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As a newcomer to this community, I wanted to share my recent experience that might help others in similar situations. I just went through the SSA review process for my S corp rental income last month, and the documentation everyone mentioned here was absolutely crucial. What made the biggest difference in my case was having a detailed "passive investor affidavit" that my attorney prepared, which specifically outlined my limited role and referenced all the supporting documentation (property management agreements, payment records, time logs showing minimal involvement, etc.). SSA accepted this package without requiring an appeal. One thing I learned that wasn't mentioned yet: if you're taking ANY salary from the S corp, make sure it's truly "reasonable compensation" for whatever minimal services you do provide (like reviewing quarterly reports or signing annual documents). SSA can challenge unreasonably low salaries as a way to avoid payroll taxes, which could complicate your earnings test situation. Also, I found it helpful to maintain a simple monthly log documenting my actual involvement - even if it's just "reviewed monthly statement via email - 15 minutes" or "no property-related activities this month." This creates a paper trail showing your consistent passive role over time. The peace of mind from having everything properly documented from the start is worth the extra effort!
@Ethan Moore, thank you for sharing your recent experience! As someone just starting to navigate this process, your practical insights are incredibly valuable. The "passive investor affidavit" concept is brilliant - I hadn't heard that term before but it makes perfect sense to have a formal document that ties everything together rather than just having scattered documentation. Your point about reasonable compensation is particularly important and something I need to discuss with my attorney. I was thinking of keeping the salary as minimal as possible, but you're right that it needs to be defensible as reasonable for whatever services I actually provide, even if minimal. The monthly log idea is excellent too - it creates that ongoing paper trail showing consistent passive behavior over time rather than just having static documents from the setup phase. I'm definitely going to implement this from day one. Can I ask how long the SSA review process took in your case once you submitted all the documentation? And did you proactively send them the affidavit and supporting documents, or did they request it after initially counting all your S corp income? I'm trying to decide whether to be proactive or wait to see how they initially treat my situation. Thanks again for sharing such practical, actionable advice!
As a newcomer to this community, I've been following this thread closely as I'm considering early retirement next year and have been worried about how my small business income might affect Social Security benefits. Reading through everyone's experiences has been incredibly educational! One thing I'm curious about that hasn't been fully addressed: for those of you who have S corps with rental properties, how do you handle the timing of reporting to SSA? Do you report your expected salary at the beginning of the year, or wait until you know your actual earnings? I'm particularly concerned about accidentally under-reporting and then having issues later if circumstances change. Also, @Andre Dubois - have you been able to connect with SSA yet using the Claimyr service that @Liam O'Donnell mentioned? I'm very interested to hear how that goes since I've had similar frustrations trying to reach someone by phone. Thanks to everyone who has shared their experiences here. This thread has been more helpful than hours of trying to research this topic on my own!
I just went through this exact process last year and wanted to share some additional insights! The one-month delay is definitely standard - your February payment will be for January benefits. One thing that really helped me was calling my bank ahead of time to let them know I'd be receiving Social Security direct deposits starting in February. Some banks flag large new recurring deposits as suspicious activity, so giving them a heads up prevented any holds on my first payment. Also, since you're planning for January expenses, consider that your final paycheck from work might have different tax withholdings if HR knows you're retiring - I got a slightly larger final check than expected which helped bridge that gap. The SSA timing is frustrating but once you get into the rhythm it becomes predictable. Good luck with your retirement!
That's such a helpful tip about notifying your bank ahead of time! I never would have thought about that but it makes total sense that they might flag a new large recurring deposit. I'll definitely call them once I get closer to my February payment date. And you're right about the final paycheck potentially being different - I hadn't considered how HR might handle the tax withholdings differently. Thanks for sharing these practical tips from someone who just went through the same process!
I'm going through the exact same situation right now - hitting FRA in December and planning to start benefits in January 2025! This thread has been incredibly helpful. I had no idea about the one-month delay and was also planning on that first payment arriving in January for my budget. It's really frustrating that SSA doesn't make this timing clearer during the application process. I've been reading through everyone's experiences and it sounds like this catches a lot of new retirees off guard. I'm definitely going to need to adjust my financial planning for those first few weeks of January now. Has anyone found any official SSA documentation that clearly explains this payment timing? I'd love to have something in writing to reference when I'm doing my final budget planning.
