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We've been housing a 20-year-old college student since she turned 18. She's not related to us but has been living in our home whenever she's not at her college campus. In 2023, she commuted to school for spring semester and lived with us for about 8-9 months total. We provide her with food and shelter at no cost, though she buys her own clothing. Her mail comes to our address. She's completely estranged from her mother (who she hasn't lived with since 2021) and doesn't know her father. Her mother still keeps her on medical insurance but kicked her off the car insurance. I suspect her mother still claims her as a dependent despite their estrangement. The student files her FAFSA as some type of unaccompanied youth since her mother refuses to complete the FAFSA forms. Can we legally claim her as a dependent on our tax return? My husband and I file pretty simple returns with standard deductions, so I'm not worried if this triggered an IRS review. The student would have no objection to us claiming her (I'd definitely ask first), and honestly wouldn't mind if her mother got in trouble for falsely claiming her these past couple years. Any tax advice would be really helpful!
So I'm in a bit of a pickle and feeling kinda stupid for asking, but my gf still hasn't filed her taxes from this year. We're already way past the deadline and I've heard mixed things about what happens next. Someone told me that if you don't actually owe the IRS any money, then you won't get hit with penalty fees - is there any truth to that? We're trying to figure out if we should just bite the bullet and go to a place like Jackson Hewitt to get everything sorted out now, or if we should just wait until next tax season rolls around. She's pretty sure she's getting a refund based on her withholdings, if that matters. Any advice would be super appreciated!
Friendly reminder that if your girlfriend is expecting a refund, she should file ASAP! I procrastinated on filing my 2022 taxes until last year, and I missed out on almost $2000 in refunds because I crossed the 3-year deadline. Don't make the same mistake!
Oh crap, I had no idea there was a 3-year deadline on refunds! That's really good to know. Do you think we should use a tax service like Jackson Hewitt at this point or just try to do it ourselves with tax software?
For a simple tax situation, tax software should work fine and save you money compared to Jackson Hewitt. Something like TurboTax or FreeTaxUSA can handle late filings easily. If her taxes are more complicated (self-employment, multiple income sources, investments, etc.), then a professional service might be worth the cost. They sometimes catch deductions or credits you might miss on your own. But for basic W-2 income, the software should be more than adequate and much cheaper.
Just want to add - if she's getting a refund, the government has literally been holding her money interest-free this whole time. File now and get that cash back in her pocket!
Hey everyone, I'm getting married next month and I'm totally lost when it comes to how our taxes will work after we tie the knot. When I try using those online tax calculators and select "married filing jointly," I notice some weird differences compared to when I file as single. Some calculators show we'll pay less in taxes, while others show we might pay more? I've heard about this "marriage penalty" thing but then others talk about marriage benefits for taxes. My fiancΓ©e makes about $65,000 and I make around $78,000 if that matters. We're planning to buy a house together next year too, so I'm wondering how that factors in with deductions and stuff. Does filing jointly automatically make sense for us? Are there situations where we should consider filing separately even though we're married? Sorry if these are dumb questions. I've always just used TurboTax and clicked through without really understanding what was happening. Now that we're combining finances, I want to actually understand this stuff.
One important thing nobody's mentioned yet - if you file jointly, you're BOTH responsible for the entire tax bill and any potential errors on the return. Sometimes filing separately makes sense if one spouse has sketchy tax situations, tons of self-employment income with questionable deductions, or past tax problems. Also, if either of you has income-based student loan payments, filing jointly might increase those payments since they'll be based on your combined income. Something to consider if you or your fiancΓ©e has significant student debt.
What about medical expense deductions? My husband has a lot of medical costs but I don't. Does filing jointly or separately matter for that?
Medical expense deductions are definitely impacted by filing status. For 2025, you can only deduct medical expenses that exceed 7.5% of your adjusted gross income (AGI). If you file separately, only your husband's medical expenses and AGI would be considered for his return. Here's a simple example: If your husband's AGI is $40,000 with $10,000 in medical expenses, and yours is $80,000 with minimal medical expenses, filing separately would let him deduct anything over $3,000 (7.5% of $40,000). So he could deduct $7,000. But filing jointly with a combined AGI of $120,000 means you'd only deduct expenses over $9,000 (7.5% of $120,000), reducing your deduction to just $1,000. In cases with large medical expenses, running calculations both ways is definitely worth it.
Does anyone know if paying for TurboTax is worth it when you're married? The free version doesn't let you itemize deductions which seems important for homeowners, but the paid versions are like $100+. Are there better options for couples who want to make sure they're making the right filing choice?
I've used FreeTaxUSA for the last few years - it's free for federal and like $15 for state. It handles all the married filing jointly stuff perfectly and lets you compare filing jointly vs separately to see which saves more. WAY cheaper than TurboTax and does basically everything the paid version does.
My wife and I are legal permanent residents in the US. Her mother visits us from Australia for extended periods throughout the year - she was with us for about 9 months total in 2024. She's not a US resident (still an Australian citizen) and doesn't work at all while she's here. We completely support her financially - paying for all her food, medical expenses, transportation, everything. I'm wondering if we can list her as a dependent on our tax return for the upcoming filing season? I'm guessing we'd need to get her an ITIN since she doesn't have a social security number? Any advice would be super helpful since we're trying to plan ahead for our 2024 taxes!
