
IRS
CommunityGovernment Services


Ask the community...
I'm in a bit of a pickle and hoping someone here can help me out. I run a small business (single-member LLC that's taxed as an S-corp) and I've been swamped with client work all year. Because of how crazy things got, I had to file an extension for my 2022 personal taxes, so my deadline is coming up in October. Here's my situation - I haven't maxed out my 401(k) contributions for 2022 yet, and I'm wondering if I can still make additional contributions before I file my extended return? I know there are usually deadlines for this stuff, but since I haven't actually filed yet, is there a loophole that would let me still contribute and get the tax benefit for 2022? I really want to maximize my retirement savings and minimize my tax bill if possible. Any advice from folks who've dealt with this before would be super helpful!
I'm really confused about our tax withholding situation. My income is $295K and my spouse makes about $470K annually. We always file jointly as married, but on both of our W4 forms, we've selected single with 0 federal and 0 state withholding. Based on our combined income, we should be in the 35% tax bracket. The problem is that my employer only seems to be withholding about 20% for federal taxes, and my spouse's employer is only taking out around 25%. After doing some calculations, it looks like we're going to end up owing around $11K to the IRS next year! I'm totally confused by this. I always thought that if you put single/zero/zero on your W4, your employer would withhold the maximum amount possible. Is this not accurate? Are our employers making some kind of mistake with our withholdings? I know I could revise the W4 to request a specific additional amount (like asking them to withhold an extra $500 per paycheck), but I'd really prefer they just withhold the correct amount from the beginning without my intervention. To clarify my question โ if both my wife and I have our W4s set to single/zero/zero, how is it even possible that we would owe anything, let alone $11K? This is our only source of income. I was under the impression that single/zero/zero meant we'd basically break even at tax time, neither owing money nor getting a refund. What am I missing here?
Just to add another perspective - you might want to consider whether you actually WANT to withhold exactly the right amount. My spouse and I are in a similar income bracket (about $800k combined) and we actually prefer to slightly underwithhold and make quarterly estimated tax payments instead. The advantage is we keep control of that money throughout the year rather than giving the government an interest-free loan. We put the money that would have been withheld into a high-yield account, and then make the required quarterly payments to avoid penalties. As long as you pay in at least 100% of your previous year's tax liability through withholding and estimated payments (or 110% if your AGI was over $150k), you won't face any underpayment penalties.
That's an interesting approach I hadn't considered! About how much do you typically underwithhold? And do you just make equal quarterly payments, or is there some calculation involved? I'm intrigued by the idea of having more control over our money throughout the year.
We typically underwithhold by about 15% of our total expected tax liability. For someone in your situation, that might mean underwithholding by around $30,000 total for the year, or $2,500 monthly that stays in your accounts instead of going to the IRS. The quarterly payments don't have to be equal if your income fluctuates, but we keep it simple and just divide our expected shortfall by 4. The payment due dates are April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year. You can make them online at the IRS website using Direct Pay or EFTPS. Just make sure you're meeting that safe harbor of 110% of your previous year's tax liability (since you're over the $150k AGI threshold). That's the easiest way to guarantee no penalties regardless of this year's actual liability.
Has anyone used the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator for this situation? I tried using it but felt like I was still guessing at some of the inputs. Our income is close to OP's and we have the same problem every year!
I use it all the time and find it really accurate, but it's crucial that you include ALL income sources, not just your W-2 jobs. Make sure you're entering things like investment income, rental properties, etc. The other key is to update it quarterly since your situation might change throughout the year.
So I've been helping my cousin who's going through a tough financial patch this year. He's working two jobs and still ended up owing about $7,900 in taxes that he just can't pay in full right now. I suggested he set up a payment plan with the IRS since that seemed like the obvious solution. I've heard they're pretty reasonable about this stuff as long as you're proactive. Well, he called me yesterday super stressed because he said when he finally got through to an IRS agent, they told him the IRS "doesn't offer installment plans for amounts under $10,000." That makes zero sense to me! I've been searching the IRS website and can't find anything about a minimum amount needed for an installment plan. Actually, everything I've read suggests smaller amounts are EASIER to set up payment plans for, not impossible. Has anyone else run into this? I'm wondering if the agent was confused or if my cousin misunderstood something. He's pretty overwhelmed right now so that's definitely possible. But if this is actually an IRS policy, it seems like it would leave a lot of people with smaller tax debts in a really bad spot. Any advice would be super appreciated!
Just to add another data point - I went through this exact situation last year. Owed about $5,800 and set up an installment plan with zero issues. The confusion might be about the different TYPES of installment plans. For amounts under $10,000, you qualify for a "guaranteed" installment agreement which is actually easier to get than plans for higher amounts. For amounts over $10K but under $50K, there's a "streamlined" installment plan which requires a bit more information but is still pretty straightforward. The agent your cousin spoke to might have been referring to some other program, or maybe was talking about an "offer in compromise" which is totally different - that's when you negotiate to pay less than the full amount owed.
Do you remember what the monthly payment amount was for your $5,800 balance? I'm trying to figure out if they let you choose how much to pay each month or if they assign an amount.
You generally can choose your monthly payment amount as long as the debt will be paid off within the required timeframe. For amounts under $10,000, that timeframe is 3 years (36 months). So in my case, the minimum payment would have been about $161 per month not including interest and penalties. I actually opted to pay $200 per month to account for the ongoing interest and penalties and to clear the debt faster. They let me choose this amount during the application process. I set up direct debit from my checking account to avoid having to remember to make the payments and to get the lowest setup fee.
