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Social Security retirement calculation after WEP elimination - will they include non-SS job income?

I'm turning 66 and 2 months in March 2025 (my FRA) and planning to apply for Social Security retirement then. My work history is complicated and I'm confused about how the WEP elimination affects me. For the past 15 years, I've worked simultaneously at two jobs - one as a public school teacher where I don't pay into Social Security and earn about $65,000/yr, and another weekend job as a retail manager where I DO pay SS taxes (about $28,000/yr). I have my 40 credits from the retail job and previous work. Now that the Windfall Elimination Provision has been eliminated, will Social Security calculate my retirement benefit using BOTH incomes combined or just the one where I paid into the system? The difference would be significant for my monthly benefit. My financial advisor gave me conflicting information, and I can't get through to SSA on the phone.

You're understanding the situation correctly now. To summarize where things stand for you: 1. Your SS retirement benefit will be calculated using only your retail job earnings where you paid SS taxes 2. The benefit will now use the regular formula (no WEP reduction) 3. For spousal benefits: If 2/3 of your teacher pension ($3,200 ร— 2/3 = $2,133) exceeds 50% of your husband's benefit ($950 ร— 0.5 = $475), then yes, the GPO would eliminate any spousal benefits When you apply in March 2025, I recommend bringing documentation of both your covered and non-covered work to your appointment, as some SSA representatives are still getting familiar with how to properly implement the WEP elimination correctly.

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Thank you so much for this clear explanation. I'll definitely bring all my documentation with me. Is there a specific form I should request or ask about to make sure they process my application without applying the old WEP formula?

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There's no specific form to request regarding WEP elimination. The change in law should be automatically applied to your benefit calculation. However, it's always good to specifically mention to the representative that you understand the Windfall Elimination Provision has been eliminated and you want to make sure your benefit is calculated using the standard formula. If you create a my Social Security account at ssa.gov, you can check your earnings record to ensure all your covered employment (the retail job) is properly recorded before your appointment. This can prevent delays in processing your application.

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just wanted to add that when i applied they were super confused about the WEP change at first! so definitely be prepared to kindly remind them about it. my sister had to talk to 3 different people before finding someone who knew how to handle it right

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That's really helpful advice about checking my earnings record online first! I just created my account and can see all my retail job earnings are properly recorded. It's reassuring to know the WEP elimination should be automatic, but I'll definitely mention it explicitly when I apply. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this has been so much more helpful than what I got from my financial advisor!

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Can I get spousal benefits top-up if both my husband and I claim Social Security before FRA?

I'm trying to figure out our Social Security claiming strategy and it's confusing me. My husband (63) and I (62) are both planning to start collecting our SS retirement benefits early. I've heard about spousal benefits that can top up my payment if his benefit is a lot higher than mine. My SS statement says I'll get about $1,750/month at 66 and 8 months (my FRA), but only $1,260 if I claim at 62. My husband's FRA amount is around $2,900. Here's what I don't understand - if we BOTH claim before our FRA, do I have to wait until he reaches his full retirement age before I can get the spousal top-up? Or can I get the reduced spousal benefit as soon as we both file? Our financial advisor mentioned something about this but I didn't fully understand. Also, will my spousal benefit be permanently reduced because I'm claiming early? I'm so confused about how this all works! Any help would be appreciated.

Looking at your numbers more carefully, there's something important to consider for your long-term planning: If you wait until your FRA (66+8mo), your own benefit would be $1,750. The full 50% spousal benefit based on your husband's $2,900 PIA would be $1,450. Since your own benefit at FRA ($1,750) is greater than the spousal benefit ($1,450), you would not receive a spousal top-up even at FRA. However, your husband's benefit will be significantly reduced by claiming at 63 (about 22.5% reduction). You both might want to reconsider your filing strategy if your financial situation allows waiting longer.

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This is eye-opening. I didn't realize my own benefit at FRA would actually be higher than the spousal benefit even at full value. So I really wouldn't get a spousal benefit at all, regardless of when I file? Maybe we need to completely rethink our approach. Thank you all for helping me understand this!

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You're absolutely right to rethink your approach! Based on what others have explained here, it sounds like you have a relatively strong work record that eliminates any spousal benefit advantage. One thing to consider is the break-even analysis - at what age would the higher monthly payments from waiting offset the years of missed payments from filing early? For many people, this break-even point is around age 78-80. Also, don't forget about the earnings test if either of you plans to work after claiming. If you're under FRA and earn more than $22,320 (2024 limit), Social Security will withhold $1 for every $2 you earn above that limit. Have you looked into filing strategies like "file and suspend" or considered whether one of you might benefit from delaying until age 70 for the delayed retirement credits? Sometimes a mixed approach works better than both spouses filing at the same time.

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When will my husband get his first Social Security check after retiring at FRA in April?