Something nobody's mentioned yet - if your mother-in-law is from Canada, check if there's a tax treaty that might affect this situation. Some treaties have specific provisions about dependents and what counts as "residency" for tax purposes.
Do you know where I can find info about tax treaties? My in-laws are from India and I've wondered about this too.
You can find tax treaties on the IRS website - search for "United States Income Tax Treaties A to Z" and you'll find a list of all countries with treaties. For more detailed information, look for IRS Publication 901 (U.S. Tax Treaties). For India specifically, there is a tax treaty, but dependency rules are complex. The treaty mainly covers things like double taxation of income, but personal exemptions and dependent status are usually determined by the regular IRS rules I mentioned earlier.
If the mother visits from Canada for 8 months, wouldn't she technically be considered a US resident under the substantial presence test? That might change things completely.
I recently became the sole beneficiary of my former spouse's company pension after her unexpected passing. After exploring my options, I decided to roll these funds into my existing 401K. However, since we were divorced before her death, I feel a moral obligation to transfer these funds to her only living relative - her adult brother. I'm a US citizen currently living overseas in a country with a strong tax treaty with the US. I've been considering several approaches to handle this situation: Option 1: Keep everything invested in my 401K and distribute it to her brother when I retire. This feels too prolonged since I'm only 37 and don't plan to retire for decades. Option 2: Take a lump sum withdrawal now, pay the early withdrawal penalty (10%) plus income taxes (likely 22-32%), then subtract those costs from the total and transfer the remaining amount to him over 2-3 years to avoid hitting gift tax thresholds. This would get the money to him faster but seems like a tax disaster. Option 3: Set up a payment plan and send him monthly installments over 10 years until the full amount is transferred. This feels unnecessarily drawn out and complicated to manage. I'm wondering if there's a better approach I'm missing? Maybe a 4th option? If he has his own 401K, is there any way I could execute a direct rollover from my account to his without triggering penalties or tax consequences for either of us?
Have you looked into a disclaimer? In some cases, you can execute a qualified disclaimer of inheritance, which essentially says "I don't want this money" and it passes to the next eligible recipient. This has to be done within 9 months of death, and you can't have "accepted" the benefit (which might be an issue if you've already rolled it into your 401K). If the rollover is recent, talk to the plan administrator about possibly unwinding it, then execute a disclaimer. This might allow the money to go directly to her brother without passing through you.
I think I've already missed that window since it's been about 11 months since her passing, and as you mentioned, I've already completed the rollover into my 401K. I feel like I should have researched this better before making the initial decision, but I was dealing with a lot emotionally and just followed what the HR person at her company suggested.
That's understandable - these decisions often need to be made during difficult emotional times. Since the disclaimer option is no longer available, your best approach now is probably a combination strategy: First, designate her brother as the beneficiary for that portion of your 401K, ensuring he'll receive it if something happens to you. Then, work out a yearly gifting strategy once you're eligible for qualified distributions without penalties. You might also consult with an attorney about creating a simple agreement documenting your intentions, which could help clarify things for your own estate planning. Don't be too hard on yourself - you're trying to do the right thing in a system that doesn't make it easy.
Check if your 401K plan allows for hardship withdrawals or loans. You could potentially take a loan from your 401K (typically up to 50% of the balance or $50,000, whichever is less), then use those funds to gift to the brother without the early withdrawal penalty. You'd have to repay the loan with interest, but the interest goes back into your account so you're essentially paying yourself.
Matthew Sanchez
Just to add another perspective - my wife and I were in almost the identical situation with my wife's younger cousin who lived with us throughout college. We provided housing, food, utilities, etc. while she was responsible for her own tuition (through loans) and personal expenses. We claimed her as a qualifying relative for two years with no issues. The key factors were: 1) She lived with us for more than half the year (college housing counted as temporary absence), 2) We provided more than half her total support, 3) Her income was under the threshold, and 4) Her parents weren't claiming her. Make sure you document everything though! Keep receipts for major expenses, utility bills showing your address as her residence, maybe even a written statement from her confirming the living arrangement. We didn't need any of this documentation, but better safe than sorry.
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Oscar Murphy
AuthorThis is really helpful! How did you calculate the value of housing and food to determine that you provided more than half her support? I'm trying to figure out how to quantify that properly.
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Matthew Sanchez
For housing, I used the fair rental value of the room she stayed in (looked at comparable rooms for rent in our area) plus a percentage of utilities based on our household size. For food, I tracked grocery expenses for a couple months and calculated her portion based on that. I also included car insurance since we added her to our policy, cell phone costs since she was on our family plan, and medical expenses we covered. For her part of the support equation, I included her earnings from her part-time job, scholarships that covered room and board (not tuition), and any other financial help she received. The IRS has a worksheet in Publication 501 that helps with this calculation. The key is being able to show that your contribution exceeded 50% of her total support from all sources. In our case, the housing value alone was significant enough to clearly demonstrate we provided most of her support.
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Ella Thompson
Has anyone used TurboTax to claim a non-relative dependent? I'm tryin to do this exact thing but the software keeps asking for a relationship and none of the options fit. Do I just pick "other dependent"??
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JacksonHarris
On TurboTax you should select "Other" when it asks for the relationship. Then when it asks if this person lived with you all year, select "Yes" (assuming they did, or if they were away at college but your home was their main residence). There's also a section where it will ask you to verify that you provided more than half their support.
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