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One thing to watch out for when comparing platforms: some will advertise a big refund upfront but then hit you with fees at the very end of the process. I've had situations where Platform A showed a $50 higher refund than Platform B, but then charged $75 more in filing fees, making it actually worse overall. Make sure you go all the way to the payment screen on each platform to see the TRUE final amount you'll receive after all fees are deducted!
Great question! I've been doing this for years and it's totally allowed. The IRS only cares about the one return you actually submit - they have no visibility into how many different software programs you used to prepare it. I'd definitely recommend trying both TurboTax and H&R Block for your situation since you have both W-2 and freelance income. In my experience, TurboTax tends to be more user-friendly for self-employment stuff and walks you through business deductions really well. H&R Block sometimes catches things differently though. A few tips from someone who does this annually: - Keep a spreadsheet of all your numbers so you enter them exactly the same way in each platform - Don't just look at the refund amount - factor in the filing fees too since they can vary significantly - Pay attention to how each platform categorizes your freelance expenses, as that's usually where the biggest differences show up You're being smart about maximizing your refund. Just remember to only hit "submit" on whichever platform gives you the best net result after fees!
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the spreadsheet approach you mentioned - do you track specific categories of expenses or just the raw numbers? I'm worried I might miss some deductible expenses that one platform catches but another doesn't. Also, have you noticed if certain platforms are consistently better for particular types of freelance work? I do mostly graphic design and some writing, so wondering if that makes a difference in how expenses get categorized.
7 Would recommend checking if you qualify for the Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures if you haven't been filing while abroad. It lets you catch up on filing requirements without penalties if you can certify your failure to file was non-willful. I used it after living in Japan for 3 years and realizing I should have been filing.
11 Does the Streamlined procedure require you to pay taxes for those previous years if you were under the filing threshold anyway? Like if I made less than $12k each year?
No, if you were truly under the filing threshold (like making less than $12k), you wouldn't owe any taxes for those years even through the Streamlined procedure. The main benefit is that it clears up your compliance status with the IRS and eliminates any potential penalties for not filing. You'd still need to file the actual returns for the required years (usually 3 years of tax returns and 6 years of FBARs if applicable), but if you had no tax liability due to low income, you'd owe $0. The process mainly establishes that you're now compliant and weren't willfully avoiding your filing obligations. It's basically a way to get current with the IRS without facing penalties, even if you technically didn't need to file due to income thresholds.
Great thread with lots of helpful info! I'm in a similar situation - been living in the UK for 6 months with no income. One thing I wanted to add that might help others: even if you don't need to file a tax return due to the income threshold, you should still consider filing Form 8938 (FATCA) if your foreign financial assets exceed certain thresholds. For someone living abroad and filing single, you need to file Form 8938 if your foreign financial assets exceed $200,000 on the last day of the year OR more than $300,000 at any point during the year. This is separate from FBAR and has different thresholds. Most people with zero income probably won't hit these thresholds, but it's worth knowing about if you have any investments or larger savings accounts abroad. The penalties for not filing Form 8938 when required can be significant too. Also, if you're planning to stay abroad long-term, it might be worth establishing your tax residency status early even with zero income, as it can affect future filing requirements when you do start earning.
This is really helpful! I had no idea about Form 8938 being separate from FBAR. The thresholds you mentioned ($200k/$300k) are way higher than the FBAR $10k threshold, so that's a relief for someone in my situation with minimal savings. Your point about establishing tax residency status early is interesting - could you elaborate on how that works? I'm planning to stay in Germany long-term but wasn't sure if there were any specific steps I should take now to document my residency status for future tax purposes.
Wow, this thread has been incredibly helpful! As someone who works in HR and deals with relocation packages regularly, I wanted to add a few practical tips that might help with your specific timeline. First, since you're only going to be in Oregon for 3 months, I'd strongly recommend getting everything in writing from your Oregon employer about their repayment and W-2 adjustment process BEFORE you even start. Some companies have strict policies about when adjustments can be made, and with such a short employment period, you want to ensure they can actually process the reversal if you repay in the same tax year. Second, consider asking your California employer if they can structure their relocation package as a "relocation loan" initially, which converts to a grant after you meet certain tenure requirements. This might help you avoid having two large taxable relocation payments in the same year while you're sorting out the Oregon repayment. Also, given the multi-state complexity, you might want to establish a dedicated savings account just for tracking all the relocation-related transactions. Keep every receipt, email, and document related to both packages - the IRS and state tax authorities love detailed records when situations get this complicated. The advice about timing everything within the same tax year really is golden if you can make it work with your job transition timeline. Have you been able to discuss any flexibility in your start dates with the California employer?
