Social Security tax withholding confusion - calculated before or after Medicare deduction?
Just found out our household income is going to make our Social Security benefits taxable and I'm scrambling to figure out the withholding forms. My benefits started 14 months ago and my husband just got his first payment yesterday. Our combined pension income is about $72,000 which pushes us well over the threshold for SS taxation. I'm going to submit voluntary withholding forms (W-4V I think?) at the local office tomorrow, but I'm confused about how the withholding percentage actually works. Is the withholding calculated on my GROSS benefit amount BEFORE they take out the Medicare premium? Or is it calculated on the NET amount AFTER they've already subtracted Medicare? I don't want to be caught short again next tax season! Has anyone here done voluntary withholding who can explain how it works? Thank you!!
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Liam McGuire
its calculated on the gross amount before medicare is taken out. i went thru this last year when i started drawing ss benefits. they take the percentage you choose (7%, 10%, etc) from the total benefit amount, THEN they subtract medicare.
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Mei Zhang
•Thank you! That's what I was hoping to hear. So if I have a $2,800 benefit and choose 10% withholding, they'll withhold $280 for taxes, then take out the Medicare premium from the remainder. Appreciate the quick answer!
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Amara Eze
The withholding is calculated on your gross Social Security benefit amount before any deductions (including Medicare). When you complete Form W-4V, you can select a withholding percentage of 7%, 10%, 12%, or 22% of your gross benefit amount. For example, if your monthly benefit is $2,500 and you select 10% withholding, SSA will withhold $250 for federal taxes regardless of your Medicare premium amount. The Medicare premium is a separate deduction entirely. Keep in mind that withholding is completely voluntary for Social Security benefits. You might want to use the IRS withholding estimator to determine the appropriate percentage based on your combined income sources.
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Giovanni Ricci
•Is the W-4V the same as the regular W-4 form that employers use? My wife and I both have pensions plus Social Security and I'm super confused about all the different withholding forms!
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Amara Eze
•No, they're different forms. The W-4V (Voluntary Withholding Request) is specifically for federal benefit payments like Social Security. The regular W-4 is used for employer withholding. For your pension withholding, you'd typically use a W-4P form, which is designed for periodic pension payments. Each income source has its own withholding form and process.
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NeonNomad
Went through this exact thing! Yes, withholding is based on gross amount before Medicare. But something to consider - if you're really worried about taxes, you might be better off making quarterly estimated tax payments instead of using SS withholding. More flexibility that way. We had to adjust our withholding THREE TIMES last year to get it right!
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Mei Zhang
•That's an interesting point about quarterly payments. Did you find it difficult to calculate the right amount? I'm worried I'll either withhold too much or too little. How did you figure out you needed to adjust three times?
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NeonNomad
•Our first calculation was WAY off because we forgot about some dividend income. Then we increased it but it still wasn't enough. Third time was the charm! If your income is pretty stable, SS withholding works fine. If you have variable income from investments or part-time work, quarterly payments give more control. There's a worksheet on the IRS site (Form 1040-ES) that helps calculate it.
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Fatima Al-Hashemi
I've been dealing with this headache for three years now. Everyone above is correct - withholding is calculated on the GROSS benefit before Medicare is deducted. But here's something nobody mentioned - when you file that W-4V, be prepared to WAIT. It took SSA almost 2 months to process mine! And then another month before withholding actually started. If you're trying to fix this for 2025 taxes, submit that form ASAP. Don't wait. The local offices are totally backed up with processing these kinds of administrative requests. If you're having trouble reaching someone at SSA to confirm this was processed correctly, I had great luck using Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to an agent. They have a service that calls SSA for you and connects you when an agent is available. Saved me hours of hold time. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU that shows how it works.
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Mei Zhang
•Two months to process?! Oh no, I was hoping to get this taken care of quickly. Thanks for the heads up about the delays. I'll submit the form tomorrow as planned. And thanks for the Claimyr tip - I might need that if I don't see the withholding start within a reasonable time.
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Dylan Mitchell
There's an important detail I want to add regarding tax withholding from Social Security benefits. The withholding percentage you select (7%, 10%, 12%, or 22%) applies to your gross benefit amount before any deductions, including Medicare premiums. However, there's something else to consider: the taxation of Social Security benefits depends on your "combined income" which is: 1. Your adjusted gross income 2. Plus nontaxable interest 3. Plus half of your Social Security benefits For married filing jointly, if this combined income is between $32,000 and $44,000, up to 50% of benefits may be taxable. Above $44,000, up to 85% may be taxable. With pension income of $72,000 plus Social Security benefits, you'll likely have 85% of your benefits subject to taxation. Make sure your withholding accounts for this reality.
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Sofia Martinez
•My tax guy told me the same thing about the 85% rule. Surprised me when I first found out! SS benefits aren't really "tax free" if you have other income.
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Mei Zhang
•Thank you for breaking this down! Yes, our combined income will definitely put us in the 85% taxable range. That's exactly why I'm trying to set up withholding now rather than face a big tax bill next year. It was quite a shock to realize how much of our SS would be taxed.
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Giovanni Ricci
OMG the Social Security tax rules are SO CONFUSING!!! I've been on SS disability for 3 years and I still dont understand it all. My husband works part time and we have to pay taxes on my SSDI even though its supposed to be for DISABILITY! Its not fair!!!!! Does anyone know if you can change your withholding percentage during the year? Or once you pick 10% or whatever are you STUCK with it????
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Amara Eze
•Yes, you can change your withholding percentage at any time by submitting a new Form W-4V. There's no limit to how many times you can change it during the year. Just be aware that it may take several weeks for each change to be processed and implemented.
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Liam McGuire
u might wanna check if ur state taxes social security too. some states dont tax it at all (like florida) but others do. that might change how much u need to withhold.
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Sofia Martinez
•Good point! I moved from Connecticut to Georgia last year and was pleasantly surprised to learn GA doesn't tax SS benefits. Made a big difference in our tax situation.
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Mei Zhang
•That's a great point I hadn't considered. We're in Minnesota which does partially tax Social Security based on income levels. I'll need to look into state withholding options too. Thanks for bringing this up!
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NeonNomad
Has anyone here been in a situation where they OVERwithheld from their Social Security? I'm wondering what happens in that case - do you just get it back when you file your taxes?
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Dylan Mitchell
•Yes, if you overwithhold from your Social Security benefits, you'll receive the excess amount as a refund when you file your tax return, just like any other tax overpayment. It gets treated the same as excess withholding from wages or other income sources.
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Giovanni Ricci
My sister told me that once you start withholding you can NEVER STOP IT is that true???? I'm worried about starting withholding because what if I need all my money someday and can't stop the withholding????
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Amara Eze
•That's absolutely not true. You can start, stop, or change your withholding at any time by submitting a new Form W-4V. If you want to stop withholding completely, you would select the "No Federal Income Tax Withheld" option on the form. Your sister may have confused this with something else, but withholding from Social Security benefits is completely voluntary and can be modified whenever you wish.
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