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Understanding Roth 401k 1099-R Distribution Codes 8B and BP - Do I need to amend my return?

I received a distribution from my Roth 401k in November 2021 that was labeled as an "excess deferral correction" for 2020. What's confusing me is that I didn't exceed the published contribution limits for 2020 (I'm not even close to maxing out), but apparently their plan audit determined I went over some limit I wasn't aware of. I'm in my 40s and definitely not a highly compensated employee. Now I have two different 1099-R forms for 2021 with different distribution codes: First form has distribution code BP: - About $520 gross distribution (Box 1) - $0 taxable amount (Box 2a) - Box 5 (employee contributions) shows same amount as Box 1 - $0 for state distribution (Box 16) - $0 for local distribution (Box 19) Second form has distribution code 8B: - About $630 gross distribution (Box 1) - Taxable amount equals gross distribution (Box 2a) - Box 5 shows $0 - State distribution matches gross amount - $0 for local distribution The paperwork that came with the check mentioned that for Roth deferrals, the corrective distributions and allocable income are only taxable in the distribution year. From everything I've read online, I believe I don't need to amend my 2020 return since this was Roth 401k money, and I already paid tax on the BP-coded amount in 2020. But now TurboTax is ignoring the "$0 taxable amount" on the BP-coded 1099-R and adding it to my taxable income for 2021. It's also suggesting I might need to amend my 2020 return. Am I right that my 2020 tax return doesn't need amending? And can I somehow exclude the BP-coded 1099-R from my 2021 filing since the taxable amount is clearly marked as $0?

I had a similar situation with my husband's 401k last year. For the BP code, I needed to manually tell TurboTax that the taxable amount was $0. Here's what I did: In TurboTax, after entering the 1099-R information, there should be an option to "Review" the entry. Within that review screen, there's a way to override the taxable amount. I had to dig around a bit, but it was something like "Edit" or "Override" next to the taxable amount field. For your second 1099-R with the 8B code, the earnings should indeed be taxable in 2021, so TurboTax is handling that correctly at least.

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Thank you for the specific TurboTax guidance! I found the override option exactly where you described. After adjusting it, my tax calculation looks much more reasonable now. One more question - did you have to file any additional forms to explain the override, or did TurboTax handle that automatically?

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TurboTax handled the override automatically without requiring additional forms. The software does add a note to your return that explains the override, which is actually helpful in case of an audit. Just make sure to keep copies of both 1099-Rs and any documentation that came with the distribution explaining the excess contribution correction. That paperwork is your proof if the IRS ever questions the override.

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The people saying you don't need to amend your 2020 return are correct. For Roth 401k excess contributions, the correction is handled in the distribution year (2021). For anyone else dealing with this: distribution codes are crucial for understanding tax treatment: - BP = Roth contribution being returned (not taxable) - 8B = Earnings on those excess contributions (taxable) If your tax software doesn't handle this correctly, switch software! I've found FreeTaxUSA handles these retirement distribution codes much better than TurboTax for complex situations.

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Does FreeTaxUSA handle state returns well too? I've been considering switching from TurboTax due to their constant price increases.

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Yes, FreeTaxUSA handles state returns quite well! They charge a small fee for state filing (much less than TurboTax), but federal filing is completely free regardless of complexity. I switched three years ago and haven't looked back. For retirement distribution issues like this, their interface explicitly asks about each distribution code and automatically applies the correct tax treatment. For something like a BP code, it immediately marks it as non-taxable without requiring manual overrides.

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Going from W2 to 1099 contractor - Can I offset tax burden with solo 401(k) contributions?

So my employer just informed me they're converting me from W2 to 1099 status. No benefits change since I don't get any to begin with - it's just affecting my tax situation. My annual pay is $105,000. I understand that as a 1099 contractor I'll be responsible for the full Social Security and Medicare taxes, instead of splitting it with my employer like I did as a W2 employee. Are there other taxes I need to worry about too? I might be able to deduct some business expenses, but honestly it won't amount to much. I was thinking maybe I could contribute to a solo 401(k) to help offset the increased tax burden. I've been messing around with some online tax calculators to figure this out. Looks like if I put $105,000 as my W2 salary, I'd owe about $13,400 in taxes. But as a 1099 contractor with the same income, it jumps to around $23,500. I don't get why it's not exactly double the self-employment tax portion, but whatever. From what I can tell, to take home the same amount as I did as a W2 employee, I'd need to effectively reduce my taxable income to like $65,000. That seems really hard to do. So I'm wondering - if I had business expenses of maybe $7,000 and then contributed like $60,000 to a solo 401(k), would that get me close to even? Is it even possible to contribute that much to a solo 401(k)? This whole situation feels overwhelming.

