - my husband started collecting at 62 and I'm trying to figure out my best strategy for spousal benefits. Reading through everyone's experiences has really opened my eyes to how complex this decision is. I had no idea about things like the deemed filing rules, the Government Pension Offset, or how survivor benefits factor into the long-term picture. The practical tips about documenting calls, asking for claims specialists, and using the AARP calculator are exactly what I needed. I'm definitely going to follow Sofia's action plan approach - starting with the online earnings record review and then calling with a prepared list of questions. One thing that's really struck me is how much the timing decision affects not just the immediate benefit amount, but also taxes, Medicare premiums, and future survivor benefits. It's clearly not just about maximizing the monthly Social Security payment, but about optimizing the entire retirement income strategy. Thank you all for sharing your real-world experiences - it's made what seemed like an impossible decision feel much more manageable!

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As a newcomer to this community, I have to say this thread has been absolutely incredible for dispelling the January myth! I'm 62 and still a few years away from my FRA, but I've already started getting that familiar "January is best" advice from friends and coworkers who seem so certain about it but can't provide any actual reasoning. What's been most eye-opening is seeing how this advice gets passed around like gospel truth when it really only applies to very specific circumstances. The detailed breakdown everyone has provided - earnings test concerns for people still working, complex family benefit coordination, specific tax planning needs - has made it clear that for most people planning straightforward retirements at FRA, the month you file is really about personal convenience rather than financial optimization. The real-world experiences shared here have been invaluable. @Paolo Moretti's story about his sister being caught off guard by the payment delay, @Natasha Romanova's regret about missing 4 months of benefits by following generic advice, and @Darcy Moore's successful experience filing in June all demonstrate that there's no magic to January timing for most situations. These stories are worth so much more than all the generic advice articles that just repeat the same myths without context. I especially appreciate @Paloma Clark's insight about financial advisors sometimes thinking more about portfolio management than actual Social Security rules - that explains why this advice persists even when it doesn't make financial sense for individual situations! This discussion has given me such confidence for my future planning. Instead of stressing about some mythical "perfect" month, I can focus on practical considerations like when I'll actually be ready to retire and when filing will be most convenient for my situation. Thanks to everyone for creating such an informative and myth-busting discussion!

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm so grateful to have found this incredibly thorough discussion! I'm 66 and will reach my FRA in September, and like virtually everyone else who's commented here, I've been getting that persistent "January is best" advice from multiple well-meaning sources who couldn't explain the actual reasoning behind it. This thread has been like a masterclass in separating Social Security facts from widespread fiction. What really strikes me is how confidently this January advice gets repeated, yet when you examine the actual mechanics (as everyone has done so brilliantly here), it only provides real benefits in very specific scenarios - primarily for people still working who might hit earnings test limits, or those coordinating complex family benefits. The personal experiences shared here have been absolutely invaluable. From @Paolo Moretti's sister learning about the payment delay shock, to @Natasha Romanova's honest regret about missing 4 months of benefits she was entitled to, to @Darcy Moore's reassuring success with filing in June - these real-world outcomes carry so much more weight than generic advice that just perpetuates myths without context. I particularly appreciated @Paloma Clark's insight about how this advice often originates from financial advisors focused on portfolio management rather than actual Social Security optimization. That perfectly explains why I keep hearing it even though my situation (fully retired at FRA with straightforward benefits) doesn't seem to require any special January timing! Thanks to this discussion, I now feel completely confident about filing in September when I reach FRA, rather than delaying until January and missing out on months of payments I'm already entitled to. This community is exactly what I needed to cut through retirement planning myths with actual facts and real experiences!

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I'm sorry for your loss and the financial stress you're dealing with. Based on everything shared here, it sounds like you have a strong case for survivor benefits. One small thing to add - when you gather your documents, make sure to get certified copies of your marriage and divorce certificates rather than just photocopies. Some SSA offices are pickier about this than others. Also, if your first husband had military service, mention that during your appointment as it might affect benefit calculations. The folks here have given you excellent advice about the claiming strategies. I'd especially emphasize what others said about asking to see the actual dollar amounts for different scenarios - survivor benefits now vs. waiting, your own benefits at different ages, etc. Having those concrete numbers will help you make the best decision for your situation. Hang in there, and I hope the process goes smoothly for you!

