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I had a similar situation with my husband's 401k last year. For the BP code, I needed to manually tell TurboTax that the taxable amount was $0. Here's what I did: In TurboTax, after entering the 1099-R information, there should be an option to "Review" the entry. Within that review screen, there's a way to override the taxable amount. I had to dig around a bit, but it was something like "Edit" or "Override" next to the taxable amount field. For your second 1099-R with the 8B code, the earnings should indeed be taxable in 2021, so TurboTax is handling that correctly at least.
Thank you for the specific TurboTax guidance! I found the override option exactly where you described. After adjusting it, my tax calculation looks much more reasonable now. One more question - did you have to file any additional forms to explain the override, or did TurboTax handle that automatically?
TurboTax handled the override automatically without requiring additional forms. The software does add a note to your return that explains the override, which is actually helpful in case of an audit. Just make sure to keep copies of both 1099-Rs and any documentation that came with the distribution explaining the excess contribution correction. That paperwork is your proof if the IRS ever questions the override.
The people saying you don't need to amend your 2020 return are correct. For Roth 401k excess contributions, the correction is handled in the distribution year (2021). For anyone else dealing with this: distribution codes are crucial for understanding tax treatment: - BP = Roth contribution being returned (not taxable) - 8B = Earnings on those excess contributions (taxable) If your tax software doesn't handle this correctly, switch software! I've found FreeTaxUSA handles these retirement distribution codes much better than TurboTax for complex situations.
Does FreeTaxUSA handle state returns well too? I've been considering switching from TurboTax due to their constant price increases.
Yes, FreeTaxUSA handles state returns quite well! They charge a small fee for state filing (much less than TurboTax), but federal filing is completely free regardless of complexity. I switched three years ago and haven't looked back. For retirement distribution issues like this, their interface explicitly asks about each distribution code and automatically applies the correct tax treatment. For something like a BP code, it immediately marks it as non-taxable without requiring manual overrides.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - since you're becoming a 1099, you'll need to make estimated quarterly tax payments. This was the biggest shock to me when I switched to contracting. You'll need to pay taxes four times a year (Apr 15, Jun 15, Sep 15, Jan 15) instead of having them withheld from each paycheck. If you don't, you could face underpayment penalties. Given your income level, you should definitely look into an S-Corp election once you've been doing this for a while. At $105k, you could potentially save thousands by taking part of your income as distributions instead of all as self-employment income.
Can you explain more about the S-Corp thing? I'm in a similar situation to OP and keep hearing about S-Corps but don't really understand the benefit.
Sure! With an S-Corp, you pay yourself a "reasonable salary" that's subject to self-employment tax (the 15.3% for Social Security and Medicare). Then you can take the rest of your profit as distributions, which aren't subject to self-employment tax. For example, if your business makes $105k, you might pay yourself a salary of $65k (which would be subject to self-employment tax) and take $40k as distributions (which would only be subject to income tax, not self-employment tax). This could save you about $6,120 in self-employment taxes (15.3% of $40k). The key is that your salary must be "reasonable" for your industry and role - you can't just pay yourself $20k and take $85k as distributions. There are also additional costs like increased accounting fees and payroll processing. Generally makes sense once you're earning over $80-100k consistently.
Don't overlook the QBI deduction (Qualified Business Income) - as a 1099 contractor you can deduct up to 20% of your qualified business income! This is HUGE and many people miss it. So if your net business income after expenses is $98,000, you might be able to deduct another $19,600 from your taxable income. This is on top of your solo 401(k) contributions and business expenses. The solo 401(k) is definitely your best bet though - the ability to contribute both as employer and employee is a game changer.
But doesn't the QBI deduction phase out at higher income levels? Im not sure OP would qualify with $105k income.
One thing to keep in mind - make sure you're getting the W-9 forms from the ACTUAL property owner, not just the management company. I made this mistake with my pop-up shop and issued 1099s to the wrong entity. Had to amend everything and it was a huge headache. Also, some malls are owned by REITs (Real Estate Investment Trusts) which have different tax reporting requirements. Definitely worth asking specifically about this when you collect their info.
Thanks for bringing this up - good point! How do I verify I'm getting the W-9 from the actual property owner? The lease agreement I sign is always with the mall management company.
