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Has anyone actually calculated whether this strategy is worth the hassle? I mean, if we're talking about "a few thousand" in unrealized gains as OP mentioned, and you can harvest $1,250 per year tax-free, it might take only 2-3 years to completely step up the basis, right? Also, what about the tax forms? Do kids need to file their own returns for this, or does it go on the parent's return? Trying to understand the paperwork burden before I try this.
For amounts under $12,500 in unearned income, children under 19 (or 24 if full-time students) typically can report on the parent's return using Form 8814. However, if you want to take advantage of the child's lower tax brackets, filing a separate return for them using Form 8615 is usually better. In my experience, the paperwork isn't too bad - took me maybe an extra 30 minutes of tax prep time. Most tax software handles it pretty well. And yes, for just a few thousand in gains, you could reset the basis completely in 2-3 years, which I think is absolutely worth it.
One thing I'd add to this discussion is to be mindful of the timing throughout the year. Since you're working with a $1,250 annual threshold, you don't want to accidentally realize all your gains early in the year and then miss out on additional harvesting opportunities if the investments continue to appreciate. I've found it helpful to spread the harvesting across multiple quarters - maybe $300-400 per quarter - which also helps with dollar-cost averaging when you rebuy the positions. This approach also gives you more flexibility if market conditions change or if you discover additional tax-efficient opportunities later in the year. Also worth noting that if your children are approaching the age where they might start having summer jobs or other income sources, you'll want to factor that into your multi-year harvesting timeline. The strategy becomes less effective once they have significant earned income that might push them into higher tax brackets.
This is really smart advice about spreading the harvesting throughout the year! I hadn't thought about the quarterly approach, but it makes a lot of sense for managing the $1,250 threshold more effectively. Your point about timing with summer jobs is especially relevant - I'm dealing with this exact situation where my teenager just started working part-time. Even though earned income doesn't directly impact the unearned income threshold, it's good to plan ahead for when their overall tax situation might become more complex. The dollar-cost averaging benefit when rebuying is a nice bonus I hadn't considered. Thanks for sharing your experience with the quarterly strategy!
Has anyone looked into whether these foreign pension contributions can be excluded from income under the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion? I'm trying to figure out if I need to add back in my Colombian pension contributions when calculating my FEIE amount.
The FEIE only applies to earned income. Contributions to foreign pension plans are usually considered part of your earned income unless there's a specific tax treaty provision. For Colombia specifically, pension contributions are considered part of your gross income first, then you may be able to exclude them up to the FEIE limit.
I went through this exact same situation with my Colombian AFP account last year. After consulting with a tax professional who specializes in expat taxes, I can confirm that you absolutely need to report it on both FBAR and Form 8938. The key points that apply to your Porvenir account: 1. **FBAR reporting is required** - Even though it's mandatory and you can't access it until retirement, you still have a beneficial interest in the account. The private management by AFP companies means it doesn't qualify for any government pension exemptions. 2. **Form 8938 reporting is also required** - Since your account exceeds the $10,000 threshold and you're filing as single (assuming from your post), you'll need to include it on Form 8938 as well. 3. **Valuation can be tricky** - Make sure to convert the peso value to USD using the exchange rate on December 31st of the tax year. Your AFP should provide year-end statements that show the account balance. 4. **Don't forget about employer contributions** - If your employer is making matching contributions to your AFP account, those count toward your total account value for reporting purposes. The penalties for non-compliance are severe, so it's definitely better to over-report. I learned this the hard way after initially thinking my account might be exempt due to the retirement restrictions.
This is incredibly helpful - thank you for sharing your experience with the exact same AFP situation! The point about employer contributions is something I hadn't even considered. My employer does make mandatory contributions to my Porvenir account, so I'll need to make sure I'm including the full account value including those contributions. One follow-up question: did you have any issues with the peso-to-USD conversion for reporting? I'm wondering if I should use the exact exchange rate from December 31st or if there's some averaging method that's acceptable. My AFP statements show the balance in pesos, but I want to make sure I'm converting correctly for the forms. Also, did your tax professional give you any guidance on how to handle the reporting if you change jobs and your AFP account gets transferred to a different company? I might be switching employers next year and I'm not sure how that affects the reporting requirements.
