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One more important point: The earnings limit applies only to earned income (wages or self-employment). It does NOT apply to investment income, pension payments, annuities, capital gains, or other government benefits. So if some of your $38,000 comes from these sources, it wouldn't count toward the earnings limit.
Don't panic! This is actually a pretty common situation and it's not as bad as it seems. The key thing is to report your expected earnings to SSA as soon as possible - don't wait until tax time. You can do this through your mySocialSecurity account online or by calling them. They'll adjust your payments going forward rather than demanding a lump sum repayment. Since you're earning $38K and the limit is $22,320, they'll withhold about $7,840 total ($15,680 over ÷ 2 = $7,840). This typically means they'll stop your monthly checks for several months until that amount is recovered, then resume payments. The silver lining is that when you reach your Full Retirement Age, SSA will recalculate your benefit to account for those withheld months, giving you a permanently higher monthly payment. So while it's stressful now, you're not actually losing that money long-term.
BTW be careful about any retroactive benefits they might try to give you!!! My friend switched at her FRA and they offered her 6 months of retroactive benefits which SEEMED great but actually permanently reduced her monthly amount!!! The rules are super complicated and the reps don't always explain everything correctly.
This is an excellent point that many people miss. When you apply for retirement benefits at or after FRA, SSA offers up to 6 months of retroactive benefits. However, accepting this means your benefit amount is calculated as if you filed earlier, resulting in a permanently lower monthly payment. For survivor benefits switching to retirement benefits, this can be especially confusing. Always ask specifically how accepting retroactive benefits will affect your long-term payment amount.
I'm going through something very similar right now! I'm 63 and have been on survivor benefits since my wife passed in 2022. The online system is absolutely useless for our situation - I get the same message about information not being available. What I ended up doing was calling the SSA national number (1-800-772-1213) early in the morning around 8 AM when they open. The wait was still about 45 minutes, but much better than later in the day. The agent was able to pull up my estimated retirement benefit right over the phone and explain the difference. In my case, my survivor benefit is higher, but she also explained that I could potentially switch to my own retirement benefit later if it grows enough with delayed retirement credits. The key thing I learned is that you really need to speak with someone directly - the online tools just aren't designed for people in our situation. One tip: have your Social Security number and your late husband's SSN ready when you call. They'll need both to access all the information.
Thank you for sharing your experience! It's so helpful to hear from someone in almost the exact same situation. I'm definitely going to try calling at 8 AM - that's a great tip about the timing. 45 minutes still sounds long, but way better than the horror stories I've been hearing about 3+ hour waits! Did the agent give you actual dollar amounts for both benefits over the phone, or just tell you which one was higher? I'm really hoping to get specific numbers so I can plan properly for next year when I reach FRA. Also, when they mentioned delayed retirement credits potentially making your own benefit higher later - did they give you any timeframe for when that crossover point might happen?
EVERYONE impacted by WEP and GPO should join advocacy groups fighting to repeal these unfair penalties! There are bills in Congress almost every year to reform or repeal them but they never pass because most people don't understand these rules until they're personally affected! I'm part of a retired teachers group that's lobbying on this issue. The Social Security Fairness Act would repeal both WEP and GPO but it keeps stalling in Congress. Google "repeal WEP GPO" to find groups in your state working on this. Public servants are getting ROBBED of benefits and it needs to STOP!
I had no idea there were groups working on this! I'll definitely look into it. I worked for decades serving my community, paid into my pension system, and now I'm potentially getting nothing from a 24-year marriage while someone else with the identical marriage situation would get benefits. It does feel very unfair.
I'm in a very similar situation - divorced teacher with a state pension trying to figure out the GPO maze! One thing that helped me was getting a copy of my Social Security Statement online at ssa.gov/myaccount to see what MY estimated benefits would be on my own record vs. what I might potentially get as an ex-spouse (before GPO reduction). Also, I found out that some states have different pension systems - mine allows "dual coverage" where I paid into both Social Security AND the state pension for certain years. If you had any years like that, those might affect your calculations. The key thing I learned is that GPO is based on your GROSS monthly pension amount, not what you actually take home after taxes and deductions. So if your pension statement shows $2,250 gross but you only get $1,800 after taxes/insurance, they still use the $2,250 for the GPO calculation. Definitely worth getting professional help navigating this - the rules are so complex and the stakes are too high to guess wrong!