This is really practical advice, especially about getting the Oregon employer's W-2 adjustment process in writing upfront! I hadn't thought about how a 3-month employment period might complicate their ability to process reversals. The "relocation loan" structure idea is fascinating - that could potentially solve the double taxation issue entirely if the California company is willing to do it. Has anyone here actually negotiated this type of arrangement before? I'm curious how common it is for employers to offer loan-to-grant conversions for relocation packages. Also, @Ethan Taylor, when you mention establishing a dedicated savings account for tracking - should this include setting aside money for potential tax liabilities on both relocation packages? I'm trying to figure out how much I should budget for taxes if things don't work out as cleanly as hoped with the same-year repayment. This whole situation is making me realize how much I don't know about employment tax law! Definitely going to need professional help, but this thread has given me a much better foundation for those conversations.
As someone who's navigated a similar complex relocation situation, I'd add one more crucial consideration - make sure you understand the difference between "moving expense reimbursements" and "relocation bonuses" for tax purposes. If any portion of your $13,500 is categorized as qualified moving expense reimbursements (for actual moving costs like transport, temporary lodging, etc.), those portions might have different tax treatment than lump-sum relocation bonuses. However, keep in mind that under current tax law, moving expense deductions are suspended for most taxpayers through 2025, so even "qualified" moving expenses are generally taxable. Also, consider the timing of your actual physical moves. If you're moving from Oregon to California in the same tax year, you might be able to deduct some of the California move expenses if you meet the IRS distance and time tests, which could help offset some of the tax burden from the Oregon relocation income. One strategy that worked for me: I asked my new employer to pay certain relocation expenses directly to vendors (moving company, temporary housing, etc.) rather than reimbursing me. This reduced the taxable amount I received directly while still getting the same relocation benefits. Worth discussing with your California employer if they have flexibility in how they structure their $13,500 package. Document every mile, every receipt, and every day you're physically present in each state - this will be invaluable for both federal and state tax filings!
This distinction between moving expense reimbursements and relocation bonuses is really important! I wasn't aware that the tax treatment could be different even though both are generally taxable under current law. Your suggestion about having the California employer pay vendors directly is brilliant - that could significantly reduce the taxable portion while still providing the same benefit. I'm definitely going to explore this option when I negotiate with them. Quick question about the distance and time tests you mentioned for the California move - since I'll only be in Oregon for about 3 months, will that short duration affect my ability to meet the time test for deducting the Oregon-to-California move? I believe the test requires working full-time for at least 39 weeks in the first 12 months after the move, but with such a short Oregon stint, I'm not sure how that impacts the calculation. Also, when you say document "every day you're physically present in each state" - are you referring to establishing a paper trail for residency determination, or is this more about tracking work location for the moving expense tests? Given all the multi-state complexity others have mentioned, I want to make sure I'm capturing the right information. Thanks for adding another layer of practical advice to this already incredibly helpful discussion!
I'm in almost exactly the same situation - just realized I missed reporting $56 in dividend income from my TD Ameritrade account due to automatic reinvestment. Like everyone else here, I'm a relatively new dividend investor and had no idea those reinvested dividends were taxable events until the 1099-DIV showed up after I'd already filed. This thread has been incredibly helpful and reassuring! It's amazing to see how common this oversight is among new investors. The consistent advice from people with actual experience seems to be that for amounts under $100, the IRS generally doesn't pursue these discrepancies due to cost-benefit considerations and their current resource constraints. Based on all the shared experiences here, I'm definitely going with the "wait and see" approach. The additional tax would probably be around $11-14 in my bracket, and even with potential penalties would be far less than paying for a professional amendment. The insights about the AUR system thresholds and IRS staffing issues make this feel like a very reasonable decision. I'm also taking notes on everyone's suggestions for better tracking next year - definitely setting up an investment account checklist and maybe quarterly dividend logging. It's clear this is just one of those "rite of passage" mistakes that most new dividend investors make at least once. Thanks to everyone for sharing their real-world experiences - it's so much more valuable than generic tax advice!
