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Does anyonr know if this QBI thing is affected by taking the standard milage deduction vs. actual car expenses? I've been tracking my actual gas and maintenance costs but wondering if the standard 67 cents per mile would be better.

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Brian Downey

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Great question! The QBI deduction is based on your net profit after all business expenses, regardless of whether you use the standard mileage rate or actual expenses method. For most delivery drivers, the standard mileage rate (67 cents per mile for 2025) is usually more beneficial and much easier to track. But either way, your QBI deduction will be calculated as 20% of whatever your final net profit is after you've deducted either mileage or actual expenses. So choose whichever method gives you the larger deduction for your vehicle expenses, and then you'll get QBI on top of that.

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Liam Duke

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I've been doing food delivery for about 6 months now and just learned about QBI from this thread - wish I'd known about it sooner! For anyone else who's confused like I was, here's what I've figured out: The QBI deduction is basically a 20% discount on your business income for tax purposes. So if you made $20,000 profit from deliveries, you'd only pay income tax on $16,000 (though you still pay the full self-employment tax on the $20,000). For those Section 199A fields that keep tripping people up - if you're just a solo delivery driver using your personal car, you can safely put zero for both W-2 wages and qualified property. These only matter for bigger businesses or if you're making over $170K+ as a single filer. One tip: make sure you're tracking ALL your expenses properly (mileage, phone bill, delivery bags, etc.) because QBI is calculated on your NET profit after expenses. The lower your taxable business income, the less benefit you get from QBI, but the more you save overall from the expense deductions themselves.

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Mila Walker

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This is a perfect example of why the tax code is so frustrating. A HELOC used to buy a second home isn't deductible, but a mortgage taken directly on that second home would be deductible (up to the limits). Same economic outcome, different tax treatment!

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Logan Scott

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It's all about following the letter of the law rather than the intent. The 2017 tax law specifically restricted HELOC interest deductibility to home improvement purposes, but left the qualified residence interest deduction intact. The IRS doesn't care if the end result is the same - they only care if you followed the specific rules as written.

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Honorah King

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This is a great example of why it's so important to stay current with tax law changes. The TCJA really changed the game for HELOC deductions, and unfortunately many tax preparers didn't immediately adjust their practices. One thing I'd add to the refinancing discussion - your parents should also consider the interest rate environment. If rates have changed significantly since they took out the HELOC, they might actually save money on the interest itself by refinancing to a traditional mortgage on the vacation home, even without considering the tax benefits. Also, don't forget that if they ever decide to do substantial improvements on either property in the future, they could potentially take out a new HELOC specifically for those improvements, and that interest would be deductible. Just make sure to keep meticulous records showing the loan proceeds went directly to qualifying home improvements.

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Leila Haddad

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Wow, this thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation where I need to change the responsible party for my digital marketing LLC from my business partner to myself. Reading through everyone's experiences has given me a much clearer picture of what to expect. A couple of additional questions based on what I've read here: 1. If the current responsible party (my partner) has moved to a different state since we originally got our EIN, does that affect the 8822-B filing process at all? Should I use his current address or the original address that's on file with the IRS? 2. I noticed several people mentioned keeping detailed records during the transition. Are there any specific documents beyond the certified mail receipt that you'd recommend holding onto? Also, I wanted to thank everyone who mentioned the various tools and services - the taxr.ai recommendation for form checking and claimyr.com for getting through to the IRS both sound like they could be lifesavers. It's frustrating how difficult it can be to get clear guidance on these processes directly from the IRS. One thing I'm planning to do based on this discussion is create a checklist of all the entities I need to notify about the change (bank, state agencies, CPA, etc.) so I don't forget anyone. This thread has really highlighted how many moving pieces are involved beyond just filing the 8822-B itself! Thanks to Giovanni for starting this discussion and to everyone who shared their experiences - this has been way more valuable than any official IRS publication I've read!

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Andre Laurent

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Great questions! For your first question about the address - you should use your partner's CURRENT address on the 8822-B, not the original one from when you got the EIN. The IRS wants the most up-to-date information, and using an old address could cause processing delays or returned mail. Regarding documentation, beyond the certified mail receipt, I'd recommend keeping: a copy of the completed 8822-B form itself, any correspondence you send to state agencies about the change, records of when you notified your bank and other service providers, and notes from any phone calls with the IRS (including dates, agent names, and reference numbers if they give you any). Your checklist idea is brilliant! I wish I had done that - I ended up scrambling to remember all the places I needed to update information. You might also want to include your business insurance provider on that list if you have any policies that name the responsible party. The tools mentioned in this thread really are helpful. I was skeptical at first too, but sometimes you need all the help you can get when dealing with IRS processes. Good luck with your change - sounds like you're approaching it with the right level of preparation!

