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Just wanted to share my recent experience as a newcomer to this community who was dealing with the exact same per diem confusion. I work for a roofing company and we've been getting $160/day for jobs over 100 miles away with no receipts required and no taxes withheld. After reading through this entire thread, I decided to get clarity on my situation using the tax analysis tool that was mentioned earlier. Uploaded my paystubs and the analysis confirmed what everyone here has been saying - my company's per diem setup doesn't meet IRS accountable plan requirements, so these payments should be treated as taxable wages. What really helped was having that detailed report to show my boss. Instead of just saying "I think we're doing this wrong," I could explain exactly what the IRS requires and suggest the federal per diem rate solution that several people mentioned. My boss actually appreciated that I brought it to his attention proactively rather than waiting for it to become a bigger problem. We're now working with our accountant to transition to a proper system. It's amazing how common this issue seems to be in construction and trades - makes me wonder how many workers are unknowingly setting themselves up for tax problems. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and solutions here!

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Zoe Papadakis

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Welcome to the community! Your proactive approach is really commendable - it takes courage to potentially rock the boat by questioning company policies, especially when it affects multiple employees. I'm glad you found this thread helpful and even better that your boss was receptive to making the necessary changes. Your experience really highlights how widespread this issue is in our industry. I've been in construction for over 15 years and have seen this misunderstanding at probably half the companies I've worked for. The fact that you came in with a solution rather than just a complaint definitely made all the difference in how your boss responded. For other newcomers reading this - Elliott's approach is exactly right. Get the facts first, understand the proper way to handle per diem, then present it as "here's how we can stay compliant and protect everyone" rather than "you're doing this wrong." Most employers genuinely want to follow the rules, they just need guidance on what those rules actually are. Hope your transition to the new system goes smoothly! It'll be worth the short-term hassle for the long-term peace of mind.

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This thread has been incredibly educational! I'm new to this community and just started working for a small HVAC company that gives us $140/day when we travel to job sites more than 60 miles away. No receipts required, and it shows up on my paystub as "travel reimbursement - non-taxable." After reading everyone's experiences here, I'm now realizing this is likely being handled incorrectly. What's particularly concerning is that I'm only 6 months into this job and already have several thousand dollars in these payments that probably should have been taxed. I really appreciate how everyone has shared both the problems AND practical solutions. The federal per diem rate system sounds like it could work perfectly for our situation since we're usually traveling to standard-cost areas where $140 would be well under the federal limits. I'm planning to approach our office manager next week with the information I've learned here. It sounds like framing it as "here's how we can ensure compliance and protect everyone" will work better than just saying we're doing something wrong. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this community is exactly what I was hoping to find for navigating these kinds of tax questions!

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Has your daughter checked with other students in her program? I'm betting they all got the same change on their 1098-Ts this year. Universities sometimes make these reporting changes across the board due to updated interpretations of IRS guidelines or changes in their financial systems. My school did something similar last year and it freaked everyone out, but it turned out to be a non-issue tax-wise.

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This is great advice. When my university changed how they reported my fellowship, I found out they had sent an email explaining the change that went to my spam folder. Might be worth having your daughter check if the university sent any communication about this change.

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Emma Thompson

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I'm a tax professional and see this situation frequently with graduate students. The key thing to understand is that the 1098-T is primarily an informational document - what matters for tax purposes is the actual nature of the payments your daughter receives, not how they're reported on this form. If her stipend is compensation for teaching or research services (which it sounds like it is), then it should be reported as taxable income regardless of whether it appears on the 1098-T. The fact that she's been correctly reporting it as income all these years means she's been doing exactly what she should. Universities often change their reporting practices due to updated guidance from the IRS, changes in accounting systems, or shifts in how they classify different types of funding. This doesn't retroactively change the tax treatment of previous years or create any problems with the IRS. I'd recommend having your daughter contact her university's financial aid office to ask about the change - they should be able to explain why they updated their reporting method. But from a tax perspective, if she continues to report the stipend as income (which she should), this change shouldn't affect her tax liability at all.

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Tami Morgan

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This is really reassuring to hear from a tax professional! I'm in my second year of a similar program and my stipend situation has been stressing me out. One follow-up question - if the university is now reporting the stipend differently on the 1098-T, should we be concerned about any discrepancies between what we report as income and what the university reports? Like, will the IRS flag it if the numbers don't match up exactly between our tax return and the 1098-T?