I went through a similar situation with my disabled adult child and multiple minors a few years ago. One thing that really helped me was creating a spreadsheet to track all the different scenarios before making applications. Here's what I'd suggest documenting: - Your current family maximum ($2,675) - Each person's theoretical full benefit amount (50% of your PIA) - The proportional reduction when everyone applies vs. different combinations For your disabled daughter specifically, make sure you understand that once she switches from SSI to DAC benefits, she can't easily switch back if the numbers don't work out as expected. The good news is that DAC benefits typically provide more stability and freedom than SSI long-term. Also, don't forget that your minor children's benefits come with an earnings test if they work - something to consider as your 14-year-old approaches working age. The key is getting those actual calculations from SSA rather than trying to estimate. Every family's situation is unique, and the bend points in the family maximum formula make it nearly impossible to calculate accurately without their system.
This spreadsheet approach is brilliant! I'm definitely going to set one up to track all the scenarios before we apply. You're absolutely right about needing the actual SSA calculations rather than trying to estimate - I've been spinning my wheels trying to figure out the bend points myself. The point about not being able to easily switch back from DAC to SSI is important too. From everything everyone has shared here, it sounds like DAC is almost always better long-term because of the asset limits and stability, but I want to make sure we're maximizing our total household income in the short term as well. Thanks for mentioning the earnings test for the minor children - that's another factor I hadn't fully considered as my 14-year-old will probably want to start working in a year or two.
I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now - disabled adult child on SSI plus minor children eligible for benefits on my record. One thing I learned that might help you is that the Social Security Administration has local offices that can sometimes provide more detailed, personalized assistance than the national phone line. I made an appointment at my local SSA office and brought all my documentation - my disabled child's medical records, proof of disability onset before age 22, and information about everyone's current benefits. The representative was able to run actual calculations showing exactly how much each person would receive under different scenarios. What really surprised me was that even though the family maximum seemed like it would drastically reduce everyone's individual benefits, the total household income was still higher when everyone applied. The key factor was exactly what others mentioned - my disabled child's SSI just adjusted down to fill the gap, so we weren't really "losing" money, just shifting the source. The other huge advantage of switching from SSI to DAC benefits is that your daughter won't have to worry about those restrictive asset limits anymore. She could potentially save money, have a small inheritance, or even get married without losing benefits - none of which is possible with SSI. I'd definitely recommend making an in-person appointment if possible. The local office staff seemed much more knowledgeable about these complex family situations than the phone representatives.
Chloe Martin
Update: I called the fraud hotline and filed a formal report. They gave me a case number and are sending written confirmation. I've also placed freezes with all three credit bureaus and filed the FTC report. Still waiting to hear if they can tell me how someone got my information in the first place, but at least I feel like I've taken steps to protect myself. Thanks again to everyone for the advice - this community has been incredibly helpful during a stressful situation!
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Diego Fernández
•Excellent work taking all those protective steps! Unfortunately, they probably won't be able to tell you exactly how your information was compromised - it could have been from any number of data breaches over the years. The important thing is that you caught it early and took swift action. You might want to consider ongoing credit monitoring as an extra layer of protection going forward.
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Mateo Martinez
I'm so sorry this happened to you! As someone who works in cybersecurity, I can tell you that Social Security fraud attempts have absolutely skyrocketed in recent years. You handled this perfectly by calling immediately and not ignoring that suspicious email. One additional step I'd recommend is requesting your Social Security Statement (Form SSA-7005) to verify that no unauthorized earnings have been reported under your SSN. You can do this through your mySocialSecurity account or by calling SSA. Also, consider signing up for credit monitoring services if you haven't already - many are free and will alert you to any new accounts or inquiries. Some banks and credit cards also offer identity theft protection services to their customers. The fact that you caught this so quickly is huge. Most fraudsters rely on people not noticing these things for weeks or months. You've likely prevented a much bigger headache down the road!
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Landon Flounder
•Thank you for the cybersecurity perspective and the additional advice about the Social Security Statement! I didn't know I could request that to check for unauthorized earnings - that's definitely something I'll do. I'm already signed up for credit monitoring through my bank, but I'll look into additional services too. It's reassuring to hear from someone in cybersecurity that I handled this well. I was honestly panicking when I first got that email, but everyone's responses here have helped me feel more confident that I'm taking the right steps to protect myself.
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