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That's really good advice about getting certified copies - I definitely would have just brought photocopies and probably would have been sent home to get the right documents! And thank you for mentioning the military service aspect. My first husband did serve in the Army for about 4 years in the early 80s before we met, so I'll make sure to bring that up during my appointment. I hadn't even thought about how that might factor into the benefit calculations. This whole thread has been such a goldmine of practical tips that I never would have known about otherwise. I'm feeling much more prepared and confident about navigating this process now. Thank you to everyone who has shared their experiences and advice!

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I'm really glad you found this thread helpful! Just to add one more resource that might be useful - the SSA has a publication called "Survivors Benefits" (Publication No. 05-10084) that explains all the rules in detail. You can find it on their website or ask for a copy when you visit the office. It's much clearer than trying to navigate their general website. Also, if you have any friends or family who might be good advocates, consider bringing someone with you to your appointment. Sometimes having a second set of ears helps catch important details, especially when you're dealing with grief and financial stress at the same time. The whole process can feel overwhelming, but you're taking all the right steps and asking all the right questions. Wishing you the best outcome with your application!

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm so grateful to have found this discussion! I'm currently 58 and going through a divorce after 19 years of marriage, so while I'm not quite at FRA yet, this thread has been incredibly educational about what to expect in a few years. The consistent advice from everyone about not needing the ex-spouse's SSN is such a huge relief - I was really worried that would be a major obstacle since communication with my ex is... let's just say complicated! @Nia Davis, it sounds like you're getting fantastic guidance here. I'm particularly grateful for all the practical tips like scheduling 3 months ahead and making sure to get certified copies of documents. What really stands out to me is how many people have shared their actual success stories rather than just theoretical advice - it makes the whole process feel so much more achievable. I'm definitely bookmarking this entire thread for when I need it in a couple of years. Thank you to everyone for creating such a supportive space where people can get real answers to these important financial questions!

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@Sean O'Brien Welcome to the community! As someone who just joined recently myself, I'm amazed by how much valuable information has been shared in this thread. Your situation sounds very similar to what many others here have experienced, and it's great that you're planning ahead even though you have a few years before your FRA. The consistency in everyone's advice about the process being manageable without needing the ex-spouse's cooperation is really reassuring, especially when communication is difficult (I totally understand that!). I've been taking notes on all the practical tips shared here too - the certified documents, scheduling timeline, and realistic expectations about the process. It's wonderful to see how this community supports people through these complex financial decisions with real experiences rather than just policy information. Thanks for adding your perspective to this discussion - it helps all of us newcomers feel less alone in navigating these challenging situations!

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As a newcomer to this community, I want to thank everyone for this incredibly thorough and helpful discussion! I'm currently 56 and recently divorced after 17 years of marriage, so while I still have a few years before reaching my FRA, this thread has been like a masterclass in understanding ex-spouse Social Security benefits. The consistent message from multiple people about not needing the ex-spouse's SSN and the process being more straightforward than expected is so reassuring. @Nia Davis, you're getting excellent advice here - particularly about scheduling your appointment 3 months before your FRA and having those certified documents ready. What I find most valuable is how many community members have shared their actual experiences rather than just repeating policy information. It really helps to hear real success stories! I'm definitely saving this entire thread for reference when I need to navigate this process myself in a couple of years. Thank you to everyone for being so generous with sharing your knowledge and creating such a supportive environment for discussing these complex but important financial topics!

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@Haley Bennett Welcome to the community! As another newcomer, I m'so glad you found this discussion as helpful as I have. It s'amazing how much practical knowledge has been shared here - I ve'been taking notes throughout this entire thread! Like you, I m'a few years away from needing this information myself, but reading everyone s'real experiences has made what seemed like an overwhelming process feel much more manageable. The fact that so many people have confirmed the same key points about documentation and timing really builds confidence. @Nia Davis seems to have gotten all the guidance she needs to move forward, and the rest of us have learned so much in the process. It s'wonderful to find a community where people are so willing to share their actual experiences rather than just theoretical advice. Thanks for highlighting how valuable this has been - it really shows what makes this community special for those of us navigating these important life transitions!

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