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I'm a retired accountant, and I think it's absolutely reasonable to ask for citations, but there's an important distinction to make: tax professionals should know THE PRINCIPLES behind tax law and where to find citations, rather than having every code section memorized. For example, when a client asks me about the home office deduction, I should know the general rules (exclusive use, regular use, principal place of business) and be able to say "that's covered in Publication 587 and Section 280A of the tax code." I might need to look up the exact citation, but I should know where to point you. What raises red flags is when someone gets defensive or dismissive when asked for support. Good tax pros welcome these questions because they want you to understand and be comfortable with their advice.
That makes sense! So it's not that they need to have the exact code section memorized, but they should be able to tell you generally where to find the information or be willing to look it up for you. Is there a polite way to phrase this kind of request without seeming like I'm challenging their expertise?
I've found the best approach is to frame it as wanting to understand for your own knowledge rather than challenging their expertise. Try saying something like: "This is interesting - could you point me to the IRS publication or tax code section where I could read more about this? I'd like to understand the details better." Most professionals respond well to curiosity. If they still get defensive, that's actually valuable information about whether this is someone you want to work with. A good tax professional should appreciate a client who wants to be informed rather than just taking everything at face value.
Adding to this discussion - I've learned that there's a huge difference between tax preparers and actual tax attorneys when it comes to citations. Tax attorneys literally live and breathe by citations since they often have to defend positions in court or to the IRS. My regular tax preparer at H&R Block couldn't cite anything specific when I asked about some S-corp questions, but when I went to a tax attorney for a second opinion, she immediately pulled up multiple court cases and revenue rulings that addressed my situation. She even emailed me a summary with all the citations afterward.
That's because there's a HUGE difference in qualifications. H&R Block "professionals" often just take a 10-week course. Tax attorneys have law degrees plus specialized tax training. You get what you pay for.
Don't discount CPAs though - many are extremely knowledgeable about tax laws and citations, especially those who specialize in taxation. The real dividing line isn't the credential but whether they focus on compliance (just filling out forms) versus actual tax planning and strategy.
From what I've heard, the filing season opening date is expected to be January 27th, 2025, but that's just based on previous years' patterns. The IRS usually makes the official announcement in early January. One thing to keep in mind - even if you file on the first day, refunds that include Earned Income Tax Credit or Additional Child Tax Credit won't be issued until mid-February due to the PATH Act requirements. So if you're claiming either of those credits, filing super early won't actually get your refund any faster.
Wait seriously? I didn't know about that delay for EITC. Is there any way around it if I really need my refund ASAP?
Unfortunately there's no way around the EITC/ACTC delay - it's mandated by law through the PATH Act to allow the IRS time to verify claims and reduce fraudulent refunds. Even if you file on the first possible day, the IRS is prohibited from issuing refunds containing those credits before mid-February. If you really need funds quickly, you might consider adjusting your W-4 with your employer now to reduce withholding for the rest of the year, which would give you more money in your paychecks immediately rather than waiting for a tax refund. Just be careful not to underwithhold and end up owing when you file.
Something nobody's mentioned yet - if you use tax software, most companies let you pre-file before the IRS officially opens. You can complete your return, and the company holds it and submits it the moment the IRS system opens. That way you're literally in the first batch processed. I did this last year with TurboTax and got my refund on February 8th, which was pretty quick. Just make sure you have ALL your forms before doing this.
Which tax software do you think is best for early filing? I've used H&R Block online in the past but I'm open to trying something different if it'll get my refund faster.
Something else to consider - if you didn't have health insurance for the full year, you might have qualified for an exemption or faced a penalty depending on your state. The federal penalty was eliminated, but some states still have their own mandates. What state are you in? That might affect whether this form matters for your state return.
I'm in Texas. I didn't have insurance for the entire year, and TurboTax didn't mention any penalties when I filed both federal and state. Is there something specific I should look for?
You're good then! Texas doesn't have a state individual mandate for health insurance. Only states like California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Rhode Island, and DC have their own penalties for not having coverage. The federal penalty was reduced to $0 starting in 2019, so there's no federal penalty either. You answered everything correctly in TurboTax, and you're all set to mail your return as planned.
When I file through TurboTax, I never mail anything physically - I always e-file. Is there a reason you're mailing paper forms? E-filing is usually faster for processing and refunds.
Seriously, I haven't mailed tax forms in years. E-filing is so much easier and you get your refund way faster. Plus you get confirmation that the IRS received your return.
I've been using payusatax for years and they consistently don't update their forms until about a week AFTER the official release date. So even if the IRS releases the 2021 stuff on January 15th, don't be surprised if payusatax doesn't have it until the 20th or so. If you're in a rush, you might want to use IRS Direct Pay instead since it updates faster. Just make absolutely sure you select "2021" as the tax year and "1040-ES" as the payment type or it'll get applied to the wrong account.
Do you know if there's any disadvantage to using Direct Pay instead of payusatax? Is one better for record-keeping or anything?
Direct Pay gives you a confirmation number and email receipt just like payusatax does, so the record-keeping is pretty much the same. The main difference is that Direct Pay is completely free while payusatax charges a processing fee. The one downside to Direct Pay is that you can't use a credit card - it has to come directly from your bank account. So if you're trying to get credit card points, you'd need to use payusatax or one of the other third-party processors that accept cards (though they charge an even higher fee for credit card transactions).
Does anybody know if the payment date is considered the date you submit the payment or the date it's processed? I need this payment to count for 2021 Q1 but don't want it accidentally applied to 2020.
The IRS counts the payment date as the day you submit it, not when they process it. So as long as you select "2021" and "1040-ES" when making the payment, you'll be fine. I made this mistake last year - selected the wrong tax year and had to spend hours sorting it out. Double check the tax year selection before submitting!
Thanks for clarifying! That's a relief to know it's based on submission date. I'll definitely double-check the year selection when I submit.
Rhett Bowman
If you want a free alternative, try calling the IRS exactly at 7:00 AM Eastern when they open. That's what worked for me after weeks of failed attempts. Also, the Taxpayer Advocate Service can sometimes help with identity theft cases if you're experiencing financial hardship because of the delayed refund. And definitely check your credit reports at annualcreditreport.com to see if there are other accounts opened in your name. If someone's using your SSN for employment, they might be using it for other things too.
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Edwards Hugo
ā¢I've actually tried calling right when they open multiple times with no luck! Do you know if the Taxpayer Advocate requires proof of hardship? This refund delay is definitely causing me financial problems since I was counting on that money.
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Rhett Bowman
ā¢Yes, the Taxpayer Advocate Service typically requires some documentation of hardship - things like utility disconnection notices, eviction threats, or proof that you can't meet basic living expenses without the refund. If you have any documentation showing financial strain, gather that before contacting them. They've been overwhelmed lately too, but they're often more accessible than the main IRS lines. Their criteria for accepting cases have gotten stricter because of their high case volume, but identity theft cases with hardship are generally prioritized.
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Abigail Patel
Has anyone tried going to their local IRS office in person instead of calling? I had a similar situation last year and was able to get an in-person appointment through the IRS website. Took about 3 weeks to get the appointment but they resolved everything in one visit.
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Daniel White
ā¢I second this! In-person appointments are WAY more effective. I had my identity theft issue resolved in about half the time after visiting my local office. They can verify your identity on the spot and put notes directly in the system. Just make sure to bring multiple forms of ID and copies of all your documentation.
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Edwards Hugo
ā¢That's a great suggestion! I didn't even think about going in person. How did you schedule the appointment? Is there a specific section on the IRS website for that?
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