Hey Savannah, I completely understand your anxiety about this - I've been there! The 26th is when they mail it out, not when you'll receive it. From my experience with mailed refund checks, you're typically looking at 5-7 business days after that mail date for delivery, sometimes up to 10 days depending on your location and postal service efficiency. I'd definitely recommend signing up for USPS Informed Delivery like others mentioned - it's free and will give you peace of mind by showing you exactly when your Treasury check is coming. Also, if you're worried about the medical bills, consider reaching out to your providers to explain the situation - many are understanding and will work with you on payment timing if you can show them your WMR status. The waiting is definitely the hardest part, but your check will arrive! Hang in there! š
This is all really great advice! I'm also dealing with a mailed refund check for the first time and the uncertainty is killing me. Teresa, your point about contacting medical providers is spot on - I called mine yesterday and they were super understanding when I showed them my WMR screenshot. They gave me a 2-week extension no questions asked. Has anyone here ever had their check get lost in the mail? That's my biggest fear right now! š°
Hey Savannah! I totally feel for you - that waiting period when you really need the money is so stressful! Just to add to what everyone else has said, the 26th is definitely the mail date, not the delivery date. I've had to do paper checks a few times over the years due to various bank issues, and it's always been 5-7 business days after that mail date for me (I'm in a suburban area). One thing I learned is that Treasury checks from the IRS come in a very distinctive white envelope with clear government markings, so they're pretty easy to spot when they arrive. Also, if it makes you feel any better, these checks are actually pretty secure - they have multiple security features and can be reissued if something goes wrong. The USPS Informed Delivery suggestion is golden - I wish I had known about that during my first paper check experience! Try to stay positive, and definitely reach out to your medical providers if you need a short extension. Most are very understanding about tax refund timing. You've got this! šŖ
This is such helpful info, Ava! I'm also a newcomer to the paper check process and had no idea about the distinctive envelope - that actually makes me feel a lot better about being able to spot it when it arrives. The security features you mentioned are reassuring too. I've been worried about it getting lost or stolen from my mailbox. Quick question for anyone who's been through this - do these Treasury checks require a signature upon delivery, or do they just go in your regular mailbox? I'm wondering if I need to be home when it arrives or if I can just check my mail normally. Thanks everyone for being so supportive and sharing your experiences - this community is amazing! š
Friendly reminder to everyone discussing RSUs: there are actually TWO tax events to worry about! 1. When RSUs vest: This is treated as ordinary income (what everyone's discussing in this thread) 2. When you sell the shares: Any gain or loss after vesting is capital gain/loss For example, if RSUs vest at $100/share and you sell later at $150, you'll pay: - Ordinary income tax on the $100 at vesting - Capital gains tax on the $50 appreciation when you sell I see a lot of people getting confused because they only think about one of these tax events. Both need to be reported properly!
This is such an important point that most people miss! I literally just realized I've been calculating my cost basis wrong for years. I was using the grant date price instead of the vesting date price as my cost basis for calculating capital gains/losses. Probably been overpaying taxes on gains for years. Do you think I should file amended returns?
Yes, you should definitely consider filing amended returns if you've been using the wrong cost basis! The cost basis for RSUs is always the fair market value on the vesting date (not the grant date), since that's when you already paid ordinary income tax on that amount. Using the grant date price as your cost basis means you've been paying capital gains tax on appreciation that was already taxed as ordinary income at vesting - essentially double taxation. If you've held and sold RSU shares over multiple years, this could add up to significant overpayment. You can file Form 1040X (Amended U.S. Individual Income Tax Return) for up to 3 years from the original filing date. You'll need your brokerage statements showing actual sale prices and your RSU vesting records showing the fair market value on each vesting date. The IRS will refund any overpaid taxes with interest. Given the complexity of equity compensation, this might be worth consulting with a tax professional who specializes in stock compensation to make sure you're calculating everything correctly before filing amendments.
Kaylee Cook
One thing nobody mentioned - if you do need to file in multiple states, make sure your accounting software is set up correctly to track income and expenses by state! I learned this the hard way. We had jobs in 3 states last year, and come tax time, we had to go back through ALL our receipts and invoices to figure out which state each transaction belonged to. Complete nightmare. QuickBooks and other software can tag transactions by location/state if you set it up right from the beginning.
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Oliver Alexander
ā¢THIS! So important. We use QuickBooks Online and create separate "classes" for each state project. Makes tax time so much easier when you can run reports by state. Our accountant loves us for it and it has saved us thousands in accounting fees.
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Scarlett Forster
As someone who's been through this exact situation, I'd strongly recommend getting a consultation with a tax professional before making your decision. Even if the out-of-state job is small, the compliance requirements can be tricky. One thing that helped us was creating a simple spreadsheet to track all the potential costs: additional state filing fees, estimated tax prep costs, any required business registrations in the new state, and the time value of dealing with the extra paperwork. When we added it all up for our first small out-of-state project, we realized we needed to increase our project fee by about 15% just to break even on the tax complications. Also consider whether this could lead to ongoing work in that state. If it's truly a one-time thing, the hassle might not be worth it. But if it could open doors to more business there, the initial setup costs become more justified. The good news is that once you've figured out the process for one additional state, adding more becomes much more manageable since you'll understand the workflow.
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Danielle Mays
ā¢This is exactly the kind of comprehensive analysis I needed to hear! Creating a spreadsheet to track all the hidden costs is brilliant - I hadn't thought about business registration fees in the new state or the time value aspect. A 15% markup just to handle tax complications really puts it in perspective. For our $15k project, that would mean we'd need to charge an extra $2,250 just to break even on compliance costs. That's a significant chunk that could easily eat into our profit margins if we don't plan for it upfront. Your point about future opportunities is something I should definitely factor in. The client mentioned this could be the first of several projects, so maybe the initial setup headache would be worth it in the long run. Thanks for the practical advice!
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