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One thing nobody has mentioned yet - if these fintech apps are keeping your money illegally, you might be able to claim it as a theft loss on your taxes. The rules for theft losses changed with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, but there are still some situations where you can claim them. You'd need to be able to prove it was actually theft though, not just poor customer service or technical issues. And you'd need to show you have no reasonable prospect of recovery. Definitely something to look into if significant money is involved and you've exhausted all other options to get it back.
Do you know which tax form you'd use to claim that theft loss? And would you need to have filed police reports or anything to back it up?
You'd report theft losses on Form 4684 (Casualties and Thefts) and then carry that information to Schedule A if you're itemizing deductions. But there's a catch - under current tax law, personal theft losses are only deductible if they're attributable to a federally declared disaster. However, if the theft is connected to a business or income-producing property, you might be able to deduct it anyway. Some tax professionals argue that money in investment apps could qualify as income-producing property. For documentation, yes, you'd ideally want police reports, documentation of all your attempts to recover the funds, complaint filings with CFPB and other agencies, and proof that the company is unresponsive or insolvent. Without these, the IRS might reject the theft loss claim.
Has anyone tried filing a small claims court case against these fintech apps? I'm in the same boat with about $1,200 stuck and wondering if it's worth pursuing legally before I deal with the tax implications.
I actually did this last year! Filed in small claims against one of these apps for $800 they were holding. Won by default because they didn't even show up to court. Getting them to actually PAY was another story, but I eventually got my money back after sending the court judgment to their legal department. Tax-wise, I didn't have to report anything special since it was just my own money being returned to me, not new income. Definitely worth the $75 filing fee in my case.
Everyone's overthinking this. If you're self-employed and using your vehicle for business, you should just get the insurance policy transferred to your name. Then there's no question about who can claim it. The current arrangement seems unnecessarily complicated and is a potential audit flag.
Thanks for the suggestion, but unfortunately it's not that simple in our case. My brother has a multi-car discount policy that would be significantly more expensive if we split it up. Also, his driving record is better than mine, so our total costs would increase by about $780/year if I got my own policy. That's why we've kept this arrangement going. I'm wondering if there's a way to make it work tax-wise without actually changing the policy.
That makes sense about the multi-car discount. In that case, I'd suggest creating a formal agreement between you and your brother. Have him "bill" you for the insurance with a simple invoice each month, and pay him by check or electronic transfer that clearly states "vehicle insurance" in the memo/notes. Keep these records organized. This creates a paper trail showing you're paying for a legitimate business expense. On your Schedule C, you'd list it as "vehicle insurance" under car expenses. Just be aware you can only deduct the percentage used for business - if you use the car 60% for business and 40% personal, you can only deduct 60% of what you pay.
The IRS looks at substance over form. If your brother gives you money specifically for the insurance, and you're just the payment processor, then in substance HE is paying the insurance and should claim the deduction (if he can). On the other hand, if YOU are paying from your funds and he's not reimbursing you, then you could potentially claim it.
Don't forget you might need to collect sales tax depending on where you and your customers are located! Each state has different rules about digital products. I learned this the hard way with my digital design business and had to backpay a bunch of sales tax. š
Omg I hadn't even thought about sales tax. Is that separate from income tax? Do you have to register somewhere special for that? This is getting complicated fast...
Yes, sales tax is completely separate from income tax. You report income tax to the federal government (and state if applicable), but sales tax goes to the state and sometimes local tax authorities. You typically need to register for a sales tax permit in your state, and potentially in other states where you have what's called "nexus" (basically a significant business presence or sales volume). The rules for digital products vary dramatically by state - some don't tax digital goods at all, while others tax everything. There are services that can help manage this if you start selling in multiple states, but if you're just starting out, focus on understanding your home state's requirements first.
Have you considered setting up an LLC for your business? It wouldn't change how you're taxed (still Schedule C unless you elect otherwise) but it can provide some liability protection and looks more professional to clients. Cost me about $100 in my state.
An LLC is way overkill for someone just selling foot pics online. The liability protection isn't really necessary for digital content sales, and the annual fees and paperwork in some states aren't worth it for a small side hustle. Just my 2 cents.
Have you checked if your 401k plan allows for hardship distributions specifically? Some plans have provisions that classify certain medical expenses as hardship distributions which might be reported differently on your 1099-R (possibly with code 2 instead of 1). It might be worth calling your 401k administrator to ask about this. Sometimes they can issue a corrected 1099-R if the distribution qualifies under different rules. I had mine changed last year after proving my medical expenses were qualified hardship expenses under my plan's rules.
I didn't even think to call my 401k administrator! That's a great idea. My plan does mention hardship withdrawals for medical expenses in the documentation, but when I requested the distribution I just did it through their online portal and didn't specify the reason. I'll definitely give them a call tomorrow and see if they can issue a corrected form with code 2. Would that completely eliminate the need to file Form 5329, or would I still need to do that?
If they can issue a corrected 1099-R with code 2 (which indicates an exception applies), you won't need to file Form 5329 at all to claim the exception. The code 2 tells the IRS that the distribution already qualifies for an exception to the 10% penalty. This would make your e-filing much simpler since you wouldn't have to deal with the additional form. Just make sure to wait for the corrected 1099-R before filing if they agree to issue one.
Another thing to consider is whether your total distribution might qualify for the penalty exception if used for health insurance premiums while unemployed. I'm assuming this isn't your situation since you mentioned medical bills specifically, but thought I'd mention it since people often overlook this exception.
The health insurance premium exception is super helpful! I used it last year when I had to take an early distribution during a period of unemployment. You need to make sure you meet all the criteria though - you must have received unemployment compensation for 12 consecutive weeks.
That's a good point about the 12 consecutive weeks requirement. There are also some timing requirements - the distribution must be taken in the year you received unemployment compensation or the following year. And if you've been reemployed for more than 60 days, you no longer qualify for this exception.
Victoria Stark
For what it's worth, I work at a bank and we literally give everyone W-9 forms when there's any kind of SSN correction. It's standard procedure and doesn't mean anything about your tax status or that you're running a business. The form is just for our records and backup withholding compliance. We check "individual" for personal accounts because that's what you are - an individual, not a corporation or partnership. You definitely don't need to file taxes just because you filled out a W-9. You only need to file if your income is above the filing threshold, which varies based on your filing status but is generally around $12,000-$13,000.
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LordCommander
ā¢Thank you so much for explaining! That really helps ease my mind. One more question - will this form stay on file forever at the bank or is it just a temporary thing for the SSN correction?
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Victoria Stark
ā¢We keep W-9 forms on file for the life of your account, but it's just part of your account documentation. It doesn't get sent to the IRS or anything - we only use it if there's ever a question about your tax ID or if we need to issue a 1099 form (which would only happen if you earned significant interest on your account). It's really just paperwork to make sure we have your correct information. Nothing to worry about at all!
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Benjamin Kim
I'm confused about something similar - if I get a tiny bit of interest on my savings account (like $2 last year lol), do I have to report that if I don't meet the filing threshold otherwise?
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Lucy Lam
ā¢Technically that interest is taxable income, but if your total income is below the filing threshold (currently $13,850 for single filers), you don't need to file a tax return at all. Banks only send 1099-INT forms when interest exceeds $10 in a year anyway. With just $2 in interest, you won't receive any tax forms, and there's no need to file just to report that tiny amount if you're otherwise below the filing threshold.
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