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Anastasia Ivanova

Clarification on Failure to File Penalty for late 2022 tax return with Schedule C income

I'm hoping someone can help clarify a situation I'm dealing with. I prepared my brother-in-law's 2022 tax return and we're facing some penalty issues. He has a fairly successful side business (reported on Schedule C) that generated about $38,000 in profit, which obviously created a significant tax liability. I told him he should at least pay something with his extension to minimize penalties, but he completely dropped the ball. He didn't file the extension by April 15, 2023, and instead sent it in around June 10, 2023. Now we're trying to figure out exactly what penalties he's facing. From what I understand, there's a Failure to File penalty that gets calculated, but I'm confused about how it works since he did eventually submit the extension, just not by the original deadline. Does the penalty stop accruing once you file the extension even if it's late? Or does it continue until the actual return is filed? Any insights would be greatly appreciated! We're trying to figure out exactly what he owes so he can budget for it.

Sean Murphy

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The Failure to File penalty situation is pretty straightforward but often misunderstood. Here's what your brother-in-law is looking at: The extension only extends the filing deadline, not the payment deadline. The tax was still due April 15, 2023 regardless of extension. Since he missed the original April 15 deadline for filing the extension, he's going to be subject to the Failure to File penalty for the period between April 15 and when he actually filed the extension in June. The Failure to File penalty is calculated at 5% of the unpaid tax per month or part of a month, up to a maximum of 25%. Even a day late counts as a full month for this calculation. So he'll have penalties for April and May (10% total). Once he filed the extension in June, that stopped the Failure to File penalty from continuing to accrue, as long as he files the actual return by the extended deadline (October 15, 2023). If he missed that extended deadline too, then the penalty would start accruing again. He'll also have a separate Failure to Pay penalty of 0.5% per month on the unpaid tax, which continues until the tax is fully paid.

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StarStrider

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Thanks for the explanation. Just to be clear, if he paid some but not all of the tax with the late extension, does the Failure to File penalty apply to the full amount owed or just the unpaid portion? And what about interest? I've heard the IRS charges interest on top of these penalties.

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Sean Murphy

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The Failure to File penalty applies to the unpaid tax amount as of the original due date. So if he made a partial payment with his late extension, the penalty would still be calculated on whatever amount remained unpaid as of April 15. Any payment made with the extension would reduce future Failure to Pay penalties, but wouldn't retroactively reduce the Failure to File penalty. Regarding interest, yes, the IRS charges interest on both the unpaid tax and the penalties. The interest rate is the federal short-term rate plus 3%, and it compounds daily. Currently, that rate is around 7-8%, which adds up quickly. The interest continues until everything is paid in full.

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Zara Malik

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Aisha Rahman

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Mateo Perez

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Ethan Brown

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Just a pro tip on the Failure to File penalty - if your brother-in-law has a clean tax history for the past 3 years (filed and paid on time), he might qualify for First Time Penalty Abatement. The IRS doesn't advertise this much, but it's an administrative waiver they can grant. I had a similar situation in 2020 where I completely missed the filing deadline because of some family emergencies. Called the IRS, explained my situation, mentioned I had a clean record for the previous years, and they removed about $1,200 in penalties on the spot. Definitely worth asking about!

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Yuki Yamamoto

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Does this work if you were late two years in a row? I was late filing in 2021 and 2022, but was always on time before that.

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Ethan Brown

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Unfortunately, it probably won't work for consecutive years. First Time Penalty Abatement typically requires a clean compliance history for the three tax years prior to the year you're requesting abatement for. Since you were late in 2021, you likely wouldn't qualify for abatement of the 2022 penalties. However, you might have qualified for abatement of the 2021 penalties if you were compliant for 2018-2020. If you haven't already requested that, it might be worth exploring. For 2022, you'd need to look at other grounds for abatement like reasonable cause (serious illness, natural disaster, etc.) rather than the first-time administrative waiver.

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Carmen Ortiz

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One important clarification - the Failure to File penalty is calculated as 5% per month of the UNPAID tax. If he paid most of what he owed and only had a small balance due, the penalties would be much smaller than if he paid nothing. For example, if he owed $10,000 but paid $9,000 with his late extension, the 5% penalty would only apply to the remaining $1,000 (so $50 per month rather than $500 per month if he paid nothing).

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Thank you!! This makes a huge difference for my situation - I've been panicking about potentially owing thousands in penalties, but I did pay about 80% of my taxes on time, just filed late. This means my penalties should be WAY lower than I was calculating.

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