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Sean Murphy

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This has been such an amazing resource! I'm actually going through a very similar situation with my real estate LLC - we need to change from our original managing member to our new partner who's taking over the day-to-day operations. One question I haven't seen addressed: if you're making this change right before year-end, is there any advantage to waiting until January to submit the 8822-B? I'm wondering if it's cleaner to have David handle all of 2023's communications from the start, rather than having the change happen mid-year for 2022. Also, for anyone who's used the tools mentioned (taxr.ai and claimyr.com), did you find them worth the cost? I'm usually pretty DIY with this stuff, but given all the coordination required, having some professional guidance might be worth the investment. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this thread is going in my bookmarks for reference throughout this process! @Giovanni Marino, hoping your restructuring goes smoothly!

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Great question about timing the change around year-end! From my experience, there's actually a slight advantage to getting the 8822-B processed before January if possible. The IRS tends to get backlogged during tax season, so submitting now (even if it processes in early 2023) could save you weeks compared to filing after the New Year rush begins. Plus, having David officially on record before you start receiving 2023 correspondence means there's no gap period where communications might go to Mike while David is expecting to handle them. The mid-year change for 2022 really isn't a big deal administratively - the IRS handles these transitions routinely. Regarding the tools, I haven't used taxr.ai personally, but I did try claimyr.com when I needed to resolve a processing question. For me it was worth the cost ($50 I think?) just for the time savings and peace of mind. If you're comfortable navigating IRS phone systems and have flexible daytime availability, you might not need it. But if you're juggling a lot of other business responsibilities during this transition, the convenience factor alone made it worthwhile for my situation. Good luck with your real estate LLC change!

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Mei Chen

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Maybe I'm overthinking this, but wouldn't the deferred state tax create a federal-deferred-tax-on-deferred-state-tax situation? Since state taxes are generally deductible for federal purposes, the future state tax payment would generate a future federal tax benefit...my head hurts just thinking about this lol

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GalaxyGazer

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You're actually right on target! This is called the "tax on tax" or "tax benefit of tax" effect. When calculating the total DTL/DTA, you need to consider that future state tax payments/benefits will themselves affect federal taxable income. Most tax provision software automatically handles this, but if you're doing it manually, you'd need to adjust your effective rate calculation. If your federal rate is 21% and state rate is 5%, you don't just add them to get 26%. You'd calculate it as: Federal rate + State rate - (Federal rate Ɨ State rate) = 21% + 5% - (21% Ɨ 5%) = 25.95%.

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This is exactly the kind of complex deferred tax issue that trips up so many corporate filers! I went through something similar last year with our multi-state operations. One thing that helped me was creating a simple flowchart: Book depreciation vs Tax depreciation → Creates temporary difference → Calculate using blended effective rate (including that tax-on-tax adjustment GalaxyGazer mentioned) → Results in DTL on balance sheet and deferred tax expense on P&L → The expense itself isn't deductible, but the underlying depreciation difference drives your M-1 adjustments. The state component gets particularly tricky if you're in multiple jurisdictions or if rates are changing. We ended up having to track each asset's expected reversal pattern by state to get it right. It's tedious but necessary for accuracy. Have you considered whether any of your temporary differences might qualify for the indefinite reversal exception? Sometimes companies overlook this and end up calculating deferred taxes on differences that may never actually reverse.

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I had this problem and discovered you can also request a wage and income transcript directly from the IRS which includes information from your 1099-SA! Go to IRS.gov and search for "Get Transcript Online" - you'll need to create an account but then you can download or view all the tax documents that have been reported to the IRS for your SSN. It won't be available immediately (there's some delay between when companies submit forms and when they appear in the system), but it's a good backup if you absolutely cannot get the form from your provider.

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Ethan Clark

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Tried this route and found out my transcript doesn't show my 1099-SA yet because my HSA provider was late filing them with the IRS. Apparently, they have until March 31 to file with the IRS, even though they're supposed to send them to us by January 31. So frustrating!

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That's a really good point about the timing discrepancy. If your HSA provider was late sending forms to the IRS, they won't show up on your transcript yet. The January 31 deadline is for sending to taxpayers, while they have additional time to submit to the IRS electronically. In that case, you'll definitely need to contact your HSA provider directly. If their customer service is hard to reach, try looking for a specialized tax document department or email address which sometimes bypasses the general customer service queue.

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Hey Emma! I totally understand your frustration - the 1099-SA can be confusing if you've never dealt with one before. Since H&R Block is asking for it, you definitely made withdrawals from your Health Savings Account during 2024. First, try logging into your HSA provider's website (this would be whoever manages your HSA through your employer - companies like HealthEquity, Optum Bank, HSA Bank, etc.). Look for a "Tax Documents" or "Tax Forms" section in your account. Most providers post these forms online by January 31st. If you can't find it online or don't remember your login, check any paperwork you have from your HSA - there should be a customer service number. You can also ask your HR department who your HSA administrator is if you're not sure. The 1099-SA will show the total amount you withdrew from your HSA during 2024. Don't panic about taxes though - if you used the money for qualified medical expenses (doctor visits, prescriptions, etc.), you won't owe additional taxes on those withdrawals. Just make sure you have receipts to support the medical expenses in case you ever get audited. Good luck getting your taxes finished before your trip!

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