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I completely forgot to pay quarterly estimated taxes for my new business - help!

So I completely spaced on paying my quarterly estimated taxes this year. I started a new business and honestly thought I wouldn't need to worry about it since everything was just getting off the ground. Then I had this "oh crap" moment when I realized that since I did have some tax liability last year, I should have been making payments all along. I've sat down and crunched all the numbers through the end of the year to figure out what I should owe. My business didn't really start making decent money until around June, so I wasn't super concerned at first. But now I'm wondering if there's even any point in sending in payments now? I think the last quarter's deadline just passed a few days ago. The thing I'm really confused about is the penalties. Are they still adding up until the actual tax filing deadline in April? Or do they stop accruing now that the 2023 tax year is technically over? I tried to work through the 2210 form with the annualized income method since my income was uneven throughout the year, but I think I'm doing something wrong. When I try to do the calculations for columns line by line from 22-27, everything comes out the same. And my penalty calculations don't seem right either. Any advice would be super appreciated! I'm stressing about this!

Omar Zaki

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Missing estimated tax payments happens to a lot of people, especially with new businesses, so don't beat yourself up too much about it. To answer your main question: Yes, there's still a point in making the payment now even though you missed the deadlines. The penalties for underpayment are essentially interest charges on the amount you should have paid by each deadline. These penalties continue to accrue until you actually pay the tax or until the April filing deadline (whichever comes first). So paying now will stop further penalties from accumulating. The IRS calculates the underpayment penalty based on how much you underpaid and for how long. The penalty rate is currently around 8% annually. If your income really did start in June, you might qualify for the annualized income installment method on Form 2210, which can reduce your penalties since it accounts for uneven income throughout the year. The form is tricky - I've seen accountants struggle with it. If you're having trouble with those calculations, it might be worth consulting with a tax professional who can help you minimize the penalties based on your specific situation.

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Chloe Taylor

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Would it help if they just pay the entire estimated amount now instead of trying to figure out what they owed for each quarter? And is there a minimum threshold where the IRS doesn't bother with penalties?

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Omar Zaki

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Paying the entire estimated amount now is definitely better than waiting until April. It will stop additional penalties from accruing. The IRS does have a "safe harbor" where you won't face penalties if you've paid at least 90% of this year's tax liability or 100% of last year's tax liability (110% if your AGI was over $150,000). For the minimum threshold question, the IRS generally won't assess an underpayment penalty if you owe less than $1,000 in tax after subtracting withholdings and credits. So if your total tax bill minus any withholdings is under that amount, you should be in the clear.

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Diego Flores

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Does it actually help with calculating penalties that have already happened? Or is it just for planning future payments? I'm in almost the exact same situation as OP and freaking out about how much I might owe.

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StarStrider

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Nia Davis

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Two quick tips from someone who's been self-employed for 12 years: 1) Pay what you can now to stop the penalty clock from ticking. The IRS penalty is essentially an interest charge, and it keeps accumulating until you pay. 2) For 2025, consider making small "good faith" payments each quarter even if you're not sure of the exact amount. The IRS looks more favorably on people who make an effort to comply, even if the amounts aren't perfect.

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Mateo Perez

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Does making those "good faith" payments actually work though? Like, do they really care about the effort or do they just calculate the penalties strictly by the numbers?

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Nia Davis

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In my experience, making good faith payments absolutely helps. While the penalties are calculated mathematically, having a history of attempting to comply can help if you ever need to request penalty abatement. The IRS has a First Time Penalty Abatement policy that's easier to qualify for if you show a pattern of trying to comply. The other practical benefit is psychological - making regular smaller payments is much less painful than facing a huge tax bill plus penalties all at once. Even if you underpay somewhat each quarter, you're still reducing the base amount that penalties are calculated on, which saves money in the long run.

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Aisha Rahman

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Has anyone used TurboTax to handle this situation? I'm in the same boat (missed estimated payments for my side business) and wondering if the software can help with the 2210 calculations or if I need to go to a professional.

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TurboTax Self-Employed can handle Form 2210, but it's not great at explaining the annualized income method. I used it last year and still ended up confused about whether I was doing it right. If your situation is straightforward it might be fine, but with variable income throughout the year, I'd recommend getting some help.

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