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As a newcomer to this community, I'm really impressed by how comprehensive and helpful this discussion has been! I'm currently 63 and starting to think seriously about my retirement timeline, so reading through Oliver's question and all the detailed responses has been incredibly educational. What really stands out to me is how clear-cut the rules become once you reach Full Retirement Age - the fact that the earnings test completely disappears is such an important distinction that I wasn't fully aware of before. I also appreciate how many people shared their actual experiences with similar vacation payouts rather than just theoretical advice. The tax planning considerations that several members mentioned are definitely something I need to factor into my own retirement planning. This thread is a perfect example of why peer-to-peer knowledge sharing is so valuable - you get real-world insights that you just can't find in official documentation. Thank you to everyone who contributed their experiences and expertise!

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Welcome to the community! I'm also new here and found this discussion incredibly helpful. At 61, I'm just starting to think about retirement planning, and the distinction between being under vs. over Full Retirement Age regarding earnings limits was completely new to me. It's reassuring to see so many real experiences shared - like knowing that vacation payouts won't affect benefits once you reach FRA, but the tax implications are definitely worth planning for. This thread has given me a great starting point for my own research and planning. Thanks to Oliver for asking such a practical question and to everyone who shared their experiences!

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As a newcomer to this community, I want to echo what everyone else has said - you're in excellent shape since you're past your Full Retirement Age! I'm still a few years away from retirement myself, but this entire discussion has been incredibly educational. What really strikes me is how many people have shared their actual experiences with large vacation payouts, and every single one confirms that once you reach FRA, the earnings test is completely off the table. The consistent advice about tax planning is also really valuable - it's clear that while your Social Security benefits won't be reduced, that $8,700 will definitely impact your tax situation for 2025. I love how supportive and knowledgeable this community is - you asked a great question that's helped not just you, but everyone else planning for retirement. Congratulations on reaching this milestone and enjoy your well-deserved retirement!

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One more thing to consider - if you're taking care of any children or dependents with disabilities that your late husband was supporting (even if not biological children), there might be benefits available to them. Also, while the 9-month marriage rule is generally strict, there are occasionally unique circumstances where SSA can make exceptions. For anyone dealing with a similar situation, it's worth filing an application even if you think you'll be denied, because: 1. The application establishes your protective filing date 2. You get a formal, appealable decision 3. Sometimes unusual circumstances do result in exceptions In your specific case, since you mentioned you're 58 now, the most viable path would likely be examining benefits based on your 10+ year first marriage when you reach age 62, while comparing that amount to what you'd receive on your own record.

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Thank you for the additional information. We didn't have any children or dependents together, so that won't help in my case. I think I will go ahead and file an application anyway, just to get the formal decision. And then I'll definitely look into the ex-spouse benefits when I turn 62. I worked part-time for many years while caregiving, so my own benefit might not be very high.

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wait i'm confused...if you were with him for 16 years why did you only get married 6 months before he died? not judging just wondering if there was a reason because that timing seems important

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We always planned to get married eventually, but there was never a rush since we were committed to each other. When he got his cancer diagnosis and it was terminal, we decided to make it official. We didn't realize the Social Security rules at the time or that the 9-month requirement would matter. By the time we learned about it, his health was declining rapidly and we knew we wouldn't make it to 9 months. It's heartbreaking that decades of commitment means nothing compared to a few months on paper.

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the "do over" rule that might be relevant to your situation. If you claim at 62 and later realize it wasn't the best decision, you have 12 months from your first benefit payment to withdraw your application and pay back all the benefits you received (without interest). This gives you a one-time chance to restart at a later age with a higher benefit. This might be worth considering given your uncertainty. You could claim at 62, see how the taxes actually affect your household budget with real numbers instead of estimates, and then decide within that first year whether to continue or withdraw and wait until your FRA. Also, since you're doing volunteer work managing a food pantry network, you might want to check if your organization offers any retirement planning resources or if there are any tax advantages related to your volunteer work that could offset some of the taxation on your Social Security benefits. Some volunteer-related expenses can be deducted if you itemize. The key is getting your actual benefit estimate from SSA and running the real numbers for your specific situation rather than relying on general rules of thumb.