One thing nobody's mentioned yet - since you're becoming a 1099, you'll need to make estimated quarterly tax payments. This was the biggest shock to me when I switched to contracting. You'll need to pay taxes four times a year (Apr 15, Jun 15, Sep 15, Jan 15) instead of having them withheld from each paycheck. If you don't, you could face underpayment penalties. Given your income level, you should definitely look into an S-Corp election once you've been doing this for a while. At $105k, you could potentially save thousands by taking part of your income as distributions instead of all as self-employment income.

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Can you explain more about the S-Corp thing? I'm in a similar situation to OP and keep hearing about S-Corps but don't really understand the benefit.

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Sure! With an S-Corp, you pay yourself a "reasonable salary" that's subject to self-employment tax (the 15.3% for Social Security and Medicare). Then you can take the rest of your profit as distributions, which aren't subject to self-employment tax. For example, if your business makes $105k, you might pay yourself a salary of $65k (which would be subject to self-employment tax) and take $40k as distributions (which would only be subject to income tax, not self-employment tax). This could save you about $6,120 in self-employment taxes (15.3% of $40k). The key is that your salary must be "reasonable" for your industry and role - you can't just pay yourself $20k and take $85k as distributions. There are also additional costs like increased accounting fees and payroll processing. Generally makes sense once you're earning over $80-100k consistently.

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Don't overlook the QBI deduction (Qualified Business Income) - as a 1099 contractor you can deduct up to 20% of your qualified business income! This is HUGE and many people miss it. So if your net business income after expenses is $98,000, you might be able to deduct another $19,600 from your taxable income. This is on top of your solo 401(k) contributions and business expenses. The solo 401(k) is definitely your best bet though - the ability to contribute both as employer and employee is a game changer.

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But doesn't the QBI deduction phase out at higher income levels? Im not sure OP would qualify with $105k income.

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Filing a tax extension when you know you'll owe - should I just pay the penalties instead?

I'm a Texas resident and really struggling with my tax situation this year. I normally use one of those tax places in the mall, but last year they charged me almost $400 just to file because I had some investment documents from Fidelity. I'm about to start a 4-month contract on an offshore oil rig next week, and I'm seriously strapped for cash right now. I know I'll owe taxes since I sold some stocks and took an early distribution from my 401k to pay for some certification courses (to qualify for this offshore position). When I return from the rig in late August, I'll be in a much better financial position. Dropping $80 on tax prep today would be really painful, but paying $1300 when I get back wouldn't be a big deal. So I'm trying to figure out: 1- What's the simplest way to file an extension when I know I'll owe the IRS at least $1300? I've seen something about making a partial payment, but realistically I won't be able to pay the full amount until September. 2- How severe are the penalties for filing and/or paying late? If they're not too bad, I might just accept the penalties and pay everything when I get my check from the oil company. For reference, I have my W2 from my previous job, a consolidated 1099 from Fidelity, and a 1099-R from my 401k distribution. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

One option nobody's mentioned is free tax filing through the IRS Free File program. If your income is under $73,000, you can use brand-name tax software for free through IRS.gov. Even if you make more than that, you can use Free File Fillable Forms. I've used this for years with investment income (1099s) and it works great. You could file the extension now for free AND possibly do your full return for free when you get back.

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Really? I thought Free File was only for super simple returns. Can it handle things like stock sales and early retirement distributions? I'm not confident in doing all those calculations myself.

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Free File through partner companies (like TurboTax, H&R Block, etc.) can absolutely handle stock sales and retirement distributions if you qualify by income. The software is the same as their paid versions, just offered free through the IRS partnership. If you use Free File Fillable Forms (the direct IRS option), it's basically just electronic versions of paper forms with basic calculations. That option requires more tax knowledge since you need to know which forms to fill out, but it's still free and available to everyone regardless of income. For your situation, I'd recommend using one of the Free File partner software options to file your extension now. Then when you return, you can use the same service to complete your full return with all your investment documents. Much better than paying hundreds to a storefront preparer!

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I work seasonally on fishing boats in Alaska and deal with this every year. My advice: DEFINITELY file the extension. I made the mistake of not filing once and the failure-to-file penalty was brutal compared to just the failure-to-pay. When you get back from your contract and have cash, call the IRS and set up a payment plan if needed. They're actually pretty reasonable to work with if you're proactive and honest about your situation.

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I second this. The IRS is much more accommodating than people expect when you're upfront about your situation. I've been on payment plans twice and it was simple to set up. The interest rates are usually better than credit cards too.