Welcome to the "surprised by SSA payment timing" club! I just started looking into this myself and this thread has been a lifesaver. You're absolutely right that SSA should make this clearer - it's such an important detail for retirement planning. For official documentation, I found some info in SSA Publication No. 05-10035 "Social Security Benefits" where they briefly mention the payment schedule, but honestly the clearest explanation I've seen is right here from everyone's real experiences. The SSA website has a "When We Pay Benefits" page that shows the monthly payment calendar, but it doesn't clearly explain the one-month delay for new applicants. It's buried in the fine print basically. Good luck with your application and budget planning - at least we both know what to expect now!
Rami, what fantastic news about your treatment progress! As someone who's navigated the SSA system, I wanted to share a few key points that might help ease your concerns: The good news is that SSA has specific protocols for cancer cases that recognize the complexity of treatment and recovery. They use something called the "Blue Book" listings, and for lymphoma specifically, they understand that even successful treatment can leave lasting functional limitations. A few important things to keep in mind: - Your recent approval means SSA already has your baseline documented as stage 4 lymphoma, so any review will compare against that severe starting point - Remission doesn't equal full functional recovery - treatment effects like fatigue, neuropathy, immune suppression, and cognitive changes are all legitimate ongoing impairments - The review process typically takes 6-12 months from start to finish, giving you time to prepare For your survivor benefits, those have different rules depending on whether you qualified as a disabled widow/widower or based on age criteria. It's worth clarifying which category you fall under since the medical review may affect them differently. My advice: start documenting everything now - energy levels, concentration issues, physical limitations, medication side effects. This creates a paper trail of your functional capacity that goes beyond just cancer markers. And definitely keep celebrating this amazing treatment response - you deserve to focus on healing first!
This is such comprehensive and helpful information! I really appreciate you breaking down the specifics about the Blue Book listings and how they apply to lymphoma cases. Knowing that they'll compare against my stage 4 baseline rather than some arbitrary standard of "normal" health is actually really reassuring. I hadn't realized the review process could take that long either - that definitely gives me more time to get my documentation in order. Your point about survivor benefits having different rules is something I definitely need to clarify. I think I qualified as a disabled widow since I'm only 58, but I should probably confirm exactly which category I'm in and how that might be affected. The idea of documenting everything starting now is coming up in several comments and it's clearly important advice I need to take seriously. Thank you for taking the time to lay all this out so clearly - it's helping me feel much more prepared and less anxious about the whole process!
Congratulations on your incredible response to treatment! That's such wonderful and hopeful news. I can absolutely understand your anxiety about what happens to your benefits if you continue to improve - it's natural to worry about financial security while you're focused on healing. From what I understand, SSA has specific review processes in place precisely because they recognize that medical improvement doesn't automatically equal the ability to return to full work capacity. Cancer treatment, especially for something as serious as stage 4 lymphoma, often leaves lasting effects that can continue to impact your functional abilities even after achieving remission. The fact that you were just recently approved means SSA has your severe baseline condition well documented. Any future review would need to show significant improvement from that starting point, and they'd have to demonstrate that any improvement actually translates to your ability to perform substantial gainful activity. I'd suggest starting to document all your ongoing symptoms and limitations now - things like fatigue levels, cognitive effects, physical stamina, etc. Even as you improve, these treatment-related effects can be significant and relevant to any future disability determination. Most importantly though, focus on your recovery first. You're dealing with something incredibly challenging and the fact that you're responding so well to treatment is cause for celebration. The administrative side can be managed when the time comes, and you'll have advance notice and options if/when any review happens. Sending you best wishes for continued progress with your treatment!
I'm so sorry for your loss, and I completely understand your frustration with getting incomplete information from SSA. This is unfortunately very common, and you're absolutely right to push for more complete projections. Based on what everyone has shared here, I'd suggest going back with a very specific request. Ask for a "detailed benefit calculation showing both survivor benefits AND retirement benefits from age 60 through 70, including scenarios where I stop working at age 60 and at age 62." One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you should also ask them to show you the break-even analysis. This tells you at what age the total lifetime benefits become equal between different claiming strategies. For example, if you take reduced survivor benefits early versus waiting for full benefits, there's usually a break-even point around age 78-82 where the total amount received becomes equal. The widow's planning strategy is one of the most complex areas in Social Security, but also one where the right decision can mean tens of thousands of dollars over your lifetime. Don't let anyone rush you through this - you have every right to understand all your options completely before making such an important financial decision. You're being very smart by asking these questions now. Take your time, get all the information, and consider consulting with a fee-only financial planner who specializes in Social Security strategies if the numbers are still confusing after you get the complete projections.
