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Why is my Social Security lump sum payment different than what SSA website shows? Only received $354 instead of $3,472
I'm really confused about my Social Security backpay situation. Last Friday (Jan 3rd) I received a deposit of $354 in my checking account from Social Security. But when I checked my MySocialSecurity account online, it shows I should have received a one-time payment of $3,472 on that same date! That's a huge difference - over $3,000 missing!This is my second payment issue since filing. I started collecting at age 70 in November, and on Dec 3rd they deposited $136 which the website also labeled as a "one-time payment" (no explanation provided). Then I got my regular monthly benefit on the third Wednesday in December, followed by this mysterious partial payment on January 3rd.Has anyone experienced this kind of discrepancy between what the SSA website shows and what actually got deposited? Should I be expecting additional deposits to make up the difference? Will they even send me any explanation letter about what was deducted and why? I'm starting to worry that something's seriously wrong with my benefit calculations.
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No, that shouldn't be an issue for me - I've never received any Social Security benefits before now. But thanks for mentioning it, I'll keep that possibility in mind when I talk to them.
UPDATE: I finally got through to someone at SSA this morning! They confirmed what many of you suggested - the $3,472 is my total backpay entitlement, and they're releasing it in separate payments. The $354 was the first installment, and they said the remainder should arrive within 5-7 business days. Apparently this is standard procedure for larger backpay amounts, but they don't explain this anywhere! The agent couldn't tell me exactly why they split it up this way or the exact date the next deposit will arrive, just that it's \
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One thing nobody's mentioned - if he gets approved for SSDI with an onset date from 20 years ago, does he qualify for any back payments? Seems like the system should compensate him for all those years he could have collected but chose to work instead.
Unfortunately, SSDI back payments are limited to 12 months prior to application date, regardless of when the disability began. It's one of those policies that can feel really unfair, especially to people who tried to keep working despite qualifying disabilities. The system doesn't really have a mechanism to compensate people who chose work over benefits historically.
This is actually a common misunderstanding about SSDI and Medicare. The 24-month waiting period for Medicare begins when you become entitled to SSDI benefits, which is typically 5 months after your established onset date (due to the SSDI 5-month waiting period). However, since your brother-in-law has been disabled for 20 years but never applied, his entitlement date would begin 5 months after he applies and gets approved (assuming they establish his onset date as recent). If he can prove he met the disability criteria continuously for the past 20 years, the onset date might be set far back, but SSA will only pay benefits 12 months retroactively from application date. The Medicare clock would still start from his first SSDI entitlement, not from the onset date 20 years ago. Only time actually receiving SSDI benefits counts toward the Medicare waiting period.
This is so confusing! So basically he gets punished for working instead of taking benefits. The system is backwards.
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Just an update - I spoke with my cousin at SSA today and she confirmed they're now actively recruiting retired employees in most regions. They're offering higher than usual compensation for these temporary positions, especially for those with experience in recalculations and pension offsets. The focus is on processing the backlog rather than customer-facing roles. She also mentioned they're developing a streamlined training program specifically for retired employees to get them up to speed on the new systems more quickly.
This is accurate. They're also prioritizing cases in a specific order: First, beneficiaries with the longest time having WEP/GPO reductions applied. Second, those with the largest dollar impact. Third, more recent retirees. The estimated timeframe to work through the entire backlog is 18-24 months, even with the rehires and additional temporary staff. It's worth noting that once your case is assigned to a technician, the actual recalculation typically takes only 2-3 weeks to complete.
I think this shows why it's sometimes better to delay applying for benefits if you can. My financial advisor suggested I wait until this backlog clears before applying for my retirement benefits (I'm affected by WEP). That way my application will include the correct calculation from the start instead of waiting for a recalculation. Of course, not everyone has the luxury of waiting.
That's a really good point I hadn't considered. I'm going to pass that along to my sister who's planning to file next year. Better to get it right the first time than deal with the recalculation mess.
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Just to add some clarity about the recalculation: After you reach FRA, Social Security will automatically adjust your monthly benefit amount to account for any months your benefits were withheld due to the earnings test. This is done through what's called an "ARF adjustment" (Adjustment to the Reduction Factor). The adjustment happens automatically about 2-4 months after you reach FRA. You don't need to request it, but it's always good to follow up if you don't see the change by May 2025. The increase could be significant depending on how many months of benefits were withheld over the years.
This is exactly what happened to me! The ARF adjustment boosted my monthly check by $180. Best "raise" I ever got lol. Took about 3 months after FRA to kick in but was retroactive to my FRA month.
I still think the whole system is INSANE!!! Why make us wait until 66 and 8 months? Why not just 66 or 67? And the earnings limit is PUNISHING people who work. If I didn't need the money I wouldn't still be working at 66!!! Anyone else feel like the system is designed to confuse us????
totally agree! my dad got so frustrated with the system he gave up trying to understand it. just takes whatever SS gives him even tho hes probably entitled to more
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just wondering did u have to fill out a tax form at the casino when u won? i think they give u some kinda form if its over a certain amount
Yes, I had to fill out a W-2G right there at the casino since it was over $1,200. They actually withheld 24% for federal taxes on the spot. I was just worried about the SSA part!
One more thing to consider - if you're receiving any means-tested benefits besides Social Security (like Medicaid, SNAP, etc.), the gambling winnings could potentially affect those. Social Security widow benefits aren't affected by assets, but some other programs are. Just something to keep in mind if you're enrolled in other assistance programs.
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I had success getting a small backpay amount (about $175) by going IN PERSON to my local SSA office. Brought all my paperwork and explained the situation calmly. The rep was really helpful once I was face-to-face. Sometimes that personal touch makes all the difference versus trying to handle it over the phone.
I think I might try this approach if the phone call doesn't work out. Did you need an appointment or were you able to just walk in?
Just a quick update on what I mentioned earlier - if you do go to the local office, make sure to bring: 1. Both letters showing the conversion and the recalculation 2. Your ID 3. Any documentation of your work history while on SSDI 4. A simple written statement of what you're requesting (this helps them document it properly) You might also want to print out your recent payment history from your my Social Security account to show the payment amounts you've received. The more organized you are, the easier it is for them to help you resolve it quickly.
This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'll definitely get all this documentation together. I actually think I have both letters in my online account too, so I can print those out.
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These confusing notices are EXACTLY why so many people get hit with overpayment notices years later! The SSA is notorious for giving you money then demanding it back with little explanation. My sister got hit with a $12,000 overpayment notice THREE YEARS after receiving survivor benefits because of some calculation error they never explained properly. The system is designed to confuse people!!!
omg that's terrifying! did she have to pay it all back?
She's on a payment plan but YES they're taking $200/month from her current benefits. It's CRIMINAL!
One additional thing to consider - if you received retroactive survivors benefits while also receiving another type of benefit (like retirement on your own record), there might be an offset calculation happening too. Also, I'd recommend checking if the $13,358.20 figure includes any amount they might have withheld for potential tax liability. For larger backpay amounts, SSA sometimes withholds 10% for federal taxes unless you specifically requested otherwise. When you call, ask for a "MACADE" printout (Master Beneficiary Record Computer Access Data Extract) which shows all payment calculations and adjustments. Most representatives don't offer this unless specifically requested.
I wasn't receiving any other benefits, but the tax withholding possibility is interesting. I didn't specifically request tax withholding, but that could explain part of the difference. I've written down all these document names so I know exactly what to ask for when I call. Thank you!
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I was in a similar position a few years back. Getting those family benefits made a HUGE difference for us, especially with the debt we were carrying. But one thing I wish someone had told me - document EVERYTHING. Keep copies of all your application paperwork, confirmation numbers, the names of any SSA reps you speak with, etc. When my son turned 18, there was a mess with stopping his benefits that took months to sort out because the SSA claimed they never received some paperwork I KNOW I submitted. The system is so backed up and understaffed that errors happen constantly.
That's really good advice, thank you. I'll make sure to keep careful records of everything. Did your overall experience with taking the family benefits work out positively despite the paperwork issues?
Overall, yes, it was absolutely worth it for us. The family benefits helped us pay off about $42,000 in debt over three years, which gave us so much more financial freedom. My husband's reduced benefit is enough for our needs now that our expenses are lower without the debt payments. The paperwork headaches were frustrating but temporary. One thing we did that really helped - we pretended the family benefits didn't exist for our day-to-day budget and used them ONLY for debt paydown. Made it easier when those extra payments stopped.
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One more important thing to consider: If you're still working, the earnings test might apply until you reach your FRA. In 2025, you can earn up to $22,150 without any reduction in benefits. Above that, they withhold $1 in benefits for every $2 earned. Are you still working, and if so, do you earn above this threshold?
I retired from teaching last year, so the earnings test won't be an issue for me. But that's really good information for others to know! I had no idea there was an earnings limit for survivor benefits.
I called back to SSA three times and got three slightly different answers about my survivor benefits. The third rep finally took the time to do the actual calculation with me on the phone and explain each step. Don't be afraid to keep calling until you get someone who will take the time to go through the full calculation with you so you understand exactly what you'll be receiving.
THIS RIGHT HERE!!!! Its like playing the lottery trying to get a SSA person who actually knows what they're doing!!! I called FIVE TIMES about my widower benefits and kept track of who told me what! HUGE differences in what they said I should get!!!
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Has anyone here been in a situation where they OVERwithheld from their Social Security? I'm wondering what happens in that case - do you just get it back when you file your taxes?
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Dylan Mitchell
•Yes, if you overwithhold from your Social Security benefits, you'll receive the excess amount as a refund when you file your tax return, just like any other tax overpayment. It gets treated the same as excess withholding from wages or other income sources.
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My sister told me that once you start withholding you can NEVER STOP IT is that true???? I'm worried about starting withholding because what if I need all my money someday and can't stop the withholding????
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•That's absolutely not true. You can start, stop, or change your withholding at any time by submitting a new Form W-4V. If you want to stop withholding completely, you would select the "No Federal Income Tax Withheld" option on the form. Your sister may have confused this with something else, but withholding from Social Security benefits is completely voluntary and can be modified whenever you wish.
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