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Ethan Brown

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of understanding the "predominantly used" test if your business use ever drops below 50%. Even if you start at 100% business use, if your business use percentage falls below 50% in ANY year during the recovery period, you'll trigger recapture of ALL excess depreciation you claimed. This is especially important for consulting businesses where your travel patterns might change. For example, if you land a long-term client contract that requires less travel, or if you start working from home more, you could inadvertently trigger this rule. My recommendation would be to track your mileage religiously (as others have mentioned) and maybe even plan for some flexibility. If you see your business use dropping toward that 50% threshold, you might want to consider increasing business travel or potentially selling the vehicle before you hit that trigger point. The good news is that with a heavy SUV over 6,000 lbs that you're using 100% for business, you're in a great position tax-wise. Just make sure you maintain that business use percentage and keep excellent records. The IRS is particularly scrutinous of vehicle deductions, so documentation is key.

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This is really helpful - I hadn't thought about how my usage patterns might change over time. As a newcomer to business vehicle ownership, the 50% rule is definitely something I need to keep in mind. Quick question though - when you say "excess depreciation," does that mean if I drop below 50% business use, I'd have to recapture the difference between what I claimed and what I would have been allowed to claim at the lower percentage? Or is it a complete recapture of all depreciation taken? Also, for tracking purposes, is business use calculated on an annual basis or is it cumulative over the recovery period? I want to make sure I'm monitoring this correctly from the start.

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Mia Rodriguez

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Great question! When you drop below 50% business use, you have to recapture the "excess" depreciation - which is the difference between what you actually claimed and what you would have been entitled to claim using the straight-line method over the alternative depreciation system (ADS) recovery period. Since you took 100% bonus depreciation, this could be significant. If you had claimed, say, $50,000 in depreciation but would have only been allowed $10,000 under straight-line ADS, you'd recapture that $40,000 difference as ordinary income. Business use percentage is calculated annually, not cumulatively. So if you use the vehicle 100% for business in years 1-3, then drop to 40% in year 4, that year 4 drop below 50% triggers the recapture rules for all prior years' "excess" depreciation. This is why maintaining detailed annual mileage logs is so critical. You need to be able to prove your business use percentage for each tax year. I'd recommend setting calendar reminders to review your usage quarterly to make sure you're staying well above that 50% threshold throughout the recovery period.

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As someone who just joined this community and is navigating business vehicle depreciation for the first time, this thread has been incredibly educational! I purchased my first business vehicle (a pickup truck over 6,000 lbs GVW) six months ago and took the full Section 179 deduction, but I had no idea about all these recapture complexities. A couple of follow-up questions for the group: 1. If I'm required to keep detailed mileage logs, what happens if I have a few gaps in my records? Like if I forgot to log a week's worth of trips but can reconstruct them from calendar appointments and receipts? 2. For those who mentioned entity structure changes affecting recapture - does this also apply if you're a single-member LLC that gets disregarded for tax purposes but then adds a partner later? The advice about maintaining well above 50% business use is noted! I'm currently at 95% business use but want to make sure I understand all the potential pitfalls before they become expensive mistakes. Thank you all for sharing your experiences - it's saving me from learning these lessons the hard way!

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Amina Toure

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Welcome to the community! Great questions - I'm relatively new to business vehicle ownership myself and have learned a lot from this discussion. Regarding your mileage log gaps, the IRS generally wants "contemporaneous" records, but reconstructed logs can be acceptable if you have supporting documentation like calendar appointments, receipts, and invoices that corroborate the business purpose and destinations. The key is being able to demonstrate a reasonable basis for the reconstruction. I'd recommend getting into a consistent tracking habit now to avoid this issue going forward. For your single-member LLC question, adding a partner would likely convert your business from a disregarded entity to a partnership for tax purposes, which could potentially trigger depreciation recapture similar to what another member mentioned about sole prop to S-Corp conversions. The vehicle would essentially be "transferred" to the new partnership entity. You'd definitely want to consult with a tax professional before adding a partner to understand the full implications. One thing I've learned from this thread is that planning ahead is crucial with business vehicles. The tax benefits are great, but the compliance requirements and potential recapture issues can be significant if you're not careful. Keep those detailed records and maybe consider consulting with a CPA who specializes in business vehicles before making any major changes to your business structure or vehicle usage patterns!

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Natalie Chen

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I'm going through the exact same nightmare with our small marketing agency - filed our ERC claim in March 2023 for about $19,000 and we're now approaching 21 months with absolutely zero communication from the IRS. The complete lack of transparency is maddening. After reading through all these incredibly helpful responses, I'm going to implement the multi-pronged strategy that seems to be working for others: filing Form 911 with the Taxpayer Advocate Service immediately, contacting my congressional representative's office, and starting systematic documentation of every interaction (or failed attempt at interaction) with the IRS. What really strikes me about this thread is how we're all essentially having to become experts in IRS bureaucracy just to get information about our own legitimate refunds. The fact that businesses are turning to third-party services, congressional intervention, and advocacy services just to get basic status updates shows how fundamentally broken the ERC processing system has become. As a small business that kept employees during the worst economic crisis in decades, we did everything right and qualified for relief that was explicitly promised by the government. Now we're stuck in this bureaucratic black hole while the IRS apparently can't manage a program they created and promoted. I'll definitely report back on which approaches work for our situation. Thanks to everyone for sharing real, actionable solutions instead of the useless "keep calling and be patient" advice that clearly isn't working. This thread has been more helpful than months of trying to get information through official IRS channels.

