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Another option worth considering is donating the stock to charity if it's not worth much to you. This way you: 1) Get rid of the annual 1099-DIV 2) May get a tax deduction for the charitable contribution 3) Avoid capital gains tax completely 4) Help a cause you care about Most established charities have simple processes for accepting stock donations. Just call them and they'll walk you through it!
Would this work even if the stock is only worth like $200? Seems like a lot of hassle for the charity for such a small amount. And how do you claim the deduction - is it complicated to do on your taxes?
Yes, it works even for smaller amounts! Many charities are set up to handle stock donations of all sizes. While some very small local organizations might not have the infrastructure, most medium to large charities definitely do. For claiming the deduction, it's straightforward if you itemize deductions on Schedule A. You'll get a receipt from the charity showing the donation value (usually the market value on the transfer date). If the stock is worth more than $500, you'll also need to fill out Form 8283, but the form isn't particularly complicated. For very small donations, make sure the tax benefit of itemizing would exceed the standard deduction, otherwise there's no additional tax advantage.
I went through this last year! Found out my shares were with Computershare (they handle a lot of these direct stock plans). I called them, verified my identity, and just told them I wanted to sell. They sent me a form, I signed it and sent it back, and got a check about 2 weeks later. Easy peasy. Just make sure to keep the statement showing how much you sold it for - you'll need that for next year's taxes. But trust me, dealing with a one-time sale is WAY simpler than getting those 1099-DIVs every year for tiny amounts.
Just FYI - 849 is not actually an IRS transaction code that appears on transcripts. The standard IRS transaction codes run from 000-899 but there is no 849. The common refund-related codes are: - 570: Additional account action pending - 571: Resolved account action - 846: Refund issued - 420: Examination/audit indicator - 971: Notice issued You might be looking at a different number, maybe on the WMR tool rather than your actual transcript. I'd recommend downloading your actual account transcript from the IRS website to see what's really happening.
Omg you're right! I just double-checked my transcript and it's actually a 769 code, not 849. I totally misread it. Now I'm even more confused what that means. Is that better or worse than what I thought?
A 769 code typically indicates an earned income credit (EIC) claim on your return. This is just informational and shows the IRS has processed that part of your return. It's neither better nor worse than what you thought - it's just tracking different aspects of your return processing. What you should be looking for is either a 570 code (which would indicate a temporary hold) or an 846 code (which means your refund has been approved and issued). The 769 by itself just acknowledges your EIC claim was received and being processed. If you don't see a 570, that's actually good news - it means there's no specific hold on your account.
Has anyone tried calling the Tax Advocate Service instead of the regular IRS number? I had a similar issue last year with a delayed refund and they were able to help me figure out what was happening when the regular IRS agents couldn't. Their number is 1-877-777-4778.
For your S-corp situation, don't forget you might still be able to set up and fund a SEP IRA for 2022 if you didn't already max out other retirement contributions. The deadline for SEP IRA creation and funding is your tax filing deadline including extensions, so you should still have time. You could contribute up to 25% of your net self-employment income (with some calculation adjustments) or $61,000 for 2022, whichever is less. Might be worth looking into if you have the cash flow and want to reduce your 2022 tax bill!
That's really helpful! Do you know if I can have both a Solo 401k and a SEP IRA for the same business? And does the contribution limit apply across both plans or separately?
You can have both types of plans, but the contribution limits overlap - they're not separate. The total combined employer contributions across all defined contribution plans (401k, SEP IRA, etc.) can't exceed the annual limit ($61,000 for 2022 or $67,500 if you're eligible for catch-up contributions). If you've already made employer contributions to your Solo 401k for 2022, you'd need to subtract those from the maximum SEP IRA contribution you could make. It gets complicated quickly, which is why having a tax pro run the numbers is usually worth it. The key advantage is that you can still set up and fund a SEP IRA now for 2022, whereas the Solo 401k needed to be established by Dec 31, 2022.
