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My cousin retired last year and she told me that the first $22,320 you make in a year doesn't count at all against Social Security regardless of when you earn it. But then her neighbor told her that was wrong and now she's all confused too. The Social Security rules are so complicated!!! Why can't they just make it simple?
Your cousin's neighbor is correct that the information is wrong. The $22,320 annual limit applies in years after your first year of receiving benefits. In the first year, SSA only looks at your monthly earnings after you start receiving benefits, using the $1860/month limit. The Social Security Administration could definitely do a better job explaining these rules!
I went through this exact same situation two years ago and wanted to share what I learned. The monthly earnings test ($1860/month) only applies AFTER you start collecting benefits in August. Your January-July earnings won't affect your Social Security at all. However, here's something crucial that saved me from problems: make sure you understand how SSA defines "earnings" for that monthly test. It's not just regular wages - it includes any compensation for services you perform in that month. So if you do any consulting work, freelance projects, or even help a friend with their business for pay after August, that counts toward the $1860 limit. Also, I'd strongly recommend calling SSA about 2-3 months before you plan to start benefits to go over your specific situation. Yes, it's hard to get through, but it's worth it to avoid any surprises. When I called, they walked me through exactly what would and wouldn't count as earnings in my first year. One more tip: keep detailed records of when you officially stop working and any final payments you receive. SSA may ask for documentation later to verify your earnings timeline.
This is really helpful advice! I hadn't thought about the consulting/freelance angle - I was planning to maybe do some part-time consulting work after I retire, so I'll need to be careful about that timing. The idea about calling SSA a few months ahead is smart too, even if it's a hassle to get through. Better to sort this out beforehand than deal with problems later. Thanks for sharing your experience!
My cousin said if u work for 10 more years after taking early SS they have to recalculate everything and give u the higher amount. Is that right???
Not exactly. If you continue working while receiving benefits, SSA automatically recalculates your benefit each year to see if your new earnings increase your monthly amount. This can happen if your recent earnings are higher than one of the 35 years used in your original calculation. However, the early filing reduction percentage still applies to any new calculation. Your cousin might be confusing this with the recalculation that happens at FRA if you had benefits withheld due to the earnings test.
I'm new to this community but going through a similar situation - started collecting at 62 and now wondering about what happens at FRA. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful! It's frustrating that the SSA doesn't explain these permanent reductions more clearly upfront. I had no idea that the early filing reduction would stick with me forever. For anyone else in this boat, it sounds like the key takeaways are: 1) Your own retirement benefit reduction is permanent, 2) Your spousal benefit might see a small increase at FRA, and 3) You'll still get annual COLAs. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world info that's hard to find elsewhere!
one thing nobody mentioned - make sure ur doing guardianship paperwork before she turns 18!!! we didnt realize we needed that and it was a NIGHTMARE when my nephew turned 18 even tho he functions like a 7 yr old
I'm a retired SSA employee and wanted to add some clarity to this discussion. First, your granddaughter can indeed potentially receive benefits on your record if it would be higher - this is called "dual entitlement" and SSA is supposed to automatically pay whichever is higher, but sometimes you need to specifically request the comparison. However, I want to echo the Medicaid warnings here - this is CRITICAL. Many states have "spend down" programs or disability waivers that might protect her coverage even with higher income, but you absolutely must verify this BEFORE making any changes. A few additional points: - At 73, your benefit amount is likely significantly higher than your son's was at 29, so there's a good chance she'd get more on your record - She should qualify as a "child disability beneficiary" which means benefits can continue past 18 if she remains disabled - Document everything about her current medical needs and expenses - this will be important for both SSA and Medicaid reviews I'd strongly recommend visiting your local SSA office with all her medical documentation and requesting a formal benefit calculation comparison. Don't rely on phone calls for something this important.
I did this in November it was really easy actually. The call lasted 15 minutes they just asked for my husbands ssn and marriage date and added the spousal part to my existing benifits. Money showed up 2 weeks later in my direct deposit.
That's encouraging! Did they explain how they calculated the amount or did they just tell you what you'd be getting?
As someone who just went through this process last month, I wanted to share a few practical tips for your upcoming call: 1. Have a calculator ready - it really helps to do the math yourself as they explain it. My rep walked me through it step by step which made everything much clearer. 2. Ask them to email or mail you a summary of the calculation after the call. This way you have it in writing and can review it later. 3. If your case is approved, ask about the effective date. Mine was retroactive to when I first became eligible, which resulted in a nice lump sum payment. 4. Don't be discouraged if the first rep seems unsure - I had to call back once because the first person gave me conflicting information about my early retirement reduction. The whole process took about 3 weeks from application to first payment, and I was really glad I applied. Given the difference between your benefits ($950 vs $2800), you'll very likely qualify for additional spousal benefits. Good luck with your call on the 24th!
This is exactly the kind of detailed advice I was hoping for! Thank you so much. I'm definitely going to ask for that summary in writing - that's a great idea I wouldn't have thought of. The retroactive payment possibility is really encouraging too. Did they tell you upfront that it would be retroactive, or was that a surprise when you received it?
Taylor Chen
Update: I called SSA this morning (took forever to get through!) and have an appointment next week to apply for the survivor benefits. The representative confirmed that since we were married over 10 years and I haven't remarried, I'm eligible even though we were divorced. She also verified I can take these benefits now while letting my own retirement benefit grow until 70. Thanks everyone for your help and advice!
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Keith Davidson
•That's great news! Congrats on getting an appointment so quickly. This approach could add thousands to your lifetime benefits. Make sure to bring all your documentation to the appointment - birth certificate, marriage certificate, divorce decree, his death certificate, and your ID. Let us know how it goes!
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Brooklyn Foley
•Smart move! My mom did something similar and it worked out great. Those 4 years of survivor benefits really helped her finances, and then at 70 her own benefit was much higher. Best of both worlds.
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Giovanni Conti
This is such valuable information for anyone in a similar situation! I'm 64 and divorced after 12 years of marriage. My ex-husband is older than me and in poor health, so this thread has been really eye-opening about potential future options. The key takeaways I'm getting are: 1) Marriage must have lasted 10+ years, 2) You can't have remarried, 3) You can collect survivor benefits at FRA while delaying your own until 70, and 4) Act quickly since there's only 6 months of retroactive benefits. Taylor, please keep us updated on how your appointment goes - it could help others navigate this process!
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