Thank you for mentioning the break-even analysis - that's something I hadn't heard about before but it sounds incredibly useful for decision-making. Knowing the break-even point around age 78-82 would help me weigh the risk of taking benefits early versus waiting, especially considering family longevity and my own health situation. I'm definitely going to use your specific language when I go back: "detailed benefit calculation showing both survivor benefits AND retirement benefits from age 60 through 70, including scenarios where I stop working at age 60 and at age 62." Having these exact words should help me get the right person and the complete information I need. The idea of consulting with a fee-only financial planner who specializes in Social Security strategies makes a lot of sense too. This is clearly more complex than I initially realized, and the potential difference in lifetime benefits is substantial enough to justify getting professional help to make sure I'm making the optimal decision. Thank you for the encouragement about taking my time with this. It's reassuring to hear that I'm being smart by asking all these questions now rather than rushing into a decision that could cost me significantly over the long term.
I'm so sorry for your loss and can completely understand your frustration with the incomplete information from SSA. You're absolutely right to be asking these questions - this decision will impact your financial security for the rest of your life. From my experience helping clients navigate Social Security decisions, the printout you received is likely a basic benefit estimate that stops at your Full Retirement Age (67). You definitely need projections through age 70 because that's when your own retirement benefit reaches its maximum value with delayed retirement credits. Here's what you should specifically request on your next visit: 1. "Detailed benefit calculation for both survivor benefits AND retirement benefits from age 60 through 70" 2. Ask them to run scenarios showing your retirement benefit if you stop working at 60 vs. continuing to work 3. Request a break-even analysis comparing different claiming strategies The key strategy many widows use is taking reduced survivor benefits early (as early as 60) while letting their own retirement benefit grow until age 70, then switching to whichever is higher. But you need those complete projections to determine if this makes sense in your situation. Also, verify your husband's earnings record is accurate - errors are more common than you'd think and can significantly impact your survivor benefit amount. Don't let them rush you through this. You have every right to understand all your options completely before making such an important decision.
Thank you for this comprehensive guidance! As someone new to navigating widow benefits, I really appreciate you breaking down exactly what to ask for. The three specific requests you outlined - detailed calculations through age 70, scenarios with different work stoppage dates, and break-even analysis - give me a clear roadmap for my next SSA visit. The strategy of taking reduced survivor benefits early while letting my own retirement benefit grow until 70 is something I keep hearing about, but I need those complete projections to see if the math works in my favor. At 58 now, I have time to plan this properly, which seems like an advantage. Your point about verifying my husband's earnings record is well taken - I had no idea errors were common, but given how much money is at stake, it's definitely worth double-checking everything is accurate. I'm feeling much more prepared now to go back to SSA with specific requests and the confidence to insist on complete information. This community has been incredibly helpful in educating me about options I didn't even know existed. Thank you for taking the time to provide such detailed advice during what is already a difficult time.
Carmen Vega
Regarding sedentary work while on SSDI - there are also programs specifically designed to help SSDI beneficiaries return to work if they're able. The Ticket to Work program provides free employment support services and protection against medical Continuing Disability Reviews while you're participating. Depending on your situation, this might be a good option to explore after you're approved for benefits. You can test your work ability with various supports in place. Look into Benefits Planning Assistance and Outreach (BPAO) services in your area for personalized guidance on how working might affect your benefits.
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Yuki Kobayashi
•I'll definitely look into the Ticket to Work program. I really don't want to be on disability forever if I can avoid it, but I need the safety net while I figure out what kind of work I can sustain with my condition. Thanks for mentioning this!
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Carmen Lopez
Just wanted to add one more perspective as someone who went through this exact situation. I was a roofer for 15 years before my back gave out at 48. Got approved for SSDI after 14 months and one appeal. The key thing that helped my case was getting my orthopedic surgeon AND a pain management doctor to both write detailed RFC assessments specifically stating I couldn't sit for more than 20-30 minutes at a time, needed to lie down 2-3 times during an 8-hour period, and would miss more than 2 days of work per month due to pain flares. Those specific functional limitations are what convinced the judge that even desk jobs weren't viable for me. I now do some freelance bookkeeping from home (maybe 10-12 hours a week) staying well under the SGA limit. The flexibility to work when I'm having good days and rest when I'm not has been a lifesaver. My advice: don't let anyone pressure you into thinking you're "too young" for disability if you truly can't work. Document everything thoroughly and consider getting a disability attorney if you get denied initially.
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