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This "do over" rule is fascinating - I had no idea that option existed! That actually makes claiming at 62 feel less risky since there's potentially a way to reverse the decision if it doesn't work out as expected. Do you know if there are any restrictions on using this withdrawal option? Like, can you only do it once in your lifetime, or are there income limits that would prevent someone from being eligible? The point about volunteer-related tax deductions is also really interesting. I do have some out-of-pocket expenses for the food pantry work - mileage, supplies I purchase personally, etc. I've never itemized before since we usually take the standard deduction, but it might be worth exploring if those deductions could help offset some of the tax impact on Social Security benefits. Thanks for bringing up these options I hadn't considered! It's making me feel more confident about having multiple pathways forward rather than feeling locked into whatever decision I make initially.

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Yes, the withdrawal option (officially called "Request for Withdrawal of Application") can only be used once in your lifetime, and you must pay back every penny you received including any benefits paid to family members on your record. There's no income restriction, but you do need to be able to afford the full repayment. Regarding volunteer expenses - definitely worth exploring! The IRS allows deductions for unreimbursed expenses while volunteering for qualifying nonprofits. This includes mileage (currently 14 cents per mile for charitable driving), supplies, uniforms, and other out-of-pocket costs. Since your food pantry network is a 501c3, your expenses should qualify. Even if the total doesn't exceed the standard deduction amount when combined with other itemized deductions, it's good to track these expenses anyway for future years when your tax situation might change. Keep detailed records - mileage logs, receipts for supplies, etc. You might be surprised how much it adds up over a full year of volunteer work!

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Just wanted to add another perspective from someone who made the decision to wait! I was in a similar boat at 62 - husband still working, making good money, and I was volunteering with our local literacy program. I agonized over the same questions you're asking. I ultimately decided to wait until my FRA at 67, and I'm really glad I did. The extra 5 years gave me time to really understand all the nuances people are discussing here. Plus, when I finally did claim, my monthly benefit was about 43% higher than what it would have been at 62. The taxation issue with your husband's income is real, but here's something to consider: his income will likely be lower once he retires, which could reduce the percentage of your SS benefits subject to tax. If you wait to claim until around the same time he retires, you might avoid some of those higher tax brackets entirely. Also, I found the SSA's "my Social Security" online account invaluable for tracking my estimated benefits at different claiming ages. Much easier than trying to get through on the phone! You can create one at ssa.gov if you haven't already. Your volunteer work with the food pantries sounds incredibly meaningful - that kind of purpose can make the wait feel more worthwhile too.

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I'm so sorry to hear about your husband's diagnosis, Zainab. This must be an incredibly overwhelming and frightening time for both of you. I can't imagine the stress of trying to process his health situation while also worrying about your financial security. I'm so glad you found this community and got the reassurance you needed! Everyone here has given you absolutely correct information - with 8 years of marriage, you're well above the 9-month minimum requirement for survivor benefits. The confusion you experienced is incredibly common because there are so many different Social Security programs with different eligibility rules, and many websites don't clearly distinguish between survivor benefits (9 months) and divorced spouse benefits (10 years). What really touches me about this entire discussion is seeing how this community has provided not just accurate technical information, but genuine care and emotional support during such a difficult time. You came here with very real fears about your future, and you've received both the answers you desperately needed and so much valuable guidance about planning strategies. Please don't put pressure on yourself to master every detail about claiming strategies right now. The most important thing - confirming your eligibility for that financial safety net - has been established. You have plenty of time to learn about optimization since you won't be eligible to claim until age 60. Focus on what matters most right now: supporting each other through his treatment and taking care of your emotional well-being. You've shown incredible wisdom by planning ahead while maintaining hope for his recovery. This supportive community will clearly be here when you have future questions. Sending you both strength and hoping for the very best outcome with his treatment. You're definitely not facing this alone. ❤️