The lease agreement can be tricky because sometimes the management company is authorized to sign on behalf of the property owner. You should specifically ask "Who is the legal owner of this property that will be reporting the rental income for tax purposes?" That question usually clarifies things. The W-9 itself will also tell you - look at the name and tax ID. If it's a different entity than what's on your lease, ask for clarification. Sometimes the management company will provide a letter explaining the relationship between the entities if they're affiliated.
Has anyone dealt with situations where different mall locations are owned by the same parent company? I'm wondering if I add up all the rental payments to different locations owned by the same company when determining if I've hit the $600 threshold?
Yes, you would aggregate payments to the same legal entity. So if Mall A and Mall B are both owned by XYZ Properties Inc., you'd add up all payments to XYZ when determining if you've exceeded $600. That's why getting those W-9s is so important - to identify when different locations have the same ultimate payee.
That makes sense, thanks for the clarification! Guess I need to start tracking these payments by parent company instead of just by location.
Don't overthink this! I was in your exact situation (4 years unfiled) and just bit the bullet and used a CPA. Cost me $350 per year but was TOTALLY worth it. Found out I was due nearly $6800 in refunds across all years. The peace of mind knowing a professional handled everything correctly was priceless. Plus they can e-file the most recent 2 years which means faster refunds. Just make sure you find someone BEFORE the April deadline or they'll all be too busy with current year returns.
Did you have any issues with penalties even though you were owed refunds? And how long did the whole process take from when you first contacted the CPA to getting everything resolved?
No penalties at all since I was due refunds! That's the good news about being owed money - the IRS doesn't penalize you for filing late when they owe YOU. They only charge penalties and interest when YOU owe THEM. The process took about 3 weeks total. First meeting was dropping off all my documents (W-2s, 1099s, etc.). About 10 days later they had all the returns prepared for me to review and sign. Filed electronically for the two most recent years, paper filed the older ones. Got my electronic refunds about 3 weeks after filing, and the paper filed ones took about 4 months. The whole thing was way less painful than the years I spent worrying about it!
Just an FYI - if you're using someone to help file back taxes, be careful about those "tax resolution" places with the big ads on radio/TV. I got quoted $3500 for basically the same service a local CPA did for $800. Those national chains are ripoffs for simple unfiled return situations like yours.
This is so true! Those places prey on fear with their scary commercials about IRS collections. A regular tax preparer or CPA is totally sufficient for unfiled returns when you have all your documents.
Fiona Gallagher
One practical tip that helped me with tax anxiety: tackle it in 15-minute chunks. I set a timer and forced myself to work on tax stuff for JUST 15 minutes, then take a break if I felt overwhelmed. Sometimes I could keep going after the timer went off, other times I needed to stop, but either way I was making progress. Also, create a separate email folder for all tax-related communication and keep all your tax documents in one physical folder. Half my stress came from feeling disorganized and afraid I'd lose important papers. Finally, calculate your proper withholding for next year using the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator. This prevents future surprises. You can adjust your W-4 with your employer to have more taken out each paycheck.
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Thais Soares
ā¢This is brilliant advice about the 15-minute chunks. I've been completely avoiding my tax situation because it feels too overwhelming. Breaking it down like this might actually help me start tackling it. Do you think it's better to start with organizing documents first or jumping straight into the payment plan applications?
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Fiona Gallagher
ā¢I definitely recommend starting with organizing your documents first. Gather everything you have - tax returns, notices from the IRS, pay stubs, bank statements, bills, etc. Just having everything in one place reduces the mental load significantly. Once you have your documents organized, then use a 15-minute session to read through any notices carefully and make notes about what you need to do next. This makes the payment plan application process much smoother because you'll have all the information readily available when filling out forms or talking to representatives.
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Nalani Liu
One thing that helped me with the physical symptoms of tax anxiety was establishing a specific "tax time" routine. I'd make my favorite tea, put on comfortable clothes, and have a friend on standby for moral support via text. Something about having this little ritual made it feel more manageable. Also, for figuring out that "sweet spot" income level - talk to a free tax preparer at a VITA (Volunteer Income Tax Assistance) site. They helped me understand my tax bracket thresholds and how much I should set aside from each paycheck. Makes a huge difference in avoiding future surprises.
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Axel Bourke
ā¢The tea ritual sounds helpful but where do you find these VITA people? Are they only available during tax season or can you talk to them year-round for planning purposes?
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