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Tax Implications for Pop Up Retail Store Business - Do I Issue 1099-MISC for Mall Rental Payments?

I've recently started a pop up retail business where I rent spaces in different shopping malls for short periods - usually 2-4 weeks at a time. I've been doing pretty well with it (selling handmade jewelry and accessories), but now I'm confused about the tax reporting requirements. I'm paying anywhere from $800-$2500 per location depending on the mall and time of year. If I pay more than $600 to a specific mall location during the year, am I required to issue a 1099-MISC to that mall for the rent payments? I'm pretty sure I need to, but wanted to double check before I start gathering all the tax info from these malls. Some of the mall management companies seem annoyed when I ask about tax forms. This is my first year doing this business and I want to make sure I'm handling everything correctly for next year's taxes. Thanks in advance for any help!

One thing to keep in mind - make sure you're getting the W-9 forms from the ACTUAL property owner, not just the management company. I made this mistake with my pop-up shop and issued 1099s to the wrong entity. Had to amend everything and it was a huge headache. Also, some malls are owned by REITs (Real Estate Investment Trusts) which have different tax reporting requirements. Definitely worth asking specifically about this when you collect their info.

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Thanks for bringing this up - good point! How do I verify I'm getting the W-9 from the actual property owner? The lease agreement I sign is always with the mall management company.

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The lease agreement can be tricky because sometimes the management company is authorized to sign on behalf of the property owner. You should specifically ask "Who is the legal owner of this property that will be reporting the rental income for tax purposes?" That question usually clarifies things. The W-9 itself will also tell you - look at the name and tax ID. If it's a different entity than what's on your lease, ask for clarification. Sometimes the management company will provide a letter explaining the relationship between the entities if they're affiliated.

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Has anyone dealt with situations where different mall locations are owned by the same parent company? I'm wondering if I add up all the rental payments to different locations owned by the same company when determining if I've hit the $600 threshold?

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Yes, you would aggregate payments to the same legal entity. So if Mall A and Mall B are both owned by XYZ Properties Inc., you'd add up all payments to XYZ when determining if you've exceeded $600. That's why getting those W-9s is so important - to identify when different locations have the same ultimate payee.

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That makes sense, thanks for the clarification! Guess I need to start tracking these payments by parent company instead of just by location.

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Can I claim Tax Loss on First Republic Bank shares held in ROTH IRA?

So I'm trying to figure out this whole tax situation after the First Republic Bank collapse. I had about $15,000 in First Republic Bank shares that completely tanked when they went under earlier this year. The problem is all these shares were in my Roth IRA account that I've had for about 7 years. I keep hearing mixed information about whether I can claim this as a tax loss or not. My brother-in-law (who thinks he knows everything about taxes) says I definitely can't claim losses in retirement accounts, but my coworker swears his accountant let him write off similar losses last year. I really need to know for sure before I file my taxes next year. Has anyone dealt with investment losses specifically in a Roth IRA? And if I can't claim the loss, is there anything else I can do to offset this huge hit to my retirement savings? Any advice would be super appreciated!

I worked at a bank that got acquired (not First Republic but similar situation) and had some stock in my Roth IRA too. One thing nobody's mentioned - can you roll over your Roth IRA to another provider and possibly get some better investment options to help rebuild what you lost? I moved mine to Fidelity and their advisors helped me rebalance with some funds that have performed pretty well since then. Won't fix the tax situation but might help recover some value over time.

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That's actually a really helpful suggestion! I hadn't thought about switching providers, but it makes sense to look for better investment options. Did you have any fees when you moved your Roth IRA to Fidelity? And how long did the whole process take?

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No fees to transfer the Roth IRA to Fidelity - most major brokerages don't charge for incoming transfers. The whole process took about 2 weeks from starting the paperwork to having everything settled in the new account. Fidelity handled most of the transfer work once I filled out their forms. The good part was getting access to their research tools and fund options. I met with one of their advisors (free consultation) who suggested a portfolio mix based on my retirement timeline that's been working well.

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Don't forget that while you can't deduct the ROTH IRA losses, you still have all the contributions you've made available to withdraw at any time without taxes or penalties. That's one of the biggest advantages of a Roth vs traditional IRA. If you really need access to some funds, you can withdraw your contributions (but not earnings) without any tax consequences. Just make sure to check exactly how much you've contributed over the years so you don't accidentally withdraw any earnings.

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This is a really important point! I had a similar situation happen and it's easy to focus on the loss and forget that the money you put in is still accessible if needed.

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