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@Natalie Chen I m'so sorry you re'dealing with this too - 21 months is absolutely unconscionable for any tax refund! Your marketing agency situation sounds incredibly similar to what we re'experiencing with our family restaurant. I m'actually new to this community but have been following this thread closely because we re'in month 18 of waiting for our $32K ERC refund. Reading everyone s'experiences has been both eye-opening and infuriating - it s'clear this isn t'just a few isolated cases but a massive systemic failure by the IRS. Your point about having to become IRS bureaucracy experts just to get basic information really hits home. We shouldn t'need to crowdsource solutions and workarounds just to track our own legitimate refunds! The fact that congressional intervention and taxpayer advocacy services are becoming necessary for routine tax matters shows how broken this system has become. I m'planning to follow the same multi-pronged approach you mentioned - Form 911, congressional office contact, and better documentation. It s'encouraging to see so many business owners here sharing what actually works versus the standard call "and wait advice" that clearly doesn t'function anymore. Please keep us updated on your progress! Every success story helps other small businesses know which strategies are worth pursuing. We re'all in this frustrating situation together, and sharing real solutions seems to be our best hope for getting the relief we legitimately qualified for. Thanks for adding your voice to this discussion - the more we document these experiences, the clearer it becomes that the IRS needs to be held accountable for this processing disaster.

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Ethan Brown

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I'm going through the exact same frustrating experience with our small accounting firm's ERC claim. We filed in September 2023 for around $41,000 and are now at 19 months with zero communication from the IRS. The complete lack of transparency is absolutely maddening. After reading through all these incredibly helpful responses, I'm planning to take immediate action using the strategies that seem to be working: filing Form 911 with the Taxpayer Advocate Service today, reaching out to my representative's office this week, and implementing the systematic documentation approach that @Amara Torres suggested with a detailed spreadsheet of every interaction attempt. What really frustrates me is that we did everything by the book - qualified legitimately, kept our staff employed during the worst of COVID, filed through a reputable CPA, and now we're being penalized by the IRS's complete inability to process claims in any reasonable timeframe. Small businesses like ours operated on good faith that the government would deliver on these promised programs. The fact that so many of us are sharing identical nightmare experiences really demonstrates this is a massive systemic failure, not isolated incidents. We shouldn't need to become amateur IRS investigators or rely on congressional intervention just to get basic information about our own legitimate refunds. I'll definitely update everyone on which approaches work for our situation. This thread has been more valuable than months of attempting to get information through official IRS channels. Thanks to everyone for sharing real, actionable solutions - it gives me hope that we can eventually get the relief we rightfully earned.

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H&R Block Business 2024 "unexpected error and needs to close" when importing

Been pulling my hair out trying to get H&R Block Business 2024 working properly. Finally got the latest update (Feb 2nd) and it's working now, but wanted to share my nightmare in case anyone else runs into this. Initially got the annoying "database not available, please close other software" error which is totally misleading - it's actually a permissions issue. So I ran as Administrator which got me past that hurdle. But then when trying to import my 2023 Business return, it would get through the rollover process, start loading the converted return, and BAM - "The program has encountered an unexpected error and needs to close" appears out of nowhere. The error details showed: ``` Error: Object reference not set to an instance of an object. Session Summary Information: Date/Time: 2/9/2025 1:32:54 PM ApplicationVersion: 24.0.9039.27730 CommandLine: "C:\Program Files (x86)\H&R Block Business\H&R Block Business 2024\HRB.Business.exe" CurrentCultureName: en-US CurrentUICultureName: en-US DnsDomainName: Duration: 00:00:30.0649806 HostName: battlestation MemoryMB: 20295 OSArchitecture: Amd64 OSCultureName: en-US OSFullNameWithServicePack: Windows 11 OSVersion: 11.0.26210 ProcessorCores: 10 RuntimeVersion: 4.0.30319.42000 TerminalServer: False System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object. ``` Why do they keep releasing such buggy software? I went through similar headaches when upgrading from Win10 to Win11 last year. Honestly wish they'd rewrite this program from scratch!

