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One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that you should also consider your tax situation holistically. If you're consistently getting $12k refunds, it may not just be your W4 that needs adjusting. Do you have significant deductions that maybe aren't being accounted for in your paycheck withholding? Things like mortgage interest, charitable donations, or business expenses can dramatically affect your final tax bill. Also, if you've had major life changes (marriage, kids, buying a house), you should completely redo your W4 rather than just tweaking it.
I do have some substantial deductions - I own my home and have mortgage interest, plus I make regular charitable contributions. I also contribute the max to my 401k. Would all of these affect how I should fill out my W4? I'm not married and don't have kids, so I'm filing as single.
Yes, those substantial deductions are likely a big part of why you're getting such large refunds! The default withholding calculations don't account for itemized deductions like mortgage interest and charitable contributions. Your 401k contributions should already be excluded from your withholding calculations automatically since they're pre-tax, but the itemized deductions need to be handled separately on your W4. You should enter the approximate amount of your itemized deductions that exceed the standard deduction on line 4(b) of your W4. This will reduce your withholding to account for these deductions.
Has anyone actually used the IRS's Tax Withholding Estimator on their website? I found it super helpful for figuring out my W4. It asks you questions about your tax situation and then gives you the exact numbers to put on each line of the W4. Totally free too.
Don't forget about depreciation when comparing rental properties! Property tax is just one piece of the puzzle. You can depreciate residential rental properties over 27.5 years, which is a huge deduction. So for your two examples, the property value (excluding land) would also factor in. A more expensive property would give you a larger depreciation deduction, which might offset some of the higher expenses.
How do you separate the value of the land from the building for depreciation purposes? I've always been confused about that part. My property tax statement doesn't break it down clearly.
Your property tax assessment should actually have this breakdown. Check your property tax statement or look up your property on your county assessor's website - most will show the land value separately from the improvements (building) value. If it's not clearly stated, a common method is to use the ratio that other similar properties in your area use. Your tax professional can help with this, or you can look at comparable properties with known land/building breakdowns.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - which property do you think will appreciate more in value? That's a huge factor too. A property with higher taxes might be in an area with better schools or services, which could mean better appreciation over time.
This is a really good point. My rental in the high-tax suburb has appreciated WAY more than my rental in the low-tax area. After 5 years, the difference in appreciation has completely dwarfed any tax deduction differences.
For anyone still waiting, I received my refund yesterday after filing on February 3rd with Child Tax Credit for my 2 kids. So that's about 7 weeks total waiting time. The "Where's My Refund" tool never updated beyond "still processing" until suddenly it showed a deposit date. Hang in there!
Did you ever call the IRS or do anything special to get it moving? Or did it just suddenly update on its own?
It just updated on its own. I checked the "Where's My Refund" tool religiously every morning and one day it finally showed a deposit date. I never called or did anything special to move things along. I've heard from friends that calling doesn't usually speed things up anyway - they just tell you to keep waiting unless there's an actual issue with your return that needs to be addressed. So unless you think there might be a specific problem, it seems like waiting is unfortunately the only option.
Has anyone noticed that the Child Tax Credit verification seems to be happening in batches? My sister and I filed on the same day (Feb 5) and we both got our refunds exactly on the same day last week. My neighbor filed a week later and is still waiting. Makes me think they process these in groups rather than strictly by filing date.
I've noticed something similar! My husband and I filed separately (complicated situation) but on the same day. He got his refund after 3 weeks (no kids/CTC on his return) and mine took 6 weeks (claiming our daughter and the CTC). Definitely seems like these get sorted into different processing queues.
Don't forget to report that employer to the IRS! They're legally required to provide W-2s by January 31st. You can call the IRS at 800-829-1040 to report them. I did this when my employer "forgot" to send my W-2, and miraculously they "found" it and sent it within a week after the IRS contacted them. Also check your state's department of labor about those unpaid wages. Some states have penalties for employers who withhold pay, and they can sometimes get things moving faster than you can on your own.
Thank you so much for this suggestion! Would reporting them to the IRS interfere with my ongoing case with the department of industrial relations? I'm definitely going to call them about the W-2 issue.
Not at all - these are completely separate issues being handled by different agencies. The IRS is concerned with tax compliance (providing W-2s), while the department of industrial relations handles wage theft and payment issues. You should absolutely pursue both avenues simultaneously. In fact, the pressure from multiple agencies often motivates employers to resolve issues faster. The IRS penalties for not providing W-2s can be significant, which might get their attention in a way your individual requests haven't.
Just to add something important - make sure you keep REALLY good records of all your attempts to get your W-2 and your communications with this employer. Save emails, text messages, write down dates of phone calls, etc. This will help you if the IRS has questions about why you filed with Form 4852. Also, when you estimate your withholding, err on the side of caution and estimate a bit LOWER than you think it might be. It's better to potentially owe a small amount later than to claim too much withholding and raise red flags.
This is good advice. I actually took screenshots of all communications with my former employer when they wouldn't give me my W-2. The IRS never questioned my Form 4852, but I was prepared just in case.
Scarlett Forster
Another tip - take pictures of EVERYTHING before you mail it. Last year I had to prove what I sent and thankfully had photos of all my documents. Also write down the certified mail tracking numbers somewhere safe in case you lose the receipt.
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Ryder Everingham
β’That's really smart! Should I also make photocopies or are pictures enough? And should I mail it from the post office or can I just drop it in a mailbox?
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Scarlett Forster
β’Pictures are generally enough if they're clear and show all the information, but if you want to be extra cautious, photocopies are good too. Personally, I just take clear photos of each page with my phone and save them in a dedicated folder. I strongly recommend going to the post office counter rather than using a dropbox, especially for tax documents. At the counter, you can get a stamped receipt with the tracking number. For something as important as your tax return, that extra confirmation is worth the few minutes in line.
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Arnav Bengali
My advice is to try again with e-filing! You don't actually need last year's AGI if you never filed before or can't access it. There's usually an option to enter "0" or check a box that says you didn't file last year. Much faster for getting your refund (about 21 days vs 6-8 weeks for paper returns).
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Sayid Hassan
β’This is actually correct! I work as a tax preparer and there should be an option to indicate you don't have last year's AGI. Which software are you using? I can tell you exactly where to look for this option.
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