One important thing to note - if your cousin owes for the 2023 tax year and hasn't filed yet, he should still file by the deadline even if he can't pay everything! The failure-to-file penalty is much worse than the failure-to-pay penalty. Also, I'd recommend having him call back and speak to a different agent, or trying the online payment agreement system at irs.gov directly. The online system is actually pretty easy to use for amounts under $10K.
Completely agree about filing on time! The failure-to-file penalty is 5% of the unpaid taxes for each month your return is late, up to 25%. The failure-to-pay penalty is much lower at 0.5% per month.
Title: Can I deduct unpaid client invoices as self-employed without an LLC? 1 I did some freelance graphic design work for a startup last year and ran into a major issue. They only paid me $7,200 of the $12,500 they owed me for a big website redesign project. Now they've completely gone bankrupt and shut down operations, so I have zero chance of ever seeing that remaining $5,300. This was basically my only significant income for the entire year as I was focusing on building my portfolio with this client. I don't have an LLC or anything formal set up - just did this as independent work. Is there any way I can write off or deduct that unpaid amount when I file my taxes? I've never dealt with bad debt before and I'm not sure if there's any tax benefit I can claim since I'm not a formal business. Any advice would be appreciated!
4 You might want to look into claiming this as a business bad debt on Form 8949. I'm not an accountant, but I had to write off some unpaid invoices a couple years ago. The key distinction is whether you provided services (which it sounds like you did) or if you loaned money. Different rules apply to each situation.
12 Thanks for the suggestion! Would I need any special documentation to prove I actually tried to collect the debt? I have the original contract, all my invoices, and email threads showing I tried to get paid multiple times.
4 Yes, documentation is critical. Keep your original contract, all invoices sent, and especially any communications showing you attempted to collect payment. Also document how you determined the company was bankrupt and the debt uncollectible - like news articles about their shutdown, bankruptcy filings, or bounced emails to company addresses. Form 8949 is typically used for capital losses, but business bad debts can sometimes be reported as short-term capital losses. However, this really depends on your specific situation and whether you're using cash or accrual accounting.
16 Wait, wouldn't this qualify as a 1099 situation? If they paid you $7,200, they should have sent you a 1099-NEC if it was over $600. Did you receive that form? Cause that affects how you report this whole thing.
I'm looking for the ideal receipt logging application for my phone. I've been running my small consulting business for about 2 years now and still haven't found a good system for tracking receipts and expenses. I've read a bunch of reviews online but they all seem suspiciously positive like they're being paid to promote certain apps. My accountant keeps telling me I need better records for tax time because last year was a mess with missing receipts and I probably missed out on some deductions. I need something that lets me quickly snap photos of receipts when I'm out with clients, categorize them easily, and maybe export reports for tax filing. Currently I just have a shoebox full of crumpled receipts and photos scattered across my phone gallery. Does anyone have recommendations for receipt apps that actually work well for small business owners? Bonus points if it integrates with any tax software or has features specifically for Schedule C documentation. Thanks!
Have you looked into Wave Receipts? It's free and does a decent job for basic receipt tracking. I've been using it for my Etsy business for about a year. Not super fancy but gets the job done if you don't need all the bells and whistles.
Yes, you can export expense reports as PDFs or spreadsheets that work well for tax filing. The reports show all the transaction details and categories that match up with Schedule C. You can also generate specific date range reports, like quarterly or annual. The only limitation I've found is that the automatic categorization isn't always perfect, so I do have to go in and correct some entries occasionally. But for a free tool, it's pretty solid and has saved me tons of time compared to my old method of manually tracking everything in spreadsheets.
Whatever app you choose, make sure it backs up your data! I used a receipt app last year (can't remember the name) and it crashed/reset, losing 3 months of receipts. My tax preparer was NOT happy and I probably missed out on like $2k in deductions. Now I use one that syncs to my cloud storage automatically.
Grace Durand
For your S-corp situation, don't forget you might still be able to set up and fund a SEP IRA for 2022 if you didn't already max out other retirement contributions. The deadline for SEP IRA creation and funding is your tax filing deadline including extensions, so you should still have time. You could contribute up to 25% of your net self-employment income (with some calculation adjustments) or $61,000 for 2022, whichever is less. Might be worth looking into if you have the cash flow and want to reduce your 2022 tax bill!
0 coins
Emma Swift
AuthorThat's really helpful! Do you know if I can have both a Solo 401k and a SEP IRA for the same business? And does the contribution limit apply across both plans or separately?
0 coins
Grace Durand
You can have both types of plans, but the contribution limits overlap - they're not separate. The total combined employer contributions across all defined contribution plans (401k, SEP IRA, etc.) can't exceed the annual limit ($61,000 for 2022 or $67,500 if you're eligible for catch-up contributions). If you've already made employer contributions to your Solo 401k for 2022, you'd need to subtract those from the maximum SEP IRA contribution you could make. It gets complicated quickly, which is why having a tax pro run the numbers is usually worth it. The key advantage is that you can still set up and fund a SEP IRA now for 2022, whereas the Solo 401k needed to be established by Dec 31, 2022.
0 coins
Steven Adams
Has anyone switched from an S-corp to a C-corp for better retirement options? My accountant suggested I might be better off switching my entity type next year.
0 coins
Alice Fleming
I did this last year. C-corps have some advantages for retirement planning (like the ability to create defined benefit plans with much higher contribution limits), but the tax situation gets WAY more complicated. You're looking at potential double taxation issues that can offset the retirement benefits.
0 coins