Lucas Lindsey

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm incredibly grateful to have found this comprehensive thread! I just encountered the exact same "Object reference not set to an instance of an object" error this afternoon while attempting to import my 2023 LLC return into H&R Block Business 2024. After spending hours on the phone with H&R Block support (getting nowhere with their standard "restart and reinstall" responses), discovering this community discussion feels like finding a goldmine of actual solutions. The detailed troubleshooting approaches shared by @QuantumLeap, @Maya, and others are exactly what I needed to see. I'm particularly interested in the Feb 2nd update that resolved the issue for @Emma and several others. It's encouraging to know there's an official fix available, though I wish H&R Block had been more proactive about notifying users about this critical update. I'm also planning to try the Windows Event Viewer diagnostic approach that @Maya suggested - it never occurred to me to look there for additional error details beyond H&R Block's generic crash dialog. The section-by-section import strategy sounds like a smart fallback plan if the update doesn't completely resolve my LLC import issues. Has anyone had success with the compatibility mode approach specifically for LLC returns? My return includes some complex partnership distributions that might be contributing to the crash, and I'm wondering if running in Windows 10 compatibility mode could provide additional stability during the import process. Thank you all for creating such a valuable resource for those of us struggling with these import errors. This community support is genuinely better than what we're getting from the software company itself!

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Omar Fawaz

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Welcome to the community, @Lucas! You've definitely found the right thread for H&R Block Business 2024 troubleshooting. Your frustration with their standard support responses is completely understandable - it's clear from this discussion that the community has developed far better solutions than what official support typically provides. Regarding compatibility mode for LLC returns, I haven't seen specific mentions of LLC-only testing, but @QuantumLeap's original suggestion about trying Windows 8 or 10 compatibility mode seems to help across different entity types. Given that your return includes complex partnership distributions, you might be dealing with the same types of calculation issues that @Ella mentioned with international forms - the software seems to struggle when processing non-standard data formats. Your plan to start with the Feb 2nd update is definitely the right approach. If you still have issues after that, the Windows Event Viewer check from @Maya could be particularly valuable for LLC returns with partnership components, since those often involve more complex data structures that could reveal specific error patterns. The section-by-section import approach might work really well for your situation too - you could try importing the basic LLC information first, then add the partnership distribution schedules separately to isolate any problematic sections. Hope the update resolves your import issues! This community has been amazing for sharing real-world solutions during what's already a stressful time of year.

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Nia Watson

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm so relieved to have found this thread! I'm dealing with the exact same "Object reference not set to an instance of an object" error when trying to import my 2023 business return into H&R Block Business 2024. What's really frustrating is that I'm a small business owner who switched from doing my own taxes to using professional software for the first time this year, and now I'm spending more time troubleshooting than actually working on my return. The timing couldn't be worse with tax deadlines approaching. I'm definitely going to try the Feb 2nd update that fixed the issue for @Emma and others. It's reassuring to see so many people had success with that specific update. If that doesn't work, I'll follow @Maya's advice about checking the Windows Event Viewer for more detailed error information. The community support in this thread is incredible - you've all provided more useful troubleshooting guidance in one discussion than I got from hours of searching H&R Block's official support resources. It's clear that real users sharing their actual experiences is far more valuable than generic tech support responses. Has anyone noticed if this error is more common with first-time imports versus people who have been using H&R Block Business for multiple years? I'm wondering if there's something about the initial setup or data conversion process that makes new users more susceptible to these crashes. Thank you all for sharing your solutions - this gives me hope that I can actually get through this tax season without having to start over with different software!

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Welcome to the community, @Nia! Your situation as a first-time H&R Block Business user dealing with this import error is particularly frustrating - you shouldn't have to become a software troubleshooter just to file your taxes! To answer your question about first-time imports versus experienced users, I haven't seen specific data on this, but from reading through this thread, it seems like the "Object reference" error affects both new and returning users. However, experienced users like @Maya and @QuantumLeap seem to have developed workarounds over the years, while newcomers like us are hitting these issues without the benefit of that accumulated troubleshooting knowledge. Your plan to start with the Feb 2nd update is definitely the right approach - that's been the most consistently successful solution across different user situations in this thread. The Windows Event Viewer check from @Maya is also great advice since it can reveal the actual technical issue beyond H&R Block's generic error message. Don't give up on the software just yet! The fact that the Feb update resolved it for so many people suggests these are fixable issues rather than fundamental problems. This community has shown that with the right troubleshooting steps, most people can get their imports working. You're absolutely right that this community support has been invaluable - it's amazing how much more helpful real user experiences are compared to official support channels. Hang in there, and definitely let us know how the update works for your return!

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