You're absolutely making the smart choice! I'm also dealing with a similar situation (missed about $42 in dividend income from my Schwab account) and this thread has been such a game-changer for understanding the real-world implications versus the theoretical requirements. What really stands out to me is how consistent everyone's experiences have been - it seems like this automatic reinvestment oversight is practically a universal experience for new dividend investors. The fact that people like Tate actually spoke to IRS agents who confirmed they don't typically pursue small amounts due to administrative costs really drives home the practical reality. Your tax calculation sounds spot-on with what everyone else has estimated for similar amounts. I'm also impressed by how this thread has evolved into both practical tax advice and a support network for new investors learning these lessons. The dividend tracking ideas everyone's sharing are definitely going to save us all headaches next year. It's honestly reassuring to know we're all navigating this learning curve together. Thanks for adding your experience to the collective wisdom here!
This thread has been absolutely invaluable! I'm dealing with the exact same situation - missed reporting $39 in dividend income from my Charles Schwab account because of automatic reinvestment. As someone who just started dividend investing last year, I had no idea that reinvested dividends were still taxable events until I received the 1099-DIV after already filing my return. Reading through everyone's experiences here has completely changed my perspective on this situation. Initially, I was panicking and considering paying a tax professional to file an amendment, but seeing the consistent advice from people with real experience has been incredibly reassuring. The fact that so many folks have been in similar situations with minimal to no consequences really highlights how common this oversight is for new dividend investors. Based on all the practical wisdom shared here, I'm definitely going with the "wait and see" approach. The potential tax impact would probably be around $8-10 in my bracket, which is far less than the cost of amending proactively. The insights about AUR thresholds and current IRS resource constraints make this feel like a very reasonable calculated risk. I'm also taking detailed notes on everyone's suggestions for next year - definitely setting up an investment account checklist and maybe quarterly dividend tracking to avoid this headache again. It's clear this is just one of those learning experiences that most new dividend investors go through. Thanks to everyone for creating such a supportive and informative discussion!
You're absolutely making the right decision! I just went through this exact same learning experience with about $33 in missed dividend income from my Vanguard account. Like you, I was initially stressed about it until I found this thread and realized how incredibly common this situation is for new dividend investors. What's been most reassuring to me is seeing the consistency across everyone's experiences here - it really seems like the practical reality is very different from the technical "report everything" requirement we see in tax guides. The fact that multiple people have shared stories of similar amounts with zero follow-up from the IRS, plus that insight from Tate about actually speaking to an IRS agent who confirmed they don't typically pursue small amounts, has been incredibly valuable. Your tax impact estimate sounds exactly right based on what everyone else has calculated. I'm also implementing all the tracking suggestions people have shared here - definitely setting up quarterly reminders and an investment account checklist for next year. It's amazing how this thread has become both practical tax advice and a support group for all of us learning these dividend investing lessons together! Thanks for adding your experience to this incredibly helpful discussion. It's so reassuring to know we're all navigating this learning curve as a community.
Dylan Wright
6 Is anyone using TurboTax instead of H&R Block? I'm having the exact same issue with negative foreign tax values in TurboTax and wondering if there's a similar fix.
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Dylan Wright
ā¢21 I use TurboTax and had this issue last year. In TurboTax, you need to go to the "Foreign Tax" section (usually found under "Federal" > "Deductions & Credits" > "Foreign Tax Credit"). There should be an option to override the imported value. Just enter the amount from Box 7 of your 1099-DIV as a positive number, and it should resolve the issue.
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Darcy Moore
I've been dealing with international dividend taxation for several years now, and I wanted to add some clarification that might help others avoid confusion. The foreign tax credit is definitely worth claiming - it's essentially getting back taxes you've already paid to another country. The $300 threshold for the simplified method ($600 if married filing jointly) is per tax year, so if you're consistently investing in international stocks, you'll want to track this annually. One thing I learned the hard way: keep good records of your foreign tax credits. If you can't use the full credit in one year because your US tax liability is lower than the foreign taxes paid, you can carry the unused portion forward for up to 10 years. But you'll need Form 1116 for carryovers, even if the original amount was small enough for the simplified method. Also, make sure the foreign taxes you're claiming actually qualify - they need to be income taxes, not other types of foreign taxes or fees. The 1099-DIV should clearly show "Foreign Tax Paid" in Box 7 if it qualifies for the credit.
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ā¢This is really helpful information, especially about the carryforward rules! I had no idea you could carry unused foreign tax credits forward for up to 10 years. That's definitely something I'll need to keep in mind as I continue investing in international funds. One question though - you mentioned that carryovers require Form 1116 even if the original amount was small. Does that mean if I have unused credits from this year's $142, I'd need to file Form 1116 next year even if my new foreign taxes are still under $300?
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