My husband turns his full retirement age (66 and 10 months) on March 25th and plans to officially retire on April 1st. We've been trying to figure out when his first Social Security retirement check would arrive. Would it be in April or May? I've heard different things from friends - some say you get paid a month in arrears, others say it's for the current month. Also, we're confused about WHEN we should actually submit the application. Some people told us to apply 3 months before, others say 4 months before. We already signed up for Medicare Part A last year (he's still working with employer insurance), but the whole Social Security retirement process seems so complicated! Any help would be greatly appreciated!

hey when you do apply make sure u call and verify they received it! my sister thought she submitted everything but turns out the application was never completed and she had to start over after waiting 2 months!

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Oh no! That must have been so frustrating for her. I'll definitely call to confirm they received it. Thanks for the warning!

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Just wanted to share my recent experience since I see some conflicting advice here. My husband applied exactly 3 months before his intended start date and everything went smoothly. The online application really is the way to go - much faster than trying to get an appointment at the local office. One tip that helped us: create a my Social Security account first if you don't already have one. It makes the application process smoother and you can check the status afterward. Also, don't forget that once he starts receiving benefits, he'll get a 1099-SSA for tax purposes, so keep that in mind for next year's taxes. The payment schedule based on birth date is exactly right - since your husband was born on the 25th, expect payments on the 4th Wednesday of each month. Good luck with everything!

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How long will my teenagers receive Social Security child benefits while my husband is claiming at 68?

My husband (67, turning 68 this year) started collecting his Social Security retirement benefits last year. We have two teenagers who are receiving child-in-care benefits right now. They're currently 16 and 14 (turning 17 and 15 this year). Both will remain in high school until they're 19. I'm 56 years old and wondering about a couple things: 1) How long will my children continue receiving their benefits? Do they stop at 18 or can they continue until they finish high school at 19? 2) Once my kids are no longer eligible, would I qualify for any type of spousal benefits even though I'm still under FRA? I won't be 62 when the kids age out - I'll only be 59. I've tried calling SSA three times but get disconnected after waiting for over an hour. Really hoping someone here has experience with this specific situation. Thanks!

does ur husband have good retirement besides ss? my friend had to go back to work when her kid turned 16 cuz of this stupid rule

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He has a small pension but not enough to cover the gap. I'm already working part-time, so I'll probably need to increase my hours. Just wish they'd warned us about this when we first applied!

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I'm dealing with a similar situation and wanted to share some practical advice. When my oldest turned 18 last year, SSA automatically sent the school verification form (SSA-1372) about 2 months before his birthday. Make sure your school's registrar knows to expect this - some schools aren't familiar with the process and it can delay things. Also, regarding the benefit gap you'll face - I started planning for this 2 years ahead by gradually increasing my work hours and building up savings. The loss of your mother's benefits when your youngest turns 16 will be significant, so the earlier you can start preparing financially, the better. One thing that helped me was creating a timeline of when each benefit would end so I could budget accordingly. Your 17-year-old's benefits will stop at 18 (or 19 if still in school), then your 15-year-old's benefits will follow the same pattern. Planning ahead made the transition much smoother for our family.

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Can my husband apply for SSDI with Lymphoma under Compassionate Allowance while still working?

I need urgent advice about Social Security Disability for my wife (58) who was just diagnosed with Stage 4 Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma. Her oncologist says treatment will be aggressive and last at least 8-10 months. I've been researching and found that certain cancers qualify for the Compassionate Allowances program, which supposedly fast-tracks SSDI approval. Her doctor mentioned this might apply to her situation. The problem is she's still working reduced hours from home (about 15 hours/week) because we desperately need the income while waiting for disability approval. Will this disqualify her from applying? Does she need to completely stop working before she can apply for SSDI? We're so confused about the process and can't afford to lose her income entirely without knowing when benefits might start. Has anyone navigated this situation with Compassionate Allowances and working part-time?

Thank you all so much for your advice and sharing your experiences. We're going to apply immediately and make sure her doctors document everything thoroughly. I've already started gathering all her medical records. One last question - does anyone know if private disability insurance through her employer affects the SSDI application? She has some short-term disability coverage through work.

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Great question. Private disability insurance doesn't affect SSDI eligibility. She can receive both simultaneously, though many private policies reduce their benefit by the amount received from SSDI (this is called an "offset"). Definitely have her apply for the short-term disability through her employer immediately. This can provide income during the SSDI waiting period. Just be aware that she'll need to report any SSDI payments to the private insurer once those begin, as specified in her policy.

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I'm going through a similar situation with my sister right now. She has Stage 4 ovarian cancer and we just got her SSDI approved through Compassionate Allowance last month - took about 7 weeks from application to approval letter. A few things that really helped us: 1) We applied online at ssa.gov - it was faster than going to the office 2) Her oncologist wrote a detailed letter specifically for the disability application explaining her prognosis and limitations 3) We made sure to include ALL treatment records, not just the diagnosis The key thing about working - she was doing freelance work (about $800/month) when we applied and it didn't hurt the application at all since it was under the SGA limit. They actually told us it was better to apply while she still had some work history rather than waiting. One tip: when you apply online, there's a section where you can upload documents. We scanned and uploaded everything immediately rather than mailing it later. I think this helped speed things up. Best of luck to you both. The waiting is horrible but don't give up hope.

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