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I'm so sorry to hear about your husband's diagnosis, Zainab. This must be such a terrifying and overwhelming time for both of you. I can't even imagine trying to navigate his health challenges while also worrying about your financial future. I'm so relieved that everyone here has confirmed the wonderful news - with 8 years of marriage, you're absolutely eligible for survivor benefits! The 9-month requirement is what applies to widow benefits, not the confusing 10-year rule you were seeing online (which is only for divorced spouse benefits). It's completely understandable why you were getting conflicting information - there are so many different Social Security programs with different rules all mixed together in search results. What really stands out to me reading through this entire discussion is how this community has provided not just the technical answers you needed, but genuine compassion and support during such a difficult time. You came here with very real fears about your future security, and you've received both the reassurance you desperately needed and valuable guidance about future planning options. Please don't feel like you need to become an expert on all the claiming strategies right now. The most important question has been answered - you will have that Social Security safety net when you need it. All the optimization details can be learned later when you're actually closer to age 60 and need to make those decisions. For now, focus on what truly matters: supporting each other through his treatment and taking care of both of your emotional well-being during this incredibly stressful journey. You've shown such wisdom by planning ahead, and this amazing community will be here for any future questions. Wishing you both strength and hoping for the best possible outcome with his treatment. You're not alone in this. ❤️

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Chloe. I went through this exact situation when my uncle passed away in September. The key thing that helped me was calling SSA's automated phone system outside of peak hours - I had success calling around 7 PM on a weekday evening. The automated system can actually handle simple benefit inquiries and death notifications without needing to speak to a live person initially. When you do speak with someone, make sure to ask them to note in your father's file that you've reported the posthumous payment and are awaiting instructions for return. This creates a paper trail showing you were proactive about reporting it, which protects you if there are any delays in the return process. Also, ask the bank to place a hold or note on that specific deposit so it doesn't accidentally get mixed in with other account activity. Most banks are familiar with this situation and can flag SSA deposits separately until they receive return authorization. The whole thing took about 3 weeks for me, but having that documentation helped avoid any complications. You're handling this the right way by addressing it quickly.

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Thank you so much for the tip about calling in the evening, Simon! I hadn't thought about using off-peak hours to get through easier. That's really smart advice about asking them to note everything in my father's file too - creating that paper trail makes a lot of sense for protection. I'll definitely ask the bank to put a hold on that specific deposit when I call them. It sounds like you really thought through all the angles when you dealt with this situation. I feel much better prepared now thanks to everyone's advice here.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Chloe. I went through this exact situation when my mother passed away two years ago. The most important thing is to call SSA immediately - don't wait for them to figure it out on their own. When my mom died, I made the mistake of assuming they would automatically handle it, and it created a much bigger headache months later when they discovered the overpayment during an audit. Here's what worked for me: Call the SSA number (1-800-772-1213) first thing in the morning around 8 AM when wait times are shorter. Tell them you need to report a "posthumous benefit payment" that needs to be returned. Have your father's SSN, death date, and bank account info ready. They'll send authorization directly to the bank to return the funds. The key is getting everything documented - write down the representative's name and any reference numbers they give you. This protects you from any future complications. The whole process usually takes 1-2 weeks once you make that initial call. You're being smart by addressing this proactively rather than ignoring it.

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience and I'm sorry for your loss as well. Your point about not waiting for them to figure it out automatically really resonates - that was exactly my concern about just leaving it alone. It sounds like calling at 8 AM is the consensus from everyone here for getting through quickly. I'm definitely going to document everything carefully like you suggest. It's reassuring to hear that the 1-2 week timeline seems consistent across everyone's experiences. I really appreciate you and everyone else taking the time to help me navigate this during what's already a difficult time.

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