Has anyone switched from an S-corp to a C-corp for better retirement options? My accountant suggested I might be better off switching my entity type next year.
I did this last year. C-corps have some advantages for retirement planning (like the ability to create defined benefit plans with much higher contribution limits), but the tax situation gets WAY more complicated. You're looking at potential double taxation issues that can offset the retirement benefits.
Just to add another perspective - you might want to consider whether you actually WANT to withhold exactly the right amount. My spouse and I are in a similar income bracket (about $800k combined) and we actually prefer to slightly underwithhold and make quarterly estimated tax payments instead. The advantage is we keep control of that money throughout the year rather than giving the government an interest-free loan. We put the money that would have been withheld into a high-yield account, and then make the required quarterly payments to avoid penalties. As long as you pay in at least 100% of your previous year's tax liability through withholding and estimated payments (or 110% if your AGI was over $150k), you won't face any underpayment penalties.
That's an interesting approach I hadn't considered! About how much do you typically underwithhold? And do you just make equal quarterly payments, or is there some calculation involved? I'm intrigued by the idea of having more control over our money throughout the year.
We typically underwithhold by about 15% of our total expected tax liability. For someone in your situation, that might mean underwithholding by around $30,000 total for the year, or $2,500 monthly that stays in your accounts instead of going to the IRS. The quarterly payments don't have to be equal if your income fluctuates, but we keep it simple and just divide our expected shortfall by 4. The payment due dates are April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year. You can make them online at the IRS website using Direct Pay or EFTPS. Just make sure you're meeting that safe harbor of 110% of your previous year's tax liability (since you're over the $150k AGI threshold). That's the easiest way to guarantee no penalties regardless of this year's actual liability.
Has anyone used the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator for this situation? I tried using it but felt like I was still guessing at some of the inputs. Our income is close to OP's and we have the same problem every year!
I use it all the time and find it really accurate, but it's crucial that you include ALL income sources, not just your W-2 jobs. Make sure you're entering things like investment income, rental properties, etc. The other key is to update it quarterly since your situation might change throughout the year.
Miguel Castro
Another angle to consider - check if you received any cash in lieu of fractional shares during the conversion. Sometimes during these acquisitions, if the conversion ratio doesn't result in whole shares, you'll get cash for the fractional parts, and THAT portion IS taxable. For example, if the conversion was 1.25 ORCL shares for each CERN share, and you had 10 CERN shares, you'd get 12 ORCL shares plus cash for the 0.5 share. Check your Morgan Stanley statements carefully to see if this might be what the IRS is actually flagging.
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Amara Adebayo
ā¢Good point! I just double-checked my statements and there was actually a small cash payment of $37.42 for a fractional share. But the CP2000 is claiming I owe taxes on the entire value of all converted shares, not just this tiny cash amount. Could this small cash payout be why the entire transaction got flagged?
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Miguel Castro
ā¢Yes, that's exactly what probably happened! The cash-in-lieu payment triggered a report to the IRS, but then the entire transaction got mischaracterized. This is super common. Your response to the CP2000 should acknowledge this small taxable amount (the $37.42) but explain that the remainder of the transaction was a tax-free reorganization. Include your Morgan Stanley statements showing both the share conversion and the small cash payment. The IRS should adjust their proposed assessment to only tax the cash portion, which would be a much smaller amount than what they're currently claiming.
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Zainab Ibrahim
Make sure you keep records of your original cost basis for those CERN shares! Even though the conversion itself isn't taxable, you'll need that information when you eventually sell the ORCL shares. Your basis carries over from the CERN shares. I made this mistake during a similar situation and had a nightmare trying to calculate my gains when I sold years later. Morgan Stanley should have this info, but in my experience, it sometimes gets lost in these conversions.
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Connor O'Neill
ā¢This is such a good point. I went through an acquisition with Exxon back in 2019 and completely lost track of my original basis. Had to pay an accountant $500 to reconstruct everything when I sold some shares last year. Save yourself the headache!
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