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Zara Ahmed

Concerned about how to properly handle Married Filing Separately in our community property state

Hey everyone, I need some advice about how my wife and I filed our taxes this year. We're in a community property state and have been married for about 10 years now. The situation: My spouse has student loans from before our marriage and is working through the PSLF program with income-based payments. To keep her payments manageable, we've been filing separately. Last year was our first time filing separately. We went to one of those big tax preparation chains, and they made it pretty straightforward. My wife claimed our kid, and everything went smoothly. This year though, things got confusing. My wife used one of those free filing websites recommended by the IRS. During the process, she filled out Form 8958 but only included her own income and withholdings on it. Her return looks basically the same as last year's. When I went to the same tax chain we used before, the preparer did something completely different. They took both our incomes and withholdings, split everything 50/50, and said that's how it should be done in a community property state. But this approach makes my return look totally different from last year's. My wife says she's not changing her return since it's already filed. When I asked the preparer about amending mine to match my wife's approach, they said, "The way we did it is correct, but we'll file however you want." I really don't want any problems with the IRS. Should I: 1. Leave my return as the preparer did it (splitting our income 50/50), even though it's different from my wife's approach and different from last year 2. Amend my return to match my wife's approach (only reporting my income), which would increase my refund and be consistent with last year I'm really confused about the right way to handle community property for married filing separately. Help!

Luca Conti

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You're in a tricky spot that's actually very common in community property states. Here's what you need to understand: In community property states, the law typically requires that you split most income earned during the marriage 50/50 between spouses, regardless of who actually earned it. This applies even when you're filing separately. That's why Form 8958 exists - it's the form used to allocate community income between spouses. The tax chain preparer is technically correct about how community property should be reported. Each spouse should report half of the community income and withholding on their own return. This is true even for PSLF purposes. However, what complicates your situation is that you've already filed inconsistently last year, and your wife has filed inconsistently this year. The IRS might flag the mismatch between your returns, as they expect married couples in community property states to report consistent allocations. Your safest approach would be for your wife to amend her return to properly split the community income. If she's unwilling, then you should consider matching her approach for consistency, even though it's technically not correct under community property laws. The inconsistency between your returns creates a higher risk of questions from the IRS than both using the same incorrect method.

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Nia Johnson

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So does this mean they've basically been filing incorrectly for PSLF purposes? Won't the Department of Education catch this eventually when they verify income? Also, wouldn't filing the "technically incorrect" way be considered tax fraud?

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Luca Conti

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For PSLF purposes, the Department of Education generally uses your AGI as reported on your tax return. While they could theoretically discover inconsistencies, they typically don't cross-reference with the IRS to verify if community property laws were properly applied. They mostly just look at the final AGI number on your return. While it's important to file taxes correctly, what we're discussing is more of a compliance issue than fraud. Fraud implies intentional deception, and this sounds more like confusion about complex rules. That said, consistently following incorrect procedures after being informed of the proper method could potentially cross into willful noncompliance territory. Your best protection is to make a good faith effort to comply with tax laws, which might mean having a serious conversation with your spouse about the need to correct her approach going forward.

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CyberNinja

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Mateo Lopez

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Carmen Ortiz

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I'm also in a community property state (Arizona) and had this exact issue with my husband. Here's what we found out after consulting with a CPA who specializes in this area: 1. For community property states, the legally correct way is indeed to split all community income 50/50 on Form 8958 2. For PSLF purposes, this often creates a problem because even though you're filing separately, your spouse's income effectively gets counted in your AGI 3. Some tax preparers (especially chain preparers) don't understand these special rules well What we ultimately did was hire a CPA who specialized in student loan issues to help us identify which of our income was truly separate property vs. community property. There were actually several things we could legally classify as separate property, which helped minimize the impact. Whatever you decide, just make sure both returns are consistent with each other. The biggest red flag for the IRS is when spouses in community property states report inconsistently on MFS returns.

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Zara Ahmed

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Thank you for sharing! Did you and your spouse both use the same CPA so they could coordinate both of your returns? And did you have any issues with previous years where you might have filed inconsistently?

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Carmen Ortiz

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Yes, we definitely used the same CPA for both returns to ensure consistency. That was key to making sure our community property allocations matched up perfectly. Regarding previous years, we had indeed filed inconsistently for two years (similar to your situation). Our CPA advised that we could either amend those previous returns or simply start filing correctly going forward. Since the difference in our case wasn't enormous and we hadn't been audited, we chose to just file correctly going forward rather than opening up old returns. The CPA mentioned that the statute of limitations for most returns is 3 years, so after that time passes, your risk decreases significantly.

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MidnightRider

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Speaking from personal experience in Texas (another community property state), you really need to be careful here. My wife and I did something similar - she reported only her income, I reported only mine - and we got letters from the IRS about two years later. We ended up having to amend both returns and pay some penalties and interest. The IRS specifically cited our failure to properly allocate community income on Form 8958. If I were you, I'd strongly consider: 1. Having your wife amend her return to properly split community income 2. Filing your return correctly (as the preparer suggests) 3. At minimum, making sure both returns use the SAME methodology The inconsistency between your returns is more likely to trigger questions than both of you doing it the same way, even if that way isn't technically correct.

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Andre Laurent

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How much were the penalties? Was it worth the savings you got on the student loans during that time or did it completely wipe that out?

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