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Has anyone else noticed how RIDICULOUS it is that we have to figure all this out ourselves?? The rules are so complicated and then they make it impossible to get help understanding them. My dad paid into the system for 45 years and when mom tried to claim his benefits after he died, it was like pulling teeth to get straight answers from SSA. The whole system needs to be simplified!

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AGREED!!! It's like they deliberately make it confusing so people don't claim what they're entitled to. And good luck getting through on the phone - I've been trying for MONTHS to resolve an issue with my disability back pay!

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This is such valuable information for so many people! I'm a benefits counselor and I see this exact situation come up frequently. One additional tip - when you apply next month, ask specifically about "deemed filing" rules too. Since you'll be under your full retirement age when you apply for survivor benefits, SSA will automatically consider you to be filing for any other benefits you're eligible for (like your own retirement benefit if you're 62+). Make sure they explain how this affects your options, especially given the great strategy advice from NebulaNomad and Javier about potentially switching between benefits later. The SSA representatives don't always volunteer this information, so you have to ask directly. Good luck with your application!

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Thank you for bringing up the deemed filing rules! As someone new to all this, I had no idea that applying for one benefit could automatically trigger applications for others. This is exactly the kind of information that seems to get glossed over. Can you explain a bit more about what "deemed filing" means in practical terms? Like, if I apply for survivor benefits at 60, would they automatically make me take my own retirement benefit too even if it's not optimal? I want to make sure I understand this before I go in so I can ask the right questions.

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My sister went thru this last year with her disability claim. The most important thing is to be super detailed about how your conditions affect your daily life. Don't just list diagnoses - explain exactly what you can't do anymore. Like instead of saying "I have back pain" say "I can't sit for more than 20 minutes without severe pain" or "I need to lie down 3-4 times a day for an hour" etc. That's what finally got her approved.

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That's really good advice, thank you! I'll start making a detailed list of my limitations. Some days I can barely get dressed without help, and I definitely can't do things like cleaning or shopping without extreme pain afterward.

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I'm going through a similar situation right now and wanted to share what I've learned. Like you, I haven't worked in many years due to disability, so I'm dealing with the SSI route rather than SSDI. One thing that's been really helpful is keeping a daily symptom diary - writing down pain levels, what activities I attempted, how long I could do them, and what happened afterward. My disability attorney said this kind of documentation is gold when it comes to proving how your conditions actually impact your daily functioning. Also, don't underestimate the PTSD component of your case. Mental health conditions can be just as disabling as physical ones, and the combination of chronic pain and PTSD often creates limitations that are greater than either condition alone. The process is definitely frustrating and takes forever, but don't give up. Your combination of conditions sounds very limiting, and you deserve support. Start that application soon though - even if you get denied initially, it establishes your filing date for any potential back pay.

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Current processing times for spousal benefits are running about 3-5 weeks for straightforward applications with all required documentation. However, if there are any complications or missing documents, it can take 2-3 months. I recommend applying about 3 months before you want benefits to begin. Also, remember that benefits are paid in the month following the month they're due for. So your January benefit arrives in February, etc. This sometimes confuses people who are expecting their first payment immediately.

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I'm in a similar boat - my husband filed early in 2012 and I'm getting close to retirement myself. One thing I learned from my research is that you should also check if you're eligible for "deemed filing" rules depending on when you were born. If you were born before January 2, 1954, you might have some additional strategic options for timing your applications. Also, don't forget that spousal benefits can be paid retroactively up to 6 months before your application date if you're already past your FRA when you apply. The SSA website has a really helpful benefits calculator tool that can give you estimates based on different claiming scenarios - it's under "my Social Security" if you create an account.

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Confused about Surviving Spouse Benefits calculation - is partial payment of deceased husband's Social Security normal?

I'm in a complete state of confusion right now about my survivor benefits. My husband passed away in October (2024), and I applied for both the Lump-Sum Death Payment and Surviving Spouse Benefits during the same phone interview about 48 days ago. We were married for 18 years, and my husband was already receiving his Social Security retirement benefits when he passed. I received the $255 Lump-Sum Death Payment 9 days ago, but I'm still waiting on the monthly survivor benefits. I reached FRA (Full Retirement Age) in early 2024 but hadn't applied for my own retirement benefits yet. When I asked about this before, I was told I would receive my husband's FULL retirement benefit amount since I'm at FRA. But yesterday, the SSA claims representative handling my case called and threw me for a loop. She asked if I wanted to apply for my own retirement benefits too, saying they could backdate it six months and I'd get that backpay quickly. Then she explained that for the survivor benefits, I wouldn't get my husband's full amount - instead I'd get a COMBINATION of my own benefit plus only a PORTION of his that would equal his total. Using her example: My retirement benefit = $1,320/month Portion of his benefit = $1,040/month Total = $2,360/month (which equals what he was receiving) I'm completely baffled. I thought I was supposed to get his entire benefit amount since I'm at FRA. The rep seemed to be trying to help me get some backpay quickly since I've had very little income since October, but I'm worried this might delay the survivor benefits or shortchange me somehow. Did she explain this correctly? Are survivor benefits really calculated this way? I'm desperate for this income to start flowing soon.

Social Security survivor benefit expert here. Let me clarify exactly what's happening: 1. As a surviving spouse at FRA, you're entitled to 100% of your deceased husband's benefit amount. 2. How SSA processes this internally: - They pay your own retirement benefit first - Then they add a "partial survivor benefit" to reach the total - The sum equals your husband's full benefit amount 3. Why they suggested filing for your retirement: - Retirement claims process faster than survivor claims - You'll get some income (your retirement + 6 months backpay) while waiting - When the survivor portion is approved, your total will equal your husband's benefit - You'll also get retroactive survivor payments back to the month after his passing 4. This dual-entitlement processing is standard procedure and doesn't reduce your total benefit. The rep was actually trying to help you by suggesting this approach. It gets money in your pocket faster while the more complex survivor portion processes.

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Thank you so much for explaining this so clearly! I feel much better now understanding how it all works. I'll definitely follow up with SSA about getting my own retirement started while they process the survivor portion. This has been so helpful.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Ava. Losing a spouse is devastating, and dealing with SSA bureaucracy on top of grief makes it even harder. The rep explained it correctly - you'll receive the full amount your husband was getting, but SSA splits it administratively between "your benefit" and "survivor portion." This is completely normal and you're not being shortchanged. Since you've been without income since October, I'd strongly recommend taking their suggestion to file for your retirement benefits now. Here's why: - You'll get your retirement benefit plus 6 months backpay within a few weeks - Survivor benefits can take months to process fully - Once approved, you'll get retroactive survivor payments back to November 2024 - Your total monthly amount will equal your husband's full benefit One tip: get everything in writing or take detailed notes during calls, including the rep's name and date. SSA processing can be inconsistent, and having documentation helps if you need to follow up. You're doing everything right - hang in there. The financial relief is coming.

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Thank you for the kind words and the clear breakdown. You're absolutely right - dealing with all this paperwork and confusion while grieving has been overwhelming. I really appreciate everyone here helping me understand that this is normal processing and I'm not getting cheated somehow. I'm definitely going to call tomorrow to get my retirement benefits started. The idea of getting some income flowing in a few weeks instead of waiting months for everything sounds like a lifesaver right now. And knowing I'll still get all the retroactive payments once it's sorted out makes me feel much better about moving forward with this approach. The documentation tip is really smart - I've been so stressed during these calls that I haven't been taking good notes. I'll start doing that from now on. Thanks again for all the support and advice!

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Update: I finally got through to Social Security today! The representative confirmed I am eligible for divorced spouse benefits from my first husband. She calculated that I would receive an additional $275 per month on top of my current benefit. She also said I could only get 6 months of retroactive payments, which is disappointing but better than nothing. Thank you all so much for your help and for encouraging me to pursue this. I never would have known to question what I was told initially. The rep is sending me some forms to fill out, and I need to locate my marriage certificate and divorce decree to submit with my application.

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That's excellent news! An extra $275/month is significant - that's $3,300 per year. Plus the 6 months back pay gives you $1,650 right away. You're right to be disappointed about not getting full retroactive benefits, but unfortunately that's standard SSA policy - they typically only go back 6 months from application date regardless of when you became eligible. Make sure to keep copies of everything you submit, and get a receipt or confirmation number for your application. If you have any issues with the process, don't hesitate to follow up regularly. Congratulations on getting this resolved!

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Congratulations Emma! This is such a great outcome and really shows why it's so important to advocate for yourself with Social Security. An extra $275/month will make a real difference in your monthly budget. For anyone else reading this thread who might be in a similar situation - this is a perfect example of why you should always get a second opinion if something doesn't sound right. The SSA representatives are human and can make mistakes or may not be fully informed about all the rules. A few tips for others: Always ask to speak with a supervisor if you're not satisfied with the answer you get, keep detailed notes of every conversation including the date and representative's name, and don't be afraid to call back if you need clarification. The rules around divorced spouse benefits are complex, but you deserve to get every benefit you're entitled to! Emma, make sure to follow up if there are any delays in processing your application. Sometimes these things can take a while to get fully resolved.

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