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Something else to consider - if you're self-employed and have quarterly estimated tax payments coming up, any payment you make to the IRS could be applied to your next estimated tax payment instead of your past debt if you don't specify clearly. Happened to my brother last year and it was a mess to sort out. He thought he was paying his old tax bill but the IRS applied it to the upcoming quarter instead.
Wait, seriously? How do you make sure they apply the payment correctly? I do have estimated taxes due soon too, so this is a real concern.
When you make a payment, you need to clearly indicate which tax period and which liability you're paying. If you're paying online through IRS Direct Pay or EFTPS, there are options to select the specific tax year and type of payment. If you're sending a check, include your name, SSN, tax year, and form number on the check and attach the payment voucher if you have one. If you're dealing with both back taxes and estimated taxes, it's actually best to make two separate payments to avoid confusion.
I work in accounting (not a CPA though) and see this issue frequently. Beyond what others mentioned about interest on interest, there's also the statute of limitations to consider. Generally, the IRS has 10 years to collect tax debt from the assessment date. BUT - any time you request a payment plan or appeal, that clock stops ticking. And partial payments can sometimes restart the clock in certain situations. So "paying later" might actually extend how long they can come after you.
Does applying for a payment plan automatically stop interest from accruing? Or do you still get charged interest while on a payment plan?
Just FYI, if you're just entering your 1099 income without any expenses, you're definitely doing it wrong. Most self-employed people have legitimate business expenses that significantly reduce their taxable income. Common deductions for a plumber: - Vehicle expenses (mileage or actual expenses) - Tools and equipment - Supplies - Business insurance - Portion of phone bill used for business - Work clothes/uniforms - Professional licenses - Any continuing education - Advertising costs - Software subscriptions - Home office if you have dedicated space Take the time to go through all your expenses for the year. You'd be surprised how much you can reduce your tax bill.
This is really helpful, thank you! I definitely have expenses for tools, my truck, and work clothes that I haven't entered yet. I also pay for my own health insurance which is crazy expensive. Can I deduct that too?
Yes, health insurance is a big one I forgot to mention! Self-employed people can deduct 100% of their health insurance premiums as an adjustment to income (meaning you get the deduction even if you don't itemize). This includes medical, dental, and vision insurance for yourself, your spouse, and your dependents. The truck expenses will also be significant - you can either deduct the actual expenses (gas, insurance, repairs, depreciation) or take the standard mileage rate for business miles. For most people, tracking mileage and taking the standard rate is easier, but run the numbers both ways if you have a particularly expensive vehicle to maintain.
Make sure you look into quarterly estimated tax payments for next year. I learned this the hard way too as a self-employed person. If you wait until April to pay your full tax bill when you're self-employed, you might get hit with underpayment penalties. The IRS expects you to pay as you earn throughout the year, just like withholding from a regular paycheck. Has anyone here used any apps for tracking expenses? I'm terrible at keeping receipts and always scrambling at tax time.
I use Quickbooks Self-Employed and it's been a lifesaver. It connects to your bank accounts/credit cards and automatically categorizes expenses. You can also track mileage with the app. Around $15/month but worth every penny for the headache it saves.
Have you checked if you were enrolled in any payment plans from previous tax years? Sometimes people set up installment agreements and forget about them. The "TREAS" part of the description definitely points to it being a legitimate Treasury Department transaction rather than a scam. Also, did you use tax preparation software this year? Some of them offer options to pay their fee directly from your refund, which shows up as a separate transaction later. Though $395 seems high for that, unless you purchased audit protection or some premium services.
I definitely don't have any payment plans from previous years. I've always gotten refunds and never owed anything before. I did use TurboTax this year, but I paid for it upfront with my credit card, not from my refund. And you're right, $395 would be crazy expensive for tax software! I paid like $70 for the version I used. The "TREAS" part is what makes me think it's legitimate too, which is even more confusing because I can't figure out why they'd be taking money from me.
Based on what you've shared, I'm leaning toward this being an adjustment to your return then. The timing (several months after filing and receiving your refund) fits the pattern of an IRS review finding a discrepancy. Common triggers include: mismatched income reporting (maybe a 1099 you didn't include), incorrect claiming of credits, or math errors that the initial processing didn't catch. The amount ($395) suggests it could be related to a specific tax credit that was partially reversed. Definitely pursue getting through to the IRS or checking your online account. In the meantime, watch for that notice in the mail - it should arrive within 2 weeks of the charge.
Not to freak you out, but have you checked your credit report recently? Sometimes what looks like an IRS charge could actually be someone using your bank info fraudulently. The description might be misleading. Also check if someone else could have filed taxes using your SSN. Identity theft with tax returns has been increasing like crazy lately. The IRS has a specific department for tax-related identity theft issues.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet - if these fintech apps are keeping your money illegally, you might be able to claim it as a theft loss on your taxes. The rules for theft losses changed with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, but there are still some situations where you can claim them. You'd need to be able to prove it was actually theft though, not just poor customer service or technical issues. And you'd need to show you have no reasonable prospect of recovery. Definitely something to look into if significant money is involved and you've exhausted all other options to get it back.
Do you know which tax form you'd use to claim that theft loss? And would you need to have filed police reports or anything to back it up?
You'd report theft losses on Form 4684 (Casualties and Thefts) and then carry that information to Schedule A if you're itemizing deductions. But there's a catch - under current tax law, personal theft losses are only deductible if they're attributable to a federally declared disaster. However, if the theft is connected to a business or income-producing property, you might be able to deduct it anyway. Some tax professionals argue that money in investment apps could qualify as income-producing property. For documentation, yes, you'd ideally want police reports, documentation of all your attempts to recover the funds, complaint filings with CFPB and other agencies, and proof that the company is unresponsive or insolvent. Without these, the IRS might reject the theft loss claim.
Has anyone tried filing a small claims court case against these fintech apps? I'm in the same boat with about $1,200 stuck and wondering if it's worth pursuing legally before I deal with the tax implications.
I actually did this last year! Filed in small claims against one of these apps for $800 they were holding. Won by default because they didn't even show up to court. Getting them to actually PAY was another story, but I eventually got my money back after sending the court judgment to their legal department. Tax-wise, I didn't have to report anything special since it was just my own money being returned to me, not new income. Definitely worth the $75 filing fee in my case.
Rosie Harper
Another option you might want to consider is Free File Fillable Forms directly from the IRS website. It's completely free and you can file a superseding return this way. The downside is that you have to know what you're doing since it doesn't give you the same guidance as paid software. If you go this route, you'll need to complete Form 1040, Schedule C (for the self-employment income from your 1099-NEC), and Schedule SE (to calculate self-employment tax). Make sure you use the exact same personal info as your original return so the IRS can match them up properly.
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Dana Doyle
ā¢Thanks for this suggestion! I'm a little nervous about using the fillable forms since I'm not super confident in my tax knowledge. Do they have any kind of checking or verification to make sure I'm filling everything out correctly? I'm especially confused about Schedule C and all the potential deductions.
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Rosie Harper
ā¢The Free File Fillable Forms do have some basic math checking and will alert you to certain obvious errors, but they don't provide the comprehensive error checking or guidance that paid software does. For Schedule C confusion, they do provide links to the instructions, but it can be overwhelming if you're not familiar with tax forms. If you're unsure about deductions, the safest approach is to only claim expenses you can clearly document. Common deductions for self-employment include a portion of your phone bill if used for business, any supplies or equipment purchased, professional subscriptions, and possibly home office if you have a dedicated space.
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Elliott luviBorBatman
Warning about superseding returns - make sure you include EVERYTHING from your original return plus the corrections! A friend only submitted the corrected schedules and ended up with a huge mess because the IRS processed it as an incomplete return rather than a superseding one.
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Demi Hall
ā¢This happened to my brother too! He had to file an amended return after his "superseding" return didn't process correctly because he only included the changed parts. Ended up costing him extra in penalties that could have been avoided.
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