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Andre Lefebvre

Will I be charged late fees if I request extension and owe federal taxes in 2025?

I'm trying to figure out a messy situation and hoping someone can help. I think I might need to file for an extension this year because my previous employer is being super slow about sending my 2024 W-2. They keep saying "it's coming" but it's already mid-March! Last year I got hit with a $950 tax bill because I completely messed up the Multiple Jobs worksheet on my 2023 return. Basically no federal taxes were taken from my weekend job in 2023. I've since fixed this by increasing my withholding throughout 2024, but honestly, I'm terrible with numbers and I'm worried I might still end up owing something. My big question is: will the IRS charge me penalty fees if I have to file an extension because I'm waiting on this W-2, especially if I end up owing federal taxes? And if they do charge penalties, can I fight those charges since it's not my fault my employer is dragging their feet on sending my tax document?

Zoe Dimitriou

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Extensions give you more time to file your return, but they don't give you more time to pay what you owe. If you think you'll owe taxes, you should make an estimated payment by the regular April 15 deadline to avoid penalties and interest. You can make an estimated payment even without having your W-2. Look at your final paystub from that employer - it usually shows year-to-date tax info that can help you make a reasonable estimate. The IRS will charge penalties based on any unpaid amount after the filing deadline, regardless of why you couldn't file on time. Also, if your employer hasn't provided your W-2, and it's past January 31, you can contact the IRS at 800-829-1040 for help. They can reach out to the employer and also provide you with a Form 4852 (substitute W-2) that you can use to file your return.

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QuantumQuest

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But how do you estimate what you owe if you don't have the W-2? My situation is similar and I have no idea what numbers to use. My last paystub doesn't seem to match what was on my W-2 last year so I'm worried about guessing wrong.

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Zoe Dimitriou

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Your last paystub of the year typically shows the year-to-date totals for all tax withholdings, which are usually very close to what will appear on your W-2. Compare boxes like federal income tax withheld, Social Security, and Medicare. There might be small differences due to taxable benefits, but it's usually close enough to make a reasonable estimate. If your paystubs are significantly different from your W-2s in the past, you can also look at last year's tax return and your current year's income to estimate any potential increase or decrease in tax liability. The goal is to make a good faith payment to minimize penalties, even if it's not exact.

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Liam McGuire

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NeonNomad

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Extension or not, you HAVE to pay what you estimate you owe by the original deadline or you'll get hit with penalties! The extension only gives you more time to file the paperwork, not more time to pay. I learned this the hard way last year and got charged penalties AND interest on what I owed. Don't make my mistake!

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So even if I explain to the IRS that I couldn't file accurately because my employer hasn't given me my W-2, they'll still charge penalties if I end up owing?

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Exactly. The IRS doesn't care why you couldn't pay on time - they only care that you didn't pay by April 15. Your issue with your employer is separate from your obligation to pay taxes on time. That's why you need to make your best estimate and pay that amount by the deadline. Think of it this way: the IRS considers your taxes due as you earn income throughout the year. The April 15 deadline is already a grace period to finalize everything. So waiting on documents doesn't extend your obligation to pay what you already owe.

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Has anyone actually had success disputing penalties due to employer W-2 delays? My HR departmentt is a complete disaster this year and I'm in the same boat.

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I went through this in 2023 and couldn't get the penalties removed despite documenting all my attempts to get my W-2 from my ex-employer. The IRS agent told me it's my responsibility to estimate and pay on time regardless of having the final documents. It really sucks but that's how they enforce it.

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