Social Security tax withholding calculation: Does 22% federal tax apply before or after Medicare premium deduction?
I'm planning to start my SS retirement benefits next month and trying to figure out the tax situation. I want to have 22% withheld for federal taxes (trying to avoid a big tax bill next April!). What I can't figure out is whether the 22% withholding gets calculated on my gross benefit amount or on what's left after they take out my Medicare Part B premium ($209.70/month). Does anyone know the correct order of operations here? Do they take out Medicare first, THEN calculate the 22% tax withholding on the remaining amount? Or do they calculate the 22% tax on the full benefit amount before the Medicare premium is subtracted? This makes a difference of about $46/month for me, so not insignificant. Thanks for any help!
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NeonNinja
The withholding is calculated on your gross benefit amount BEFORE Medicare premiums are deducted. So if your monthly benefit is $2,500, they'll withhold $550 for taxes (22% of $2,500), then subtract your Medicare premium of $209.70, leaving you with $1,740.30. The Social Security Administration treats these as separate transactions - first they calculate any tax withholding based on your full benefit amount, then they deduct Medicare premiums from what remains. I went through this last year when I started collecting.
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Diego Vargas
•Thank you! That's exactly what I needed to know. So I'll need to budget for a bit less each month than I was hoping. At least now I can plan accordingly.
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Anastasia Popov
my sister had this same question last yr. the SSA calculates the tax on the FULL amount before taking out the medicare. kinda stinks but thats how they do it
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Sean Murphy
•This is correct. I work with retirees, and it's a common point of confusion. The withholding calculation is based on the gross benefit amount before any deductions. It's important to note that you can adjust your withholding percentage at any time by submitting a new W-4V form to SSA if you find that 22% is too much or too little.
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Zara Khan
Are you sure you want 22% withheld?? That seems really high to me. I only have 10% taken out and it's more than enough. You might be giving the government an interest-free loan of your money!
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Diego Vargas
•I have other income sources and I'm in a higher tax bracket, so the 22% makes sense for my situation. Last year I had to write a big check to the IRS because I didn't withhold enough, so I'm trying to avoid that this time around!
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Zara Khan
•Gotcha, that makes sense then! Just wanted to make sure you weren't over-withholding by mistake.
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Luca Ferrari
To provide a bit more detail: Your Social Security benefit is subject to a specific calculation order. First, the SSA determines your gross benefit amount based on your earnings history and claiming age. Then, any federal tax withholding you've requested (in your case 22%) is calculated based on this gross amount. After that, Medicare premiums are deducted. Any other deductions like Medicare Advantage plans, Part D, or Medicare Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount (IRMAA) would come out after that. So the order is: 1. Gross benefit determined 2. Federal tax withholding calculated on gross amount 3. Medicare Part B premium deducted 4. Any other Medicare-related deductions 5. Net payment issued to you This sequence is fixed in the SSA's payment processing system.
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Diego Vargas
•Thank you for breaking it down so clearly! This is really helpful. Do you know if state tax withholding (if applicable) would happen at the same time as the federal withholding, or does that come out at a different point?
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Luca Ferrari
•Great question. If you've requested state tax withholding (available in some but not all states), it would be calculated and deducted at the same time as federal withholding - both are based on the gross benefit amount before any Medicare deductions.
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Nia Davis
I tried calling SSA 8 times last month with this EXACT question and could never get through!!! Would hang up after 2+ hours on hold every time. So frustrating!!!
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Mateo Martinez
•I had the same problem trying to reach SSA about tax questions. I finally used Claimyr.com to get through to an agent without the wait. They connected me to SSA in about 15 minutes instead of the 2+ hour hold time I was experiencing before. They have a video showing how it works at https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. Totally worth it for me because I was going crazy with the constant busy signals and disconnections.
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Nia Davis
•OMG thank you!! I'll check this out - anything is better than wasting another day on hold!
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Sean Murphy
Something important to remember is that the 22% withholding is just an estimated payment toward your annual tax obligation. Your actual tax liability will be calculated when you file your annual return, and will be based on your total income from all sources, not just Social Security. Depending on your other income, you might find that 85%, 50%, or even 0% of your Social Security benefits are actually taxable. If your combined income (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of your Social Security benefits) exceeds certain thresholds, more of your benefits become taxable. For 2025, these thresholds are: - Individual filers: $25,000-$34,000 (up to 50% of benefits may be taxable) - Individual filers: Over $34,000 (up to 85% of benefits may be taxable) - Joint filers: $32,000-$44,000 (up to 50% of benefits may be taxable) - Joint filers: Over $44,000 (up to 85% of benefits may be taxable) So your withholding choice of 22% may be appropriate depending on your overall financial situation.
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Diego Vargas
•This is really helpful context, thank you! Yes, I'm pretty sure I'll hit the 85% taxable threshold based on my pension and investment income, which is why I opted for the higher withholding rate. I'd rather get a small refund than have to write a big check.
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Zara Khan
•Wait these numbers don't sound right... aren't the thresholds lower? I thought it was like $25k for singles not $34k?
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Sean Murphy
•You're partially correct. I should have been clearer. For individual filers, if your combined income is between $25,000 and $34,000, up to 50% of your benefits may be taxable. If your combined income is over $34,000, up to 85% may be taxable. For joint filers, the 50% threshold is $32,000-$44,000, and the 85% threshold is over $44,000. I've updated my previous comment to reflect this more accurately.
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Anastasia Popov
just a heads up they send you a special form called SSA-1099 in january that shows your total benefit and how much tax was withheld. you'll need that for your taxes
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Diego Vargas
•Thanks for the reminder! I'll keep an eye out for that form in January.
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