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Can 16 years in Texas TRS system trigger WEP reduction on future Social Security benefits?

Just discovered the whole WEP situation and I'm freaking out a bit! I worked for 16 years as a teacher in Texas, contributing ONLY to the Teacher Retirement System (no Social Security withholding). Now I've switched to corporate work 2 years ago where I'm paying into Social Security. I'm 38 now. From what I'm reading, I might get penalized on my future SS benefits because of my teacher pension? How many years do I need to contribute to Social Security to avoid this WEP reduction? Is it 30 years of "substantial earnings" under Social Security? Does that mean I need to work until I'm 66?! Really confused about how this all works. Any help would be SUPER appreciated. Sorry if these are basic questions - this is all new territory for me!

You're asking about the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP), which can reduce Social Security benefits for people who receive pensions from jobs not covered by Social Security (like your TRS pension). Yes, you need 30 years of "substantial earnings" under Social Security to completely avoid the WEP reduction. The WEP reduction is actually phased out gradually - at 20 years of substantial earnings, the reduction begins to decrease, and by 30 years, it's eliminated completely. For 2025, "substantial earnings" means making at least $30,875 per year in SS-covered employment (this amount is adjusted annually). Since you're 38 and have 2 years of SS-covered work so far, you would need 28 more years (at substantial earnings levels) to fully eliminate WEP, which would put you at age 66. But remember, the reduction starts decreasing at 20 years, so even if you don't make it to 30, each additional year helps.

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Thank you! This is helpful but also... not what I was hoping to hear. :( So if I only end up with 25 years of "substantial earnings" before retirement, I'd still face SOME reduction, just not the full reduction? Is there any way to calculate how much I might lose?

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same boat here but in California. It SUUUCKS. I worked 12 yrs teaching and now switched to tech. The whole system is rigged against us. The SS website has a calculator but its so complicated and I couldnt figure it out.

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Ugh, I'm sorry you're dealing with this too! I had NO idea about any of this when I was teaching. Wish someone had explained how this works before I spent 16 years in the system. Have you found any good resources to understand it better?

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The reduction isn't as bad as many people fear. Here's how it works: Without WEP, Social Security uses a formula that gives you 90% of your first tier of average indexed monthly earnings (AIME). With WEP, that 90% factor can be reduced to as low as 40%. But for every year over 20 years of substantial earnings, the reduction decreases by 5%. So with 25 years, instead of 40%, you'd get 65% of that first tier. The maximum WEP reduction for 2025 is about $588 per month, but it can never reduce your benefit by more than half of your non-covered pension. Also worth noting: if your TRS pension is relatively small, the impact of WEP may be less significant. And if you have high lifetime earnings under Social Security, the percentage impact of WEP becomes smaller because it only affects the first tier of the benefit calculation.

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Thanks for explaining this! So if I understand correctly, with my 16 years in TRS and if I manage 25 years of substantial earnings under SS, I'd get 65% instead of 90% of that first tier of AIME? And the maximum reduction would be $588/month or half my teacher pension (whichever is less)? Is there a way to estimate what my SS benefit would be with vs without WEP? Sorry for all the questions!

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They don't tell teachers about this stuff on purpose I swear!! I found out after 22 years and almost had a heart attack. Now I gotta keep working till I'm practically dead just to get my full SS. Just another way they screw educators.

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right??? how is this not explained CLEARLY when we start teaching?! I wasted 9 years before finding out. complete bs!

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The SSA has a WEP calculator on their website that can help you estimate your reduced benefit. Search for "WEP calculator" on ssa.gov. You'll need to create a my Social Security account if you don't already have one to see your earnings history. Another option is to call SSA directly to ask for an estimate, but reaching a knowledgeable representative can take hours of waiting on hold.

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I tried calling SSA about this exact situation last month - had to wait over 2 hours and then got disconnected. I ended up using Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to an agent without the wait. It worked perfectly and the agent was able to do a custom calculation for my WEP situation. They have a video showing how it works here: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU The representative was able to give me precise numbers for different retirement ages with WEP factored in, which was much more helpful than the online calculator.

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I just looked at the SSA website's info on WEP and I'm still confused about something - does the 30 years have to be consecutive? Or just 30 years total over my lifetime? Also, if I work part-time for a few years while my kids are young, would those years still count toward the 30 if I meet the "substantial earnings" threshold?

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Good news - the years do NOT need to be consecutive! Just 30 years total over your lifetime where you meet the substantial earnings threshold for each of those years. And yes, if you work part-time but still earn enough to meet the substantial earnings amount for that year (which is $30,875 for 2025), that year will count toward your 30. The SSA only cares about whether your annual SS-covered earnings met the threshold, not whether you worked full-time or part-time to earn that amount.

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I was in a similar situation (14 years teaching in Illinois). I found that maximizing my 401k and other tax-advantaged accounts in my new corporate job helps offset some of the projected losses. Since the WEP only affects the Social Security portion of retirement income, building up other sources becomes really important. Have you looked into retirement savings options at your new employer?

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That's a really good point! Yes, I'm contributing to my company's 401k with a 6% match, but maybe I should increase it. Do you know if traditional IRA contributions help in this situation too? I still have my TRS pension that will pay something, but I'm worried it won't be enough since I left teaching mid-career.

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my uncle retired last year and he told me you can also check if your state has a "totalization agreement" or something?? might be worth looking into for texas

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You're thinking of "totalization agreements" which are international agreements between the US and other countries for coordinating Social Security benefits. What you're referring to would be a Section 218 Agreement, which allows state and local government employers to provide Social Security coverage to their employees. However, just because a state has such an agreement doesn't mean all public employers participate. In Texas, participation in Social Security is optional for public education employees, and it appears the OP's school districts chose not to participate.

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One important thing to check: make absolutely sure your TRS years were completely exempt from Social Security. Some Texas school districts actually do participate in Social Security alongside TRS. If any of your teaching years had SS contributions, they might count toward your 30 years (if they met the substantial earnings threshold). If you have access to your Social Security Statement (through my Social Security online), it will show your yearly earnings record. Look for any earnings during your teaching years - if you see some, those years might actually count!

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Oh wow, I hadn't thought of checking that! I'm pretty sure none of my districts participated in SS (they all emphasized the TRS pension as our retirement plan), but I'll definitely check my SS statement to make sure. That would be amazing if some of those years could count toward the 30!

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i retired early at 57 from teaching after 22 years and started a business. worked 8 more years paying into SS. still got hit with WEP but not as bad as i feared. the good thing is my business income was higher than teaching so my SS benefit is still decent even with reduction. sometimes the best option is just earning more in your new career!

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That's encouraging to hear! My corporate salary is definitely higher than my teaching salary was, so hopefully that helps. Mind if I ask roughly what percentage reduction you faced with 22 years teaching + 8 years SS?

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I've been researching this topic for months and there's been occasional talk in Congress about reforming or eliminating WEP, though nothing has passed yet. The "Social Security Fairness Act" gets reintroduced regularly. Might be worth keeping an eye on potential legislative changes over the next few decades before you retire.

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They've been promising to fix this for DECADES